The Dark Knight Rises Improving Fight Scenes

[lgi]

issue is in the dark knight we NEVER got batman training or doing the wooden poll arm blocking techniques as most martial artists. he didnt do any invigorating work out to see how he stays in TOP shape. we just had to believe he was still the **** but in comparison to BB he seemed rusty so IDK

I agree. My biggest complaint about Nolan's Batman is that he doesn't strike me as the World's greatest detective and a supreme martial artist. I'm still a fan of Nolan's interpretation of the character though.

Ok, sure, he can take down a group of thugs, but he looks slow and sluggish in the process. I know there are many intrepatations of his style, some more acrobatic than others, etc etc. But I hate the fact that in the Nolan films, he's tied down to one specific style. Isn't his art supposed to be his own? I always pictured it to be a variation of Jeet Kune Do mixed with some acrobatics and whatnot. I just hope that Bane doesn't just relay on his strength, but on technique.

 

[Lencho01]

I just watched this video on how our eyes move when watching film. It'd be interesting if they tested it on a fight scene or action scene and see what can be done to make improvements...

http://www.slashfilm.com/video-eyes-move-watching-movie/

 

[DaveMoral]

I agree. My biggest complaint about Nolan's Batman is that he doesn't strike me as the World's greatest detective and a supreme martial artist. I'm still a fan of Nolan's interpretation of the character though.

Ok, sure, he can take down a group of thugs, but he looks slow and sluggish in the process. I know there are many intrepatations of his style, some more acrobatic than others, etc etc. But I hate the fact that in the Nolan films, he's tied down to one specific style. Isn't his art supposed to be his own? I always pictured it to be a variation of Jeet Kune Do mixed with some acrobatics and whatnot. I just hope that Bane doesn't just relay on his strength, but on technique.

Keysi is a variation of Jeet Kune Do, mixed with street brawling. The creators of the style were trained by Dan Inosanto.

 

[RustyCage]

Just curious, how many of you guys have read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do?

 

[KRIM]

What of it?

 

[DaveMoral]

Just curious, how many of you guys have read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do?

This guy.

 

[Swagger]

Ok mod how come I was not able to find this thread? The forum was full of closed threads because you guys have this ocd problem and I could not find this one thread.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=353063
Thanks

 

[BatFan88]

i think the fight scenes at BB where great somehow,it had it's own style.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I was watching Blade the other day and aside from some moves that require superpowers i gotta say that i could see Batman move like that. In any case they should definitely hire a better martial arts guy for TDKR. This aspect of the movies seems to be the easiest of the lot since most directors get it right. Nolan just needs to stop hiring Brits for being Brits and get a better guy for the job.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

I was just wondering if anyone had any idea who was the fight arranger this time around, because I would love to see a more vecious form of KFM without making it R rated if you know what I mean.

 

[The_Raganork]

Just curious, how many of you guys have read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do?

I have

 

[Sun_Down]

No matter what Nolan does, or doesn't do, or doesn't do enough of, some people will be unhappy. If Bats fights in a realistic way, the martial arts crowd will cry, "He's not a good enough martial artist!" If Bats fights in a more stylized manner, the realism crowd will cry, "That looks corny!". And so on, and so on.

You people seem to have very specific expectations that can never actually be met. "It must look like this movie!", "It must be this style!", "They need this choreographer!". If you go in with such unrealistic expectations, you're bound to be disappointed.

 

[KRIM]

Why are they unrealistic expectations when much of the requests people have are citing actual scenes from various movies? Evidently it's possible, and there has been precedent for their existence. It's one of the more simpler wishes, really.

 

[Sun_Down]

It's unrealistic to expect TDKR to perfectly emulate some other film's style. It's unrealistic not because these styles cannot be done on screen, but because you're asking a talented movie director (who knows a bit more about this than any of us) to make some random person's dream come true.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

If you read my post I actually never said that I was unhappy with the fighting in BB and TDK. It's just because, I'v seen some demonstrations of KFM in real life and you wouldn't believe some of the moves that just scream Batman. But then again they were pretty violent so I'm not sure they'd be deemed PG13.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

I don't care what fighting style he uses I just want to be able to see it without the closeup fast film cuts.

 

[Jick]

I think the way Batman fights in the Arkham City trailer is the perfect example of how he should fight in the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCtJsy-d9w

He takes punches and kicks, feels it, but he is fast and takes the upper hand. He knows exactly what to do and we can see every detail of what he does. We can see his maestry in combat and his skillful use of gadgets. It's just the perfect way to portray his abilities.

 

[J. Senoah]

I don't really care what martial art is most realistic; it's Batman; it's fantasy. If it uses a less "realistic" martial art, but improves the fight scenes by making them more entertaining, then it's worth it.

And I don't buy this whole "Batman is a shadowy figure, so the fighting should be awkward and hard to follow." That's BS. It works for the one scene in BB when we see Batman picking off thugs from the thug's perspective, but it doesn't work for any of the other fighting, especially when we are supposed to see the fight from Batman's point-of-view. The audience should be able to follow the action. Thankfully, TDK was a HUGE improvement over BB, but the Keysi style isn't nearly as entertaining and brutal to watch as the fighting in the Arkham Asylum game as has been pointed out.

Just curious, how many of you guys have read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do?

I own the book, but I haven't read it in years. It's mostly about using what works and discarding what doesn't, correct?

 

[The Morningstar]

No matter what Nolan does, or doesn't do, or doesn't do enough of, some people will be unhappy. If Bats fights in a realistic way, the martial arts crowd will cry, "He's not a good enough martial artist!" If Bats fights in a more stylized manner, the realism crowd will cry, "That looks corny!". And so on, and so on.

You people seem to have very specific expectations that can never actually be met. "It must look like this movie!", "It must be this style!", "They need this choreographer!". If you go in with such unrealistic expectations, you're bound to be disappointed.

It's nothing to do with expectations being high.

It's to do with the fight choreography just being awful. And the stunt guys overselling worse than WWE wrestlers. Also clearly just standing there waiting for Batman to hit them.

People say the fights in TDK are realistic? No they're not. They are obviously staged. This is due to the stiff, robotic choreography and the appaling stunt men.

The next film needs to really step it up, especially as i imagine Batman and Bane will be having a few confrontations.

 

[JeanVitchier]

The choreography of the fight scenes in the third film need to be improved, in the sense you could not clearly see what going on when Batman was fighting in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

I think they should take influence from Martial Arts movies that are along the lines of Enter the Dragon or even the bar fight in Daredevil.

From the recent videos of Batman fighting in the Batman: Arkham Asylum video game, I got to say that they properly captured and showed his fighting style. Sefton Hill (game directer of Batman: Arkham Asylum) said that the fights were inspired by Martial Arts movies.

The fight sequences in the TDKR will depend a lot on the bat suit that Bale or his stuntman will wear. The production has to somehow design the suit in a way so that Batman can move like a martial artist.

In the previous movies, the suit was really an armor, a high maintenance one at best, at one point he couldn't move his neck. I think Nolan and company are aware of this.

 

[Doctor Who]

Honestly after walking out out of Inception at the midnight showing, I was convinced that Nolan got a handle of making incredible fight sequences; the hallway fight alone is one greatest I've ever seen.

So no doubt in my mind that whatever goods Nolan has for Batman against Bane will be out of this world.

 

[the amazing fro]

The fights in the previous two movies are fine. Not great but not the trash that most people on these boards make them out to be. However for batman vs bane nothing short of amazing will do. It HAS to be epic and fluid and exciting or the movie will really suffer for it. Unlike the other movies where the fighting was sort of subsidiary, the bane vs batman fight is of utmost importance to the story (if they are indeed going down the road of batman being broken).

 

[The Morningstar]

I just hope the fight scenes are great this time.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I just hope the fight scenes are great this time.

I second that notion. The Joker in TDK posed no threat to Batman physically, so I was left unsatisfied in that department... but with Bane, the tables are turned.

I really hope Nolan listened to some of the criticism involving the fight choreography. Abandon KFM, and hire Jeff Imada!

 

[TheBatman072]

I second that notion. The Joker in TDK posed no threat to Batman physically, so I was left unsatisfied in that department... but with Bane, the tables are turned.

I really hope Nolan listened to some of the criticism involving the fight choreography. Abandon KFM, and hire Jeff Imada!

That's...a good thing.

Joker isn't supposed to be a thread to Batman physically.

In a one on one fight, Batman beats Joker every single time.

It's Joker's unpredictability that caught and catches Batman off guard.