Interstellar - Part 7

[redfirebird2008]

There is enough on both sides. I'll judge it when I actually see it.


A mess perhaps to you. I find Inception, like Memento, TDK and the Prestige to be extremely well crafted throughout, and great examples of why Nolan is the biggest name in directing today. But again, if you are simply gonna poopoo his work, no wonder you seem to think you know the qualities and problems of Interstellar without having actually seen it.

He's my favorite current director. Doesn't mean I have to think the dude is perfect. He was at his best on smaller films like Memento and The Prestige. I would like to see him go back to those type of films again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The end in particular seems to be decisive. Which IMO is normally where Nolan excels.

I still remember the complaints about the end of Inception. How dare Nolan not tell us if it is real or not.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I still remember the complaints about the end of Inception. How dare Nolan not tell us if it is real or not.

Inception's ending was brilliant and the vast majority of people who saw it loved that aspect of the film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He's my favorite current director. Doesn't mean I have to think the dude is perfect. He was at his best on smaller films like Memento and The Prestige. I would like to see him go back to those type of films again.

I am not saying he is perfect. There is plenty I laugh and shake my head at in his film, namely his action and exposition dumps. That doesn't mean I am sure about anything when it comes to Interstellar, because I haven't seen it yet.

And what worked in Momento and the Prestige appears in his bigger films. That is why they work so well imo. I want Nolan to make what he wants. No point in him making anything he doesn't want to, as that would bring automatic limitations to the film.

 

[Agent Orange]

I still remember the complaints about the end of Inception. How dare Nolan not tell us if it is real or not.

I think the common denominator with Nolan's work is that it always gets people talking. Whether they love it or they hate it. So many movies nowadays are instantly forgettable as soon as you leave the theatre.

Chris always says that his main goal is to give moviegoers a memorable experience. Mission accomplished (so far).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Inception's ending was brilliant and the vast majority of people who saw it loved that aspect of the film.

Many did. But there was still a strong vocal minority that complained about not knowing. They seemed to have missed the point of the scene.

 

[redfirebird2008]

And what worked in Memento and the Prestige appears in his bigger films. That is why they work so well imo.

Yes and there's some stupid stuff thrown in there too that hurts the bigger films. As I said, the best moments in his big movies tend to be the smaller scale stuff. I admire his ambition to challenge himself with these bigger scale movies, but it would be nice to see him take a break from them at some point.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree with Darth and Jamie that we shouldn't prejudge Interstellar based on it's rotten tomato score. The smart thing to do is make up your own mind.

 

[Black Narcissus]

The film will still end up with a positive score, and make a lot of money. He will also get a bunch of oscar nods.

The end.

 

[BatLobster]

That's what the critic/user rating is for. It's right next to the TomatoMeter.

True, I always forget to look at that, heh.

In other news, I was skimming this review, and thought it was a pretty great excerpt:

Interstellar is by far the best and most comprehensively satisfying big-budget spectacle of the year... and that’s a serious problem. The cosmic margin by which Christopher Nolan’s latest film eclipses its competition forces it to double as an unsettling reminder of how unimpressive such a feat has become. Nolan has made a career of exposing the poverty of our current blockbuster cinema, and not since Inception has a film of this size evinced a narrative ambition on par with that of its scale (with the possible exception of independently financed bomb, Cloud Atlas), but it was never going to be any other way.

If Nolan paints with too broad a brush for the film to function as trenchant sociopolitical commentary, Interstellar is nevertheless a sweeping condemnation of complacency. By virtue of their economics displacement, every blockbuster is a comment on the circumstances of its making, and while Interstellar can only guess at quantum mechanics, it reflects the state of commercial cinema with a scientific accuracy. Interstellar may not take us to new heights, but its reach is nevertheless an urgent reminder that the movies will suffocate if we don’t try to get there. Just because we’re still alive doesn’t mean that we’re not dying. Interstellar illustrates why Nolan’s most ardent fans think that he can take us forward, but it also proves that Nolan can’t do it on his own.

http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/interstellar-28347

And that, in my opinion, is why ambition in and of itself DOES matter and does need to be commended.

Yes and there's some stupid stuff thrown in there too that hurts the bigger films. As I said, the best moments in his big movies tend to be the smaller scale stuff. I admire his ambition to challenge himself with these bigger scale movies, but it would be nice to see him take a break from them at some point.

I do think he will, at some point. Like I said earlier, I'd really love to see him tackle horror. I think I remember an interview with Emma Thomas where she hints that it's something he wants to try some day.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Sadly, there's a bunch of (internet) people salivating at the very notion that Nolan will stumble and fall.

It's been that way ever since The Dark Knight.

 

[JL Unlimited]

I would love to see Nolan finally getting around to filming his Howard Hughes script, which he said was the best script he's ever written.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I would love to see Nolan finally getting around to filming his Howard Hughes script, which he said was the best script he's ever written.

After the success and high profile nature of The Aviator, I'm not sure he'll ever bother with it. If so, it'll probably be another 10+ years down the road.

 

[BatLobster]

Sadly, there's a bunch of (internet) people salivating at the very notion that Nolan will stumble and fall.

It's been that way ever since The Dark Knight.

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes and there's some stupid stuff thrown in there too that hurts the bigger films. As I said, the best moments in his big movies tend to be the smaller scale stuff. I admire his ambition to challenge himself with these bigger scale movies, but it would be nice to see him take a break from them at some point.

What do you been by "stupid stuff" or crappy "Big scale". Because I don't consider stuff like the Joker interrogation, TDK prologue, TDK chase scene etc. "small scale". Heck, the Joker himself is a big idea and I think most would agree he is what works best in TDK. They are big scenes and big ideas come to life.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree with Darth and Jamie that we shouldn't prejudge Interstellar based on it's rotten tomato score. The smart thing to do is make up your own mind.

Its been awhile.

 

[redfirebird2008]

What do you been by "stupid stuff" or crappy "Big scale". Because I don't consider stuff like the Joker interrogation, TDK prologue, TDK chase scene etc. "small scale". Heck, the Joker himself is a big idea and I think most would agree he is what works best in TDK. They are big scenes and big ideas come to life.

In the case of TDK, stupid stuff would include the ferry boats sequence and the SWAT/sonar sequence. There's about a 15 minute span of the third act where it really goes off the rails.

Luckily the last 10 minutes of the film is great and it's smaller scale stuff, Nolan's bread and butter. I would consider the Joker interrogation to be a small scale scene. Just two people talking. That's where Nolan is at his best.

 

[weezerspider]

Scaling his script to an "appropriate" runtime is what hurts TDKR. The movie should have been "Gone with the Wind" size.

Exactly. Trying to fit all of that in an "appropriate" runtime was ambitious, too ambitious.

That's possible, as is your theory. Another is that it requires multiple viewings to appreciate everything. King Kong told a very simple story and was an hour longer than it should have been.

I'm sure Interstellar is an example of Nolan reaching beyond his own grasp, but at least there seems to be a decent reason for it given the subject matter. I actually like King Kong a lot, but there is no reason for a Kong movie to ever be over 3 hours long.

Oh I'm not saying it's going to be bad. I'm literally just as excited about it as I was 24 hours ago. I'm just acknowledging the fact that these critics may not have a bias against Nolan nor being complete idiots and that the film very well may not be what we were hoping for.

Sadly, there's a bunch of (internet) people salivating at the very notion that Nolan will stumble and fall.

It's been that way ever since The Dark Knight.

There are just as many, if not more, (internet) people who would salivate at the very notion of Nolan making a film of a four year old reading the dictionary. He's not hurting for support.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In the case of TDK, stupid stuff would include the ferry boats sequence and the SWAT/sonar sequence. There's about a 15 minute span of the third act where it really goes off the rails.

Luckily the last 10 minutes of the film is great and it's smaller scale stuff, Nolan's bread and butter. I would consider the Joker interrogation to be a small scale scene. Just two people talking. That's where Nolan is at his best.

But what they are talking about is not small. It is macro to the core. It is the same with the Joker/Harvey scene.

I get what people don't like about the Ferry boat/SWAT scene, but outside of one really clunky bit of action, I love it. I considering a bit hamfisted, but not stupid. Stupid, is the microwave emitter.

 

[dark_b]

after all those years i still can not understand the internet fanboys. why why why is it so important to them that everyone else likes a movie as much as them?why cant a good movie have a rotten lower than 90% or 80% ?

am i standing in the middle of 13 year old boys or what?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Its been awhile.

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[Jumpman]

Yes and there's some stupid stuff thrown in there too that hurts the bigger films. As I said, the best moments in his big movies tend to be the smaller scale stuff. I admire his ambition to challenge himself with these bigger scale movies, but it would be nice to see him take a break from them at some point.

Agreed. I hope he goes small for his next project, in terms of canvas, not ideas or visual scope.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

after all those years i still can not understand the internet fanboys. why why why is it so important to them that everyone else likes a movie as much as them?why cant a good movie have a rotten lower than 90% or 80% ?

am i standing in the middle of 13 year old boys or what?

It is nice to seem something you like succeed on a larger level. That being said, RT doesn't change my view of a film. Just take my love for The Lone Ranger and Man of Steel.

 

[BatLobster]

As I said here last night before the embargo, it's not the negative reviews that scare me, it's the resulting freak out and nasty vibe it puts in the air when everyone gets all bickery. I think we've done a good job keeping it relatively cool-headed in here...so far anyway. Can't speak for all movie/Nolan fans, but it's not too bad right now. This is far from a Man of Steel or ASM2 meltdown type of situation at this point, haha.

Personally speaking, I've read enough excerpts from critics I trust to feel pretty confident that I'm going to love the movie. As I suspected from the trailers though, the marriage of hard sci-fi with heart on its sleeve sentimentality may not be a match made in heaven for some people, and that's perfectly alright (alright alright).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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