The Dark Knight Rises Improving Fight Scenes

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^^^Yeah. Also, how is a person that has half extremely burnt face with one eye that doesn't have a eyelid and Batman surviving a fall from a high rise building realistic???
 
^^^Yeah. Also, how is a person that has half extremely burnt face with one eye that doesn't have a eyelid and Batman surviving a fall from a high rise building realistic???

Two face was tackled off, and flew off the high rise with only his civilian attire.

Batman who had armored, and a helmet like mask, was hanging on a ledge, and lost his grip, The force of impact are way Different from each other.

Also I flew off a high rise with my motorcycle,and landed on another highway I almost died, but my motorcycle armored, and my helmet protected me from my death.

There are people who simply fall down the stairs in their house and died, but I survive my fall.

Life has chances, that could be fair or cruel. So it’s realistic in a way. You never can control the outcome of some things.
 
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I just dont get the reasoning that Nolan wanted to keep reality and NOT show excitement.:huh:

Someone finally explain it to me, The Blowing up of cars, hi tec sonar scenes, and jumping off buildings to enter another and being pulled out by the force of a commercial jet are in no way real so why are you so adamant about fight scenes that are stale in comparison on the ecxcitement meter?

:huh::huh::huh:



It was a military cargo aircraft, probably contractors that Batman hired, and gave them extra for not asking questions. Contractors companies like Black water, and many more. Its call Sky hook, its been done before, I don see why its not realistic from doing out of a building


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system
 
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It was a military cargo aircraft, probably contractors that Bruise hired, and gave them extra for not asking questions. Contractors companies like Black water, and many more. Its call Sky hook, its been done before, I don see why its not realistic from doing out of a building

Thats not what i mean the force of being dragged by a plane of ANY kind from a standing position should break you in half imagine being dragged by a steam train at full speed and times it by at least 50 and you get the kind of forces that are in play.

Its these kind of points which "realism" fans seem to gloss over but they then get protective over crappy fight scenes that are "real"?
 
^^^Yeah. Also, how is a person that has half extremely burnt face with one eye that doesn't have a eyelid and Batman surviving a fall from a high rise building realistic???

Exactly. I have no problems with this stuff really, its part and parcel of the genre, but when fans get protective over fight scenes but dont talk about the far more outlandish stuff in TDK is when i get angry.
 
Piuchén;17137351 said:
I agree with most of your points but I just think Nolan wants to keep his reality vision and not show excitement, I remember a fight from Year One and wasn"t exciting, Batman gets kicked but he defeat the 2 thugs.

Knowing a lot of martial arts makes a better fighter but not invincible and your probably stay with basic moves and you still would get hit.

This is what I call a ridiculous argument.


Nolan is in the ENTERTAINMENT business...period. In fact, his attempt at chopping up the fight scenes in BB was his way of creating excitement...in a different matter of course. Problem is, it pretty much failed for the most part....if nolan didnt care about exictement so much, he wouldve just stuck with the BB fight camera work instead of making the fights more visible like most people wanted
 
Just show Batman fighting criminals with his martial arts stuff like in the comics and tv shows.
 
I thought most of the fighting in TDK was quite clear (as opposed to the fighting in BB)... however, it was too slow. Just speed the footage of the fights up a slight bit and it would be fine if you ask me.
 
I thought most of the fighting in TDK was quite clear (as opposed to the fighting in BB)... however, it was too slow. Just speed the footage of the fights up a slight bit and it would be fine if you ask me.

Yeah but even though all that it was still better then TDK fight scenes.
 
I liked both films fight scenes...I have no idea why or how they could be improved upon.
 
This is what I call a ridiculous argument.


Nolan is in the ENTERTAINMENT business...period. In fact, his attempt at chopping up the fight scenes in BB was his way of creating excitement...in a different matter of course. Problem is, it pretty much failed for the most part....if nolan didnt care about exictement so much, he wouldve just stuck with the BB fight camera work instead of making the fights more visible like most people wanted

His sense of entertainment is unique as with any director, he is doing it his way and won"t change because a fan doesn"t like it, I loved the fights and you don"t but Nolan love this way at the moment of showing the fights and not just in Batman films.

By the way, his style is "magic realism" (similar to 100 Años de Soledad) so don"t be so hard with the 2 Face stuff.
 
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I kind of understand what they ere trying to accomplish in begins. They try to show us how its like being mug by the batman, not having a clue of what’s happing to you, witch is pretty cool in my opinion. How about in the third one we see it thru the thugs first person view. No? It will be a bunch of flashes s , with the sound of bone smash against fists, and then we see the batman scary face. I know it sounds lame, but just try to imagine it, and give me Ur opinion
 
More fight scenes like the one's in BB than in TDK.

Maybe they should add in the "BANG" "BOOM" and "POW" screen flashes back into the mix.
 
I really hated Batman's fighting style in TDK. He was a slow and lumbering brute, not the ninja-like Bats we saw in Begins. If they want to improve upon TDK's fight scenes, there needs to be a combo of speed and agility, as well as power. The fight in the club was a prime example of this. The lighting and camerawork also really complimented the punches and what not. The fight at the party was awful mostly because the Bat-suit looks like **** in the light.
 
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Here are my thoughts:

Keysi is the adequate style for someone like batman, whose purpose is to beat his opponent as fast as possible. Like Ducard said inbegins : "this is not a dance".

Nolan really improve his style. In TDK, he managed to shot and cut the fights with style, and still, we can see every single move. That was great! I'm a hardcore hk action fan, and i don't want to see this kind of fight in a batman movie. But, if you've seen "flashpoint", Donnie Yen use MMA, which is very close to keysi. His style is realistic, brutal and powerful.

He's one of the best, if not the best, choreographer of hong kong, if not the world. I really think he could do smething great. He's the kind of man we need for another batman movie.

But in the same kind of fight we saw in TDK. Batman style was great, the only real flaw is the stuntmen seem to wait to be punched, and also, they fall before being punched. But i don't think we should see more acrobatic fights, lot of kicks. Let Batman doing his best to beat pulp as fast as possible, but make his opponents more aggressive! Apart from this complaint, I still think the fights were weel shot, well cut, and batman style was excellent, and totally appropriate for the character.
 
i want batman to do a flying mother****ing armbar on bane

straight up
 
The real flaw is that they have a ninja doing a Chinese based art in Keysi when he should be doing a Japanese based art in Taijuitsu (ya know, the hand to hand component of the 9 arts that make up ninjutsu).
 
Thats not what i mean the force of being dragged by a plane of ANY kind from a standing position should break you in half imagine being dragged by a steam train at full speed and times it by at least 50 and you get the kind of forces that are in play.

Its these kind of points which "realism" fans seem to gloss over but they then get protective over crappy fight scenes that are "real"?

Dude the Skyhook thing has been done with people before. Do some reserch before you assume anything not realistic.
 
Léo Ho Tep;17269127 said:
Here are my thoughts:

Keysi is the adequate style for someone like batman, whose purpose is to beat his opponent as fast as possible. Like Ducard said inbegins : "this is not a dance".

Nolan really improve his style. In TDK, he managed to shot and cut the fights with style, and still, we can see every single move. That was great! I'm a hardcore hk action fan, and i don't want to see this kind of fight in a batman movie. But, if you've seen "flashpoint", Donnie Yen use MMA, which is very close to keysi. His style is realistic, brutal and powerful.

He's one of the best, if not the best, choreographer of hong kong, if not the world. I really think he could do smething great. He's the kind of man we need for another batman movie.

But in the same kind of fight we saw in TDK. Batman style was great, the only real flaw is the stuntmen seem to wait to be punched, and also, they fall before being punched. But i don't think we should see more acrobatic fights, lot of kicks. Let Batman doing his best to beat pulp as fast as possible, but make his opponents more aggressive! Apart from this complaint, I still think the fights were weel shot, well cut, and batman style was excellent, and totally appropriate for the character.


I agree with that but some flaws help to show some realism, even the greatest fighter out there get some punches and kicks against multiple oponents.
 
Dude the Skyhook thing has been done with people before. Do some research before you assume anything not realistic.

Just to build off of what you started. Skyhook is just the code name, it's actual name is "Fulton surface-to-air recovery system" Developed by Robert Edison Fulton in 1950 and used by the CIA and MI6 for many pickups all over the world up on till 1996.

So it's real, not some movie magic, there have been many a spy and pilot rescued using Fulton's invention. The people who say it's not realistic are the ones who just simply don't know their military history, forgive their ignorance.
 
I thought the entire bar fight scene with Batman going against Maroni's thugs was spot-on genius. Shadows. Flashes. You're defeated.
 
whoever choreographed the fighting in the Blade movies

get that guy/girl, people, whatever

I have yet to see better fighting in a "superhero" flick

I was just about to mention this, Blade fights are one of the best. I think some of the problems with the new Batman movies is they don't let you see enough of the action as opposed the Blade movies they let you really see it with the wider angles. I guess it all depends on the director how they like their shots. Snipes being a real martial artist definitely adds a realness to the movies as well.
 
I was just about to mention this, Blade fights are one of the best. I think some of the problems with the new Batman movies is they don't let you see enough of the action as opposed the Blade movies they let you really see it with the wider angles. I guess it all depends on the director how they like their shots. Snipes being a real martial artist definitely adds a realness to the movies as well.


I loved most of the fights but most of them are not realistic, at least not the way Nolan wants, I mean Wesley is very skilled and he can fight acrobatic with his Capoeira experience or more street style with his Box and Karate but Batman couldn"t do that with a suit.
 
Keysi isn't a martial art. It's a jumble of crap that dudes ripped off from other fighting systems. Martial arts isn't really about combat. It's about achievement. About practicing forms and techniques over and over until you reach some sort of enlightenment. Again if you practice martial arts it's NOT about fighting, it's about personal improvement.

Now to noobs what I wrote will make 0 sense and sound like philosophical mumbo jumbo. But it's the true. You dont really learn how to fight training in karate or TKD. The most effective ways to fight you purposefully dont learn in martial arts (ganging up 2 to 1 on a guy, gouging his eyes, grabbing a dude's hair to smash his face into the ground repeatedly). Martial arts is about conditioning, discipline, and exercise. It's a hobby. Batman is not a martial artist he is a fighter.

Batman is a well trained Ninja and Martial Artist, they should at least show all that training.

The lack of Batarang, Smoke Grenade and hiding in the the shadow stealth attack in TDK reduced the Ninja aspect of Batman which was very present in Batman Begins.

I had the opposite reaction. In TDK, Nolan did a masterful job of illustrating Batman's development. From the first action sequence with the power glove and the glove saw you see how Batman's evolved from the first movie. Putting it bluntly, martial arts takes a lot of work. It takes enormous exertion and enormous expenditure of mental resources to fight even one opponent. It makes sense as Batman gains experience he'd move past such a costly and bulky system to streamline his attack on opponents.

For example, how do you think Batman got to the point of using a power glove? You think it just happened? If you actually got into it, the glove probably has a backstory as intricate as why Batman uses a batarang or has those fins on his guantlets. Nolan doesn't go into 40 minutes of exposition with it the way he does with the ninjas and batman's batarang but be SURE the explanation is just as involved. And why do you think the power glove has that saw attachment? Somewhere in Batman's adventures you can be sure, there's a kickass long car chase with batman hanging on the top of some moving car in traffic that inspired that saw attachment.

You miss the point. The bit in BB about the ninjas is to set up Batman's stealth and theatricality... NOT so you think "BATMAN IS A NINJARRRR." Sure martial arts is one of the tools that Batman has... just like computers, forensics work, etc but this isn't So You Think You Can Dance... where have set pieces where Batman shows off a certain skill for 5 minutes so prove proficiency like some beauty contest. He uses the right tool for the job to do the job as quickly as possible

The point of Batman is that he's smart about which tools to use at what time. You're not going to have Batman karate chop dudes for 10 minutes that's the OPPOSITE of what Batman would do. If he could shoot a net on 10 dudes as the most efficient way to round them up that's what he'd do without 1 karate kick. You might see a martial arts manuever executed to disarm a specific opponent the most efficient way but you're not going to see extended martial arts pieces from Nolan going forward. Every fight is going to be a mix of technology, psychology, intelligence and physical skill... not some karate showcase

In the real world martial arts is just that an "art" not a combat system. Take a look at the Koreans... every combat marine in their corps is the equivalent of a black belt yet are they out there kicking dudes in Iraq? No when it's time to fight they pick up a rifle. The TKD they do is a form of training for fitness, discipline and toughness. Same deal as Batman... he knows martial arts but it's just one tool. It's stupid to think he'll be running around chopping dudes for 10 minutes like on the old TV show
 
You miss the point. The bit in BB about the ninjas is to set up Batman's stealth and theatricality... NOT so you think "BATMAN IS A NINJARRRR." Sure martial arts is one of the tools that Batman has... just like computers, forensics work, etc but this isn't So You Think You Can Dance... where have set pieces where Batman shows off a certain skill for 5 minutes so prove proficiency like some beauty contest. He uses the right tool for the job to do the job as quickly as possible

But he is a ninja.

You talked up a great storm there about the meaning of martial arts, but I think that's what they mean to you, but that does not make it a universal. I've been in Karate (Kyokushin and Seido) since I was 5 (that's 23 years now) and it's very much about fighting for me. I don't deny the self improvement or the spiritual side of it, but that's not the reason Batman trains. He's got a purpose wholly different from self improvement of enlightenment.
 
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