The Dark Knight In your mind, what IS the origin of this version of the Joker?

[agentzelda]

The average mind can brush these off and blindly go on living their average, pointless life, but the really smart ones start questioning their own actions and place in life and how they relate to the world and vice versa. like becoming lucid while dreaming, only we call it insanity.

There is no way of knowing how people deal with grief. To privilege the reaction of insanity over the reaction of endurance (even if that looks a lot like just carrying on) cannot get inside the heads or hearts of people who have lost opportunities or loved ones, people you probably see every day and think are just great to be around. And who's to say what makes a life blind, pointless or "average"?

I love the Joker as much as anyone but while I think creativity often is a very big part of what we call insanity, there are ways of being creative that don't involve killing people, randomly or purposely.

I hate getting all irritated like that, but think maybe I've spent too much time online over the past few months, and now need to go write.

 

[Freakzter]

I think that I have discovered the true origins of how the Joker got those scars...


ChibiFlix of Deviant Art created a visual representation of the events that occurred:

http://chibiflix.deviantart.com/art/dark-knight-jokers-scars-95629401

that was hilarious XD

 

[Tree27]

I had an idea that he was a pee-on in the mob and tried cheating his boss in some way and got "the mark of the squeeler". Like, oh yeah, you wanna talk big? then we'll give you something bigger to talk out of.

it's also called a Glasgow smile or a Chelsea grin.

theres an actor who came from Glasgow that has servived the brutal cutting.
they slit the sides of your mouth, then beat you until you scream, thus, ripping your mouth into a grin.

Tommy Flanagan, he was in Sin city, Gladiator and Braveheart.

 

[MrWayne]

maybe the scars themselves made Joker... maybe thats what made him snap.. how he got them? who knows? but maybe thats the root of his phyche tho or a big part of it... and he wears make up to cover up how ugly he feels and how ugly and deformed he would look w/o it? he obviously loves bringing up his scar stories, so maybe he's self conscience about em? maybe after he got em he decided to hide his horror with a clown face so "now he see's the bright side, now hes always smiling" lol maybe.. idk just food for thought,,,

 

[nickyg641]

I had an idea that he was a pee-on in the mob and tried cheating his boss in some way and got "the mark of the squeeler". Like, oh yeah, you wanna talk big? then we'll give you something bigger to talk out of.

it's also called a Glasgow smile or a Chelsea grin.

theres an actor who came from Glasgow that has servived the brutal cutting.
they slit the sides of your mouth, then beat you until you scream, thus, ripping your mouth into a grin.

Tommy Flanagan, he was in Sin city, Gladiator and Braveheart.

Yeah, that's how I see it. Ripped off the wrong mob dealer, cheated the wrong thug, called the wrong gangster's wife fat.

 

[agentzelda]

Yeah, that's how I see it. Ripped off the wrong mob dealer, cheated the wrong thug, called the wrong gangster's wife fat.

Or worse, the wrong gangster's mistress.

 

[.Rorschach.]

Normal man until he saw Shumacher's take on the Dark Knight...and the rest is history

 

[TomPiltoff]

I think it does a disservice to the character to boil him down to having a bad childhood. Isn't that a little cliche?

In my mind he's simply nuts, never was normal. And the scars are definitely self inflicted.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I like the idea that in his early criminal life he was a bank robber or stick up guy. He alludes to this in the interrogation. But i think he was always unhinged, Mr Blonde could be a good comparison. A obviously highly intelligent, meticulous planner but when it actually came down to doing the job he would go all crazy and just start blowing hostages and maybe even fellow crooks away. His unpredictable and crazy attitude started to piss off the bosses so they do something about it, maybe they have some of their boys carve him up and leave him for dead. (we don't know if he has multiple stab wounds in the film, but it is possible). These events really get to him, crime is the only job he can do, and being unable to support his family he starts to sink further into madness, lashing out at his wife and brutally beating her on several occasions, eventually killing her. Due to his now deformed look he becomes a recluse, never going out apart from at night to quench his blood-lust. He then decides to take a sort of revenge over his former employers, he starts robbing their safe houses and hijacking drug deals, leaving carnage in his wake, his favourite weapon is obviously his knife. Then when the mysterious "Batman" shows up in Gotham it sorta inspires him to become something more than just a "stick up guy", he dons the clown make-up and takes on the Joker persona and begins his plan to reign terror and anarchy over Gotham.
I think in Nolans world that could be a very realistic take on Joker.

 

[gwynplaine]

God had a favourite angel. The angel got jealous at the love God had for humans, he fell from grace and was castaway into the hades.
And then one day he walked into Gotham.

 

[MrWayne]

^^ Hey i think i heard that story b4... hmmmm...

 

[goh78]

I don't think he needs an origin, and I think to give him one misunderstands what Nolan wanted to do. We don't know sh1t about him, and that's what makes him even more of a monster. Similar to Anton C in No Country for Old Men.

And I hope the post about falafel guy is a joke.

 

[Paradyme]

It's hard to say really because the man is all over the board. I really am starting to believe in that quote that if he had a history he'd rather it be multiple choice. I mean, he probably doesn't even remember. He might or might not have had a wife. He obviously had parents but whether or not they gave him his beautiful smile that's all speculation.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think the biggest clue is when hes being interrogated "go back to ripping off mob dealers?" i know he lies all the time but i don't think he was lying there. also when he phones up Engel " the mob made a little profit and the police tried to shut them down one block at a time, it was soooooo boring". i think both this instances allude to his former proffession.

 

[deathfromabove]

God had a favourite angel. The angel got jealous at the love God had for humans, he fell from grace and was castaway into the hades.
And then one day he walked into Gotham.

i like that.

 

[Ireland's Joker]

Why? How?
Dare we ask, what could drive a man so utterly insane that he would act in such a manner?

'Nuff said.

 

[Tree27]

^that movie makes me wanna cut throats,....and not in the good way eather.

 

[Closerframe]

Someone who had a few screws already loose in his head, who looks at the logic in life. Obviously very intelligent, who one day saw Batman on television and decided to challenge him. So he cuts his face and puts make-up on.

 

[gwynplaine]

i like that.

Thank you.

 

[TomPiltoff]

I think the biggest clue is when hes being interrogated "go back to ripping off mob dealers?"

I think that's a reference to what he did in the beginning of the film.

 

[dru-zod2501]

I think the biggest clue is when hes being interrogated "go back to ripping off mob dealers?" i know he lies all the time but i don't think he was lying there. also when he phones up Engel " the mob made a little profit and the police tried to shut them down one block at a time, it was soooooo boring". i think both this instances allude to his former proffession.

or more likely that all refers to the events in the beginning of the movie, where it all happens just like he says, and we know cause we saw it.

The only clue we really get from the film is the fact that his prints don't show up in the system, which for me rules out the idea of him starting out a small-time gangster no way he's getting by without being pinched at least once.

I'd like to think he might've been like an MIT grad or something in a past life, incredibly brilliant but sociopathic and maladjusted; he lived his old life as a "schemer" and it cost him everything and more and it broke him, and from the blood and pain his madness was unleashed finally unrestrained.

If he was rational he could've been Doctor Doom, but now he's a much greater threat.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but if the "ripping off mob dealers" alluded to just the opening of the movie do you really think he would talk about it as though he is bored of doing that? IMO he has been doing that sorta stuff for a while, i mean how could he find it "soooooo boring" after just ONE job?

 

[CaptainClown]

I was going to write this theory about him being ex-military but felt too lazy. just felt like throwing that out there to maybe spark the thoughts of other people.

 

[agentzelda]

or more likely that all refers to the events in the beginning of the movie, where it all happens just like he says, and we know cause we saw it.

The only clue we really get from the film is the fact that his prints don't show up in the system, which for me rules out the idea of him starting out a small-time gangster no way he's getting by without being pinched at least once.

I'd like to think he might've been like an MIT grad or something in a past life, incredibly brilliant but sociopathic and maladjusted; he lived his old life as a "schemer" and it cost him everything and more and it broke him, and from the blood and pain his madness was unleashed finally unrestrained.

If he was rational he could've been Doctor Doom, but now he's a much greater threat.

The lack of identity in this technological age is interesting: it's conceivable (given the appearance of his teeth) that he might never have been to the dentist, hence no dental records, and while DNA might be used to tie someone arrested for a crime to the crime site, not everyone's DNA is available (in some places, for example, sex offenders might be required to provide a DNA sample). As for fingerprints, babies are "printed" when they're born, but beyond that there's no record unless you are arrested, and it's hard to believe he's never been arrested before. So there's been some "background work" that has removed the records, or, perhaps, he really has been bright enough to avoid arrest.

I do think he's well educated. He mimics a lot of different styles of speech, but can speak articulately and implies a broad base of knowledge, for example in his speech to Batman in the interrogation room.

 

[agentzelda]

Yea but if the "ripping off mob dealers" alluded to just the opening of the movie do you really think he would talk about it as though he is bored of doing that? IMO he has been doing that sorta stuff for a while, i mean how could he find it "soooooo boring" after just ONE job?

He has a short attention span.