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The Dark Knight In Heath We Trust: A Ledgerbration: The TDK Joker Appreciation Thread - Part 1

Yup. Playing the part, and then then he reveals his true self by unmasking.

I believe that Joker looks at Batman the same. Either choosing to ignore the fact that there would be a person underneath that mask, or there's someone just as ugly as he is underneath that cowl.
 
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The Joker reveal is IMAX is out of focus?

Huh, never would have known that.
 
Anyone ever notice that when Joker's standing on the corner is the only time his hair is slicked back and not frizzy and wild? Literally took me all of these eight years to notice that. :funny:

Ledger's hair in TDK is a subject many scientists have pondered. It goes from not so green to green, to long, to short, to long, to short.
 
He's a devil! I actually love the idea that he is an actual demonic force. Hey, why not?
 
Ledger's hair in TDK is a subject many scientists have pondered. It goes from not so green to green, to long, to short, to long, to short.

Instantly, this made me think of the ending where his hair is the longest of the entire film and practically comes down his back.

The Joker's greatest trick of all in TDK? Controlling the length of his hair. :hoboj:
 
Heath and Margot..

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Harley Quinn never made sense with Ledger's Joker.
 
Harley Quinn never made sense with Ledger's Joker.

I never really got that claim...

He'd only be as disgruntled with her as any other version of Joker with a Harley, and he (albeit unintentionally) had the "sexy movie Joker that fangirls obsess over " thing going on for him before Leto was even thought of for the role, so it's not much of a stretch for him to have a Harley who's totally infatuated with him and his ideals.

Infact, Heath's Joker in particular was all about corrupting people, so I don't see why he wouldn't do that with Harleen.
 
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Agreed. I'd even say Heath's Joker would enjoy having a Harley Quinn. Not in the traditional sense but just having a corrupted person under him that'll follow anything he says without question.

I've never understood why some believe he wouldn't entertain the idea or it wouldn't make sense.
 
Honestly guys, i think Margot's Harley almost makes sense more with Ledger's Joker than Leto. And i think the current Joker/Harley pairing goes well BUT Harley dressed up in the club seemed a bit off compared to the rest of her scenes where she's grittier.

I feel like Leto's joker would have been better off in the fancier direction. Ditch the tattoo's and just wear your suits, Don't be such a mobster freak. Some of his suits are perfect in the movie. And Harley is perfect the way she is throughout most of the film when she's working with the Squad. Nothing fancy at all. Her makeup, clothes, etc reminds me more of Heath's Joker. It's very practical. While Jared looks like a LOT of work is put into the GRILLZ, the slicked back hair, expensive clothes, jewelry, cars, clubs.

Ledger and Robbie, even going by the photos i posted above, seem more like a sick and twisted team. Joker would do nothing but use her in that Nolanverse. And that's what everybody wanted. Not some possible love story that unfolds throughout 2 or 3 movies like this DCEU.

Look at this photo again and tell me that doesn't look like two punk rock nutjob clowns roaming the street with no money, just waiting to cause anarchy..

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Agreed. I'd even say Heath's Joker would enjoy having a Harley Quinn. Not in the traditional sense but just having a corrupted person under him that'll follow anything he says without question.

I've never understood why some believe he wouldn't entertain the idea or it wouldn't make sense.

For me it's because Ledger's Joker was not about the self-aggrandizement that is apart of so many other versions of the character. He didn't have this kind of showman's ego like Hamill's Joker did who was in large part obsessed with his own image and persona, which is why he kept an even more obsessed fan around who would faun after him and be his perpetual punching bag. Ledger's Joker didn't care about himself at all beyond an absolute conviction in his view of humanity and the world. His appearance was disheveled and dirty to reflect his chaotic nature. He was a guy who truly didn't give a damn about anyone or anything, the one exception being Batman himself if only because he was his exact counterweight; the thing that gives his purposelessness a certain context and, in a backwards way, meaning. So no, I don't see that Joker keeping Quinn around. He'd kill her as soon as she exhausted her usefulness.

It's not completely unlike Bale's Batman, who I never thought could work with a traditional Robin iteration. Tonally it just didn't fit.
 
Joker doesn't keep Harley around for vain or showman purposes. He keeps her around because she's useful to him. I assume everyone here has either read Mad Love or seen the animated adaption of it. That very clearly lays out why the Joker messed with Harley's mind and turned her into a love sick psychopath. Because she was useful to him - "Wake up, Harleen. He had you pegged for hired help the minute you walked into Arkham". Which is pretty obvious anyway considering the only times Harley ever registers on Joker's radar is when he needs her for something.

So Ledger's Joker very much could have had a Harley Quinn. Because messing with people's minds and pushing them over the edge for a purpose was right up Ledger's Joker's alley. In fact the scene where Batman is telling Harley the harsh truth about this when he knows the BS personal stories he told her about his abusive father in their therapy sessions sounds just like the tales Ledger's Joker was spinning about how he got his scars.
 
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I always assumed the Joker's fake backstories came from a combination of Mad Love and the multiple choice line from The Killing Joke.

I can see both sides of the argument. I personally feel like Heath's Joker is above having a Harley-type figure around because he feels so absolute and complete by himself. Yes, Heath's Joker could've easily manipulated Harley in the Nolan-verse because that's what he does, but I also feel like love wouldn't be an emotion he would need to exploit. (Not that it'd be out of character if he had done it)
 
He exploited both Batman's and Dent's love of Rachel.
 
I always assumed the Joker's fake backstories came from a combination of Mad Love and the multiple choice line from The Killing Joke.

I can see both sides of the argument. I personally feel like Heath's Joker is above having a Harley-type figure around because he feels so absolute and complete by himself. Yes, Heath's Joker could've easily manipulated Harley in the Nolan-verse because that's what he does, but I also feel like love wouldn't be an emotion he would need to exploit. (Not that it'd be out of character if he had done it)
But does he? To Batman "YOU complete me". Logically, without a Batman, he wouldn't necessarily be looking for someone else to complete him but i can see him looking at a Harleen Quinzel as an opportunity to corrupt somebody else.

He can also feel complete by himself and still use Harley Quinn. Joker doesn't "need" to exploit anything, but he chooses to do it for kicks and giggles and to prove a point.
 
The Dark Knight is a brilliant film in every way, and is WITHOUT QUESTION (in my opinion) the greatest comic book movie of all time. It saddens me when people try to make the claim that its not how batman should be, or that the film itself wasnt faithful to the comics. It goes to show that a lot of those people havent read many batman comics to begin with. The relationship between batman and the joker is rooted in the comics in this film, and theres so many references and nods to the fact that they really are the ying to eachothers yang. with batman not breaking his moral code all while the jokers whole goal is to prove batman is just 1 bad day away from being like the joker himself. Not to mention the fact that the relationship between batman, gordon and harvey Dent is BRILLIANT and takes cues from the long halloween showing harveys fall. an incredible masterpiece, it truly is the greatest comic book film of all time and Nolans Batman trilogy is the greatest comic book movie trilogy of all time!
 
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Joker doesn't keep Harley around for vain or showman purposes. He keeps her around because she's useful to him. I assume everyone here has either read Mad Love or seen the animated adaption of it. That very clearly lays out why the Joker messed with Harley's mind and turned her into a love sick psychopath. Because she was useful to him - "Wake up, Harleen. He had you pegged for hired help the minute you walked into Arkham". Which is pretty obvious anyway considering the only times Harley ever registers on Joker's radar is when he needs her for something.

So Ledger's Joker very much could have had a Harley Quinn. Because messing with people's minds and pushing them over the edge for a purpose was right up Ledger's Joker's alley. In fact the scene where Batman is telling Harley the harsh truth about this when he knows the BS personal stories he told her about his abusive father in their therapy sessions sounds just like the tales Ledger's Joker was spinning about how he got his scars.

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That's purely badass.

On a related note, could you imagine how awesome Heath could've been as a Star Wars villain? Oh man.
 
That's purely badass.

On a related note, could you imagine how awesome Heath could've been as a Star Wars villain? Oh man.

Heath as Anakin in the prequels...would have been a huge upgrade even with the same crappy scripts.
 
It would have ruined his career, or at least for a long time. But of course it would have been an upgrade. Not much though. When you can make Natalie Portman look like the worst actress on the planet, you know the scripts and direction are the s**ts.
 
It would have ruined his career, or at least for a long time. But of course it would have been an upgrade. Not much though. When you can make Natalie Portman look like the worst actress on the planet, you know the scripts and direction are the s**ts.

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It's true though. :oldrazz:
 

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