The Dark Knight In Heath We Trust: A Ledgerbration: The TDK Joker Appreciation Thread

[abcdefz]

Well, when the movie comes out and we can see what we've really got, I'll decide whether to place my bets then.

 

[Crook]

To the above examples mentioned, I haven't seen one comic book performance that deserved to be nominated for an Oscar. Yes, fanboys have been clamoring for them, but that's because they're intensely biased.

If there's any role that would have potential for the Oscar nod, it's most definitely the Joker. It's a role that requires the actor to act over-the-top, and give it an electrifying energy. To me, the only roadblock is the script itself. The performance can be amazing, but if half the dialog are a bunch of corny one-liners, then no, Heath won't have a shot.

 

[Luchastyle]

i gotta agree crook doesn't matter how good the performance is if the script is bad

 

[Anita18]

To the above examples mentioned, I haven't seen one comic book performance that deserved to be nominated for an Oscar. Yes, fanboys have been clamoring for them, but that's because they're intensely biased.

Agreed. I thought V for Vendetta was a pretty good film, but Oscar acting noms? Really?

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'm sure someone here recalls early '05 when Spider-Man 2 did not get nominated for best supporting actor and best adapted screenplay. I think there must have been a riot over on the Spidey boards

 

[CaptainClown]

really SM2? nominated?!

 

[Venom 1988]

I'm sure someone here recalls early '05 when Spider-Man 2 did not get nominated for best supporting actor and best adapted screenplay. I think there must have been a riot over on the Spidey boards

Oh yes indeed lol

 

[Crook]

I'm sure someone here recalls early '05 when Spider-Man 2 did not get nominated for best supporting actor and best adapted screenplay. I think there must have been a riot over on the Spidey boards

Sad to see so many people that deluded.

Until the typical comic book film is able to transcend the genre, I don't think we should be hoping for any type of serious Oscar nominations. Again, this all lies within the script and performance.

There's a reason why A History of Violence has been the only one to get recognition in this genre.

 

[Anita18]

Sad to see so many people that deluded.

Until the typical comic book film is able to transcend[/i] the genre, I don't think we should be hoping for any type of serious Oscar nominations. Again, this all lies within the script and performance.

There's a reason why A History of Violence has been the only one to get recognition in this genre.

Most people didn't know History of Violence was a comic book to begin with. There's still this preconceived notion that comic books = superhero when that's not the case.

It still remains to be seen if TDK will be more than fun typical comic book fare. I'm leaning toward yes, but we won't know until it comes out.

 

[Luchastyle]

road to perdition as well.

i think batman and watchmen are probably the only hero-based movies that would be able transcend. they have a little more depth and seriousness than any other "superhero" book.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'd have to say that's partially why. I don't think History of Violence would have gotten those Academy Award and Golden Globe noms if it had been about superheroes. Or maybe I am simply underestimating things.

 

[Crook]

Most people didn't know History of Violence was a comic book to begin with. There's still this preconceived notion that comic books = superhero when that's not the case.

True. What also helped the film though was everything just seemed very "natural". From the plot to the dialog of the characters. It all felt like it was happening in the moment, and not a means of pushing the movie forward.

There's been many great comic book films, but I feel every single one has suffered from this. They're not always playing it straight.

It still remains to be seen if TDK will be more than fun typical comic book fare. I'm leaning toward yes, but we won't know until it comes out.

It's a summer blockbuster and tentpole film. Highly doubtful it will stray too far from the comic book film stereotype. It may be a bit more serious, but that's as far as I give it.

 

[Mr. Socko]

road to perdition as well.

i think batman and watchmen are probably the only hero-based movies that would be able transcend. they have a little more depth and seriousness than any other "superhero" book.

Oh yeah I was wrong in saying "comic book movies" I was meaning to say 'superhero movies,' as others have pointed out, there are comic book films to have gotten big recognition.

 

[Crook]

road to perdition as well.

i think batman and watchmen are probably the only hero-based movies that would be able transcend. they have a little more depth and seriousness than any other "superhero" book.

Batman absolutely has a shot, but it can't be a film that follows the typical comic book film formula. It just can't. I don't see it happening any time soon either.

As for Watchmen, duuuuuudeee...that's such a huge film for the entire industry. It really is one of the only source materials that could be recognized by the mainstream and finally give us the much needed rep of being more than "kid-friendly".

After reading and seeing what's been done with this film, I think we're in for a humongous treat from Snyder.

 

[Luchastyle]

Batman absolutely has a shot, but it can't be a film that follows the typical comic book film formula. It just can't. I don't see it happening any time soon either.

As for Watchmen, duuuuuudeee...that's such a huge film for the entire industry. It really is one of the only source materials that could be recognized by the mainstream and finally give us the much needed rep of being more than "kid-friendly".

After reading and seeing what's been done with this film, I think we're in for a humongous treat from Snyder.

i think it's possible with TDK because of the dent storyline. it's a little heavier and more real than anything else (if they do it well.) So I could see some acclaimed performances in this flick. Nominations? I don't know. But high acclaim? Definitely.

And yes, Watchmen may end up doing some justice to the source material. We can only hope. Snyder's head appears to be in the right place. Let's just hope he's made the right choices.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I think Watchmen will end up pretty good, but I'm not expecting an industry reshaping event. That would just be setting myself up for disappointment

 

[Luchastyle]

I think Watchmen will end up pretty good, but I'm not expecting an industry reshaping event. That would just be setting myself up for disappointment

it might change the genre. i don't think it will affect the industry as a whole.

 

[Crook]

i think it's possible with TDK because of the dent storyline. it's a little heavier and more real than anything else (if they do it well.) So I could see some acclaimed performances in this flick. Nominations? I don't know. But high acclaim? Definitely.

Possibly. The Dent storyline does amount itself to great potential in terms of writing and performance. But with Batman and Joker in the spotlight, plus Two-Face already appearing by the end of the film...I don't know if it's enough to fully capture Dent's arc in a big way.

I'm sure it'll get acclaim, but would it reach outside the comic book community? Hard to say. I'm not holding my breath though.

I think Watchmen will end up pretty good, but I'm not expecting an industry reshaping event. That would just be setting myself up for disappointment

If he does the book justice, at the very least it would be a huge win for comic book films. It'd set the bar pretty f'n high.

At this point I don't even care if it does big box office numbers, because it's essentially a one-shot. As long as Snyder makes the best film he can make, well then it being a flop won't change it from being made and released for us die-hard fans to see.

Thank god for 300's success.

 

[Luchastyle]

Possibly. The Dent storyline does amount itself to great potential in terms of writing and performance. But with Batman and Joker in the spotlight, plus Two-Face already appearing by the end of the film...I don't know if it's enough to fully capture Dent's arc in a big way.

I'm sure it'll get acclaim, but would it reach outside the comic book community? Hard to say. I'm not holding my breath though.

well putting his arc in two movies won't get you any awards =)

plus joker won't have the spotlight i imagine in the movie. he'll be there. but i think dent will have more screentime and importance. we pretty much see all the joker parts in the trailer, save for the scenes that set up those scenes.

If he does the book justice, at the very least it would be a huge win for comic book films. It'd set the bar pretty f'n high.

At this point I don't even care if it does big box office numbers, because it's essentially a one-shot. As long as Snyder makes the best film he can make, well then it being a flop won't change it from being made and released for us die-hard fans to see.

Thank god for 300's success.

it is a one-shot. not even essentially =) if they did a sequel...

so yeah, if that movie is good it will be a nerd holiday

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Possibly. The Dent storyline does amount itself to great potential in terms of writing and performance. But with Batman and Joker in the spotlight, plus Two-Face already appearing by the end of the film...I don't know if it's enough to fully capture Dent's arc in a big way.

I'm sure it'll get acclaim, but would it reach outside the comic book community? Hard to say. I'm not holding my breath though.

It's a tough one, because it seems Heath's performance as the Joker has already caught on with people outside the comic-book fandom. I think that's due mainly to the fact that the Joker is totally unlike any other character in terms of appearance, character persona and screen-presence. People just know the Joker more than Two-Face, and I think Nicholson's portrayal of the character is partially responsible for that, because that is a very popular screen-performance.

The Joker character, in of itself, is a totally absurd role to play. He's totally inhuman, morally absolute and just catastrophically insane. He's insane on a totally different level to Two-Face, and I think people, even outside the Batman fandom, recognize this.

I mean, just take a look at virtually any ultra-psychotic screen-performance. Alex DeLarge: insane. Jack Torrence: insane. Hannibal Lector: insane. All popular screen-performances, due mainly to the fact that all the characters are vastly insane on a substantially different level. If you can portray an absolute mad-man, then you've basically clocked it.

 

[Luchastyle]

It's a tough one, because it seems Heath's performance as the Joker has already caught on with people outside the comic-book fandom. I think that's due mainly to the fact that the Joker is totally unlike any other character in terms of appearance, character persona and screen-presence. People just know the Joker more than Two-Face, and I think Nicholson's portrayal of the character is partially responsible for that, because that is a very popular screen-performance.

The Joker character, in of itself, is a totally absurd role to play. He's totally inhuman, morally absolute and just catastrophically insane. He's insane on a totally different level to Two-Face, and I think people, even outside the Batman fandom, recognize this.

I mean, just take a look at virtually any ultra-psychotic screen-performance. Alex DeLarge: insane. Jack Torrence: insane. Hannibal Lector: insane. All popular screen-performances, due mainly to the fact that all the characters are vastly insane on a substantially different level. If you can portray an absolute mad-man, then you've basically clocked it.

indeed, this is why people have always thought that if the script is good enough, heath can earn a nod for this role.

but critics don't care about comic book lore. and that's where acclaim for dent will come in. most of them probably don't even know two-face, save for tommy lee jones' performance. so if he is handled with care they will see his tragic downfall and praise it.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Would you stuff that turkey?

Mmmm....turkey.

 

[Anita18]

It's a summer blockbuster and tentpole film. Highly doubtful it will stray too far from the comic book film stereotype. It may be a bit more serious, but that's as far as I give it.

Yeah, that's one of the things that's certainly limiting the film.

If Nolan had the pull to do a Batman film in the intimate neo-noir thriller genre that he's renowned for, it would be a Batman film for the ages. I have no doubt about that. But for DC and WB, Batman has to be a tentpole superhero film.

And yes, Watchmen may end up doing some justice to the source material. We can only hope. Snyder's head appears to be in the right place. Let's just hope he's made the right choices.

Concur.

it is a one-shot. not even essentially =) if they did a sequel...

OMG...don't ever mention the possibility of a Watchmen sequel. EVER.

 

[$klaary]

MTV: How long ago was your incident?
Nicholson: That's got to be three or four years [ago]. I didn't know Mr. Ledger, but the town is very sad on his behalf.
MTV: You'd never met him?
Nicholson: No, I'd never met him. I would have tried to have a fun talk with him about the Joker.


http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1582763/story.jhtml

So sad, this talk will never happen...

 

[Luchastyle]

"i warned him" then doesn't make any sense. but maybe he meant he had spoken about the problems with sleeping pills. but that wasn't necessarily the problem anyway. at least he didn't talk ****. he came across as an ******* before. the only thing i found odd was "the TOWN is very sad on his behalf." he himself isn't particularly saddened i suppose