The Dark Knight In Heath We Trust: A Ledgerbration: The TDK Joker Appreciation Thread

[nathaniel]

Ok...

Here is the original photo, just for comparison.

That Joker pic was an exciting time for me it foretold a Joker a bit more outragous and insane What we got with Ledger was really good but it was a bit of a let down for me, to one note, and not in the least bit insane can anyone here honestly see Ledgers Joker in the movie dressing like this and just goofing around?

No

Thats why i was so dissapointed with it.

I understand it was supposed to be Jokers early appearances but who actually thought the character was interesting then? it wsnt until the 70s that the real evil clown prince of crime we all love was fully formed in all his wacky,creepy,outragous,insane glory.

But Heath was a good talent who died before his time and if his script had given him the more traditionally known Joker i think he would have delivered for me.

 

[Saint]

Rey Mysterio competed at Wrestlemania last night, with his mask modified to look like Ledger's Joker, his hair died green and his face painted. He also wore a purple coat to the ring. This isn't the first time he's dressed as comic book character; in the past he's modeled his ring attire on Spider-Man, Iron Man, the Silver Surver, and the Flash.

 

[StylesClashV1]

Rey Mysterio competed at Wrestlemania last night, with his mask modified to look like Ledger's Joker, his hair died green and his face painted. He also wore a purple coat to the ring. This isn't the first time he's dressed as comic book character; in the past he's modeled his ring attire on Spider-Man, Iron Man, the Silver Surver, and the Flash.

When were Iron Man and Spider-Man? I remember the others and Daredevil vs. Matt Hardy at Mania XIX.

I was there last night. That was a highlight. Got a "why so serious" chant going too.

 

[ChocheTheHero]

 

[Saint]

When were Iron Man and Spider-Man? I remember the others and Daredevil vs. Matt Hardy at Mania XIX.

Marvel has an article on his Marvel-inpsired attire. I actually didn't read it, but it shows the Iron Man attire, so maybe they mention when he wore it: http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4467.WWE~apos~s_Mysterio_Makes_His_Marvel

 

[p4poetic]

Heh, nice.

 

[batman11]

Rey Mysterio competed at Wrestlemania last night, with his mask modified to look like Ledger's Joker, his hair died green and his face painted. He also wore a purple coat to the ring. This isn't the first time he's dressed as comic book character; in the past he's modeled his ring attire on Spider-Man, Iron Man, the Silver Surver, and the Flash.

 

[Bat-Mite]

That Joker pic was an exciting time for me it foretold a Joker a bit more outragous and insane What we got with Ledger was really good but it was a bit of a let down for me, to one note, and not in the least bit insane can anyone here honestly see Ledgers Joker in the movie dressing like this and just goofing around?

No

Thats why i was so dissapointed with it.

Not only did I see him dressing up and goofing around, I saw him one upping that pilot outfit by wearing a nurse's skirt and a tacky wig.

I understand it was supposed to be Jokers early appearances but who actually thought the character was interesting then? it wsnt until the 70s that the real evil clown prince of crime we all love was fully formed in all his wacky,creepy,outragous,insane glory.

The editor of DC comics at the time thought he was interesting then, considering that he was going to be killed off in his first appearance and the ending was quickly changed to have him spared. And the fans obviously thought this was a good decision, because they kept wanting more. He may not be the Joker you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

And all the emphasis you're putting on the more comedic aspects of the character (unsurprisingly) describes Nicholson's Joker. Why imitate what's already been done? Heath himself didn't want to do that because he knew it would be a disaster. He and Nolan were going for something new, and they did the right thing.

 

[Christmas]

That Joker pic was an exciting time for me it foretold a Joker a bit more outragous and insane What we got with Ledger was really good but it was a bit of a let down for me, to one note, and not in the least bit insane can anyone here honestly see Ledgers Joker in the movie dressing like this and just goofing around?

No

Thats why i was so dissapointed with it.

I understand it was supposed to be Jokers early appearances but who actually thought the character was interesting then? it wsnt until the 70s that the real evil clown prince of crime we all love was fully formed in all his wacky,creepy,outragous,insane glory.

But Heath was a good talent who died before his time and if his script had given him the more traditionally known Joker i think he would have delivered for me.

I think him in the nurse's outfit totally makes up for what you are bummed about.
and that flyboy's cap and goggles don't seem at all impossible for heath's joker to put on for one reason or another.

 

[Jokers_Wild]

Awesome. Long Halloween right there.

 

[nathaniel]

Not only did I see him dressing up and goofing around, I saw him one upping that pilot outfit by wearing a nurse's skirt and a tacky wig.The editor of DC comics at the time thought he was interesting then, considering that he was going to be killed off in his first appearance and the ending was quickly changed to have him spared. And the fans obviously thought this was a good decision, because they kept wanting more. He may not be the Joker you like, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

That nurse part was a perfect example of the one tone of Ledgers portrayal Joker was dressed as a nurse but that was it, there was nothing extra to it wanted him swaying like a woman, maybe stop off halfway down the corridor to fix his hair SOMETHING adding ommph to the little touches is what separates these kind of acting portrayals between good and great Baring the amazing entrance with the mob bosses ledgers joker just wasnt that great imo.

And all the emphasis you're putting on the more comedic aspects of the character (unsurprisingly) describes Nicholson's Joker. Why imitate what's already been done? Heath himself didn't want to do that because he knew it would be a disaster. He and Nolan were going for something new, and they did the right thing.

Because it is the JOKER and not a standard psycho who giggles a couple of times its good to have differing interpretations and no one is saying imitate Nicholson,no one can do that, but a large part of Joker is insanity,outragousnous,comedy (to him) and thatricallity thats whats he is about Ledger wasnt insane didnt even think it was all a big joke all he wanted to show is "the dark side of gotham" which was a silly broad sweep excuse to blow things up.

 

[nathaniel]

I think him in the nurse's outfit totally makes up for what you are bummed about.
and that flyboy's cap and goggles don't seem at all impossible for heath's joker to put on for one reason or another.

That nurse part was a perfect example of the one tone of Ledgers portrayal Joker was dressed as a nurse but that was it, there was nothing extra to it wanted him swaying like a woman, maybe stop off halfway down the corridor to fix his hair SOMETHING adding ommph to the little touches is what separates these kind of acting portrayals between good and great Barring the amazing entrance with the mob bosses ledgers joker just wasnt that great imo the lip smacking act gets old fast and just doesnt hold up to repaeted viewings for me.

And you would have never seen ledger goofing around like in the photo the facial expression and imitation of a pilot in a suit was completely against the joker he created he may have dressed in the suit but the goofy expression and stepping out of the one tone he portrayed wouldnt happen (like as the nurse) weather thats good or bad (i think it was bad) is up to you.

 

[nathaniel]

Awesome. Long Halloween right there.

huh We wish we could have got the long halloween Joker.

Thats what im talking about and no one seems to get but at the same time i feel its something people wish was added though they will never say Ledgers Joker never rose above the lip smacking terrorist he wasnt insane, just creepy and intelligent if he was in a different movie with no makeup he would still be the same good performance character the joker is something EXTRA,BETTER then that thats why he so famous for the majority of his existence the most loved interpretation has been the one seen in TLH, killing Joke, Dark Victory Knightfall ect.

 

[titan101]

That Joker pic was an exciting time for me it foretold a Joker a bit more outragous and insane What we got with Ledger was really good but it was a bit of a let down for me, to one note, and not in the least bit insane can anyone here honestly see Ledgers Joker in the movie dressing like this and just goofing around?

No

Thats why i was so dissapointed with it.

I understand it was supposed to be Jokers early appearances but who actually thought the character was interesting then? it wsnt until the 70s that the real evil clown prince of crime we all love was fully formed in all his wacky,creepy,outragous,insane glory.

But Heath was a good talent who died before his time and if his script had given him the more traditionally known Joker i think he would have delivered for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUvBTlWnSUY


watch this and THEN tell me he wasn't all those things you described.

 

[nathaniel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUvBTlWnSUY


watch this and THEN tell me he wasn't all those things you described.

*sigh*

See it was far to one note! after watching 2 scenes with him in it you get the idea what he wil be like for the remainder of the movie he doesnt stray far from the track set in those scenes. there where no emotional highs then lows and everything in between he had no facets to his character it was simply a psycho done well with the name joker stamped on it that elevated it higher then it should have. Mark Hamils Joker is still the benchmark for the character imo it wasnt as dark but it is still seen by most as the definitive portrayal that should tell you all you want to know about the Joker we all secretely want.

Creepy?-Yes he had that
Wacky?-no way it never steered away from a set tone
Insane?-Not once did i think he was insane their was always seemed a cold objective to his actions
Outragous?-Nope again he didnt go out of his set zone dressing up as a nurse was a big dissapointment in that he kept the same tone and characterisation he could have went in there stark naked for all it added to the scene.

 

[HotToyzJoker]

It shoud also be said he won this match in like 21 secs a real feet. I was watching and went nutz wheh I saw he was Joker...

 

[nathaniel]

I have to ask, how many of you have been a Joker fan from the comics and how many of you are fans from the recent movie?.

New fans are always welcome but i do want to know how many remember Dark Victory, Long Halloween, Knightfall, Killing Joke and the numerous other stories of the 70s to the 90s and how many know about the Joker (who doesntt but only vaugely or from the 60s show,B89 and BTAS.

 

[CaptainClown]

i don't think anybody who signs up on here would admit that they are a fan from the recent movies.

 

[HotToyzJoker]

i don't think anybody who signs up on here would admit that they are a fan from the recent movies.

I signed up on here and was a fan of the recent movies... Im spending hundreds of dollars to own the entire Dark knight Hottoys line. That said Ive been fan of Joker since long before The Dark Knight...

 

[laudanum09]

I signed up on here and was a fan of the recent movies... Im spending hundreds of dollars to own the entire Dark knight Hottoys line. That said Ive been fan of Joker since long before The Dark Knight...

I don't really post THAT often, just when I feel like I really want to throw my two cents in, and I joined back in the day for the BB hype. Superhero movies were kind of out of my mind until then.

Speaking of which, I had a dream last night that I watched the Batman 3 (or whatever) premiere at an opening party on a giant rooftop, with the film projected onto a building across the way.

It was severely disappointing for certain reasons, but it still had Ledger returning as the Joker in it. I woke up feeling a mix of relief (since it sucked in my dream) and joy that I saw Ledger as the J-man again, although the only thing he really did in my dream film was beat the crap out of batman. There were also nano-tech doberman pincers, but this is likely due to GIJOE bleeding in somehow...

 

[titan101]

*sigh*

See it was far to one note! after watching 2 scenes with him in it you get the idea what he wil be like for the remainder of the movie he doesnt stray far from the track set in those scenes. there where no emotional highs then lows and everything in between he had no facets to his character it was simply a psycho done well with the name joker stamped on it that elevated it higher then it should have. Mark Hamils Joker is still the benchmark for the character imo it wasnt as dark but it is still seen by most as the definitive portrayal that should tell you all you want to know about the Joker we all secretely want.

Creepy?-Yes he had that
Wacky?-no way it never steered away from a set tone
Insane?-Not once did i think he was insane their was always seemed a cold objective to his actions
Outragous?-Nope again he didnt go out of his set zone dressing up as a nurse was a big dissapointment in that he kept the same tone and characterisation he could have went in there stark naked for all it added to the scene.

he laughed his ass off after being thrown off a ****ing building. how is that NOT insane? and did you not pay attention to , for example , 1:05 - 1:10 or 0:27 - 0:29 ? moments like that are where he truly seems crazy and acting just the way you'd expect a joker to act , infact i'd even say that at those scenes he seemed even crazier and zanier than jack nicholson's potrayal. and if that still won't convince you , just watch this scene :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DjugnceKNk&feature=related

if he isn't completely out of his ****ing mind here , then i don't know what is.

 

[p4poetic]

Some people are just too picky.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I have to ask, how many of you have been a Joker fan from the comics and how many of you are fans from the recent movie?.

New fans are always welcome but i do want to know how many remember Dark Victory, Long Halloween, Knightfall, Killing Joke and the numerous other stories of the 70s to the 90s and how many know about the Joker (who doesntt but only vaugely or from the 60s show,B89 and BTAS.

Don't even start that crap around here.

I think TDK's Joker was, even with its flaws, by far the most accurate live action representation of the Joker, and a damn fine representation of the character, period. And I'm not some bandwagon-jumping Hot Topic fanboy. I've been reading comics all my life, and have read more Joker stories than anyone I know.

I know the Joker. I know him well enough to realize that jokey get-ups (which...as others have illustrated, he had anyway, so there you go) and squirting flowers do not make the Joker.

His personality was as accurately defined as I could've possibly wanted. He was unpredictable. He was fearless, laughing in the face of pain and death. He was scary, capable of quickly silencing a party with just a few ominous gestures. He was twistedly funny, inciting more laughs from me personally than any version I've ever seen. He reveled in chaos. He reveled in tearing people down emotionally and psychologically, basically doing the same number on Dent (this time succeeding) that he tried to do in TKJ on Gordon. And, most importantly, he fancied Batman as essentially his life partner, his straight man with whom he will do the dance of death until the end.

That final element is what put TDK, in general and in terms of The Joker, head and shoulders above Batman. As much as I enjoy and appreciate that film, the Batman/Joker dynamic was broken down to two guys just trying to get rid of one another so they can move on. Batman was just a an annoying hurdle to get past in Joker's quest to...do whatever the heck he was doing. Killing the city and then retiring, I suppose.

 

[Fenrir]

Don't even start that crap around here.

I think TDK's Joker was, even with its flaws, by far the most accurate live action representation of the Joker, and a damn fine representation of the character, period. And I'm not some bandwagon-jumping Hot Topic fanboy. I've been reading comics all my life, and have read more Joker stories than anyone I know.

I know the Joker. I know him well enough to realize that jokey get-ups (which...as others have illustrated, he had anyway, so there you go) and squirting flowers do not make the Joker.

His personality was as accurately defined as I could've possibly wanted. He was unpredictable. He was fearless, laughing in the face of pain and death. He was scary, capable of quickly silencing a party with just a few ominous gestures. He was twistedly funny, inciting more laughs from me personally than any version I've ever seen. He reveled in chaos. He reveled in tearing people down emotionally and psychologically, basically doing the same number on Dent (this time succeeding) that he tried to do in TKJ on Gordon. And, most importantly, he fancied Batman as essentially his life partner, his straight man with whom he will do the dance of death until the end.

That final element is what put TDK, in general and in terms of The Joker, head and shoulders above Batman. As much as I enjoy and appreciate that film, the Batman/Joker dynamic was broken down to two guys just trying to get rid of one another so they can move on. Batman was just a an annoying hurdle to get past in Joker's quest to...do whatever the heck he was doing. Killing the city and then retiring, I suppose.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Don't even start that crap around here.

I think TDK's Joker was, even with its flaws, by far the most accurate live action representation of the Joker, and a damn fine representation of the character, period. And I'm not some bandwagon-jumping Hot Topic fanboy. I've been reading comics all my life, and have read more Joker stories than anyone I know.

I know the Joker. I know him well enough to realize that jokey get-ups (which...as others have illustrated, he had anyway, so there you go) and squirting flowers do not make the Joker.

His personality was as accurately defined as I could've possibly wanted. He was unpredictable. He was fearless, laughing in the face of pain and death. He was scary, capable of quickly silencing a party with just a few ominous gestures. He was twistedly funny, inciting more laughs from me personally than any version I've ever seen. He reveled in chaos. He reveled in tearing people down emotionally and psychologically, basically doing the same number on Dent (this time succeeding) that he tried to do in TKJ on Gordon. And, most importantly, he fancied Batman as essentially his life partner, his straight man with whom he will do the dance of death until the end.

That final element is what put TDK, in general and in terms of The Joker, head and shoulders above Batman. As much as I enjoy and appreciate that film, the Batman/Joker dynamic was broken down to two guys just trying to get rid of one another so they can move on. Batman was just a an annoying hurdle to get past in Joker's quest to...do whatever the heck he was doing. Killing the city and then retiring, I suppose.

QFT. Gotta love it when folks come in here and insinuate that you aren't a real fan just because you like an interpretation of the character that they don't. And this is the same guy that said the original Joker wasn't interesting..! The guy was doing Zodiac killer type stuff when the Zodiac himself was still in diapers. For a comic from the early 1940's, I find that to be damn interesting.

And like you said, TDK's Joker was very funny. The only parts where the people in my theater weren't laughing at him were the prologue, the "why so serious?" scene, and his final appearance.