Interstellar - Part 7

[BatLobster]

http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39546_interstellar

Yes please.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Nolan is a better filmmaker than Spielberg. And more complete too, meaning that he is, not only a great director, but also an outstanding writer. Spielberg is more influential and has a much longer career, but that doesn´t mean he is more talented than Nolan. Sure, he is very good at taking other people´s ideas and making a movie out of it, but i´m still waiting to see Spielberg showing the ability to direct and write on his own something like Inception or Memento.

Nolan is a better director than writer. Clunky dialogue, too much exposition, and some story ideas that are a little too over the top seem to drag down his scripts a bit from their potential. As a director, he is one of the absolute best from a technical standpoint.

I'd be very interested to see him work as just a director with someone else's firecracker script, the way Fincher does when he picks a great script and then kicks butt adapting it to the screen.

 

[Travesty]

I don't think he's proven himself to be better than Spielberg. He's a fine director, but I don't think he's on Spielberg's level, yet.

 

[childeroland]

Nolan is a better filmmaker than Spielberg. And more complete too, meaning that he is, not only a great director, but also an outstanding writer. Spielberg is more influential and has a much longer career, but that doesn´t mean he is more talented than Nolan. Sure, he is very good at taking other people´s ideas and making a movie out of it, but i´m still waiting to see Spielberg showing the ability to direct and write on his own something like Inception or Memento.

Spielberg wrote Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Good as Memento and Inception are...

 

[Beast]

Nolan is a better director than writer. Clunky dialogue, too much exposition, and some story ideas that are a little too over the top seem to drag down his scripts a bit from their potential. As a director, he is one of the absolute best from a technical standpoint.

I'd be very interested to see him work as just a director with someone else's firecracker script, the way Fincher does when he picks a great script and then kicks butt adapting it to the screen.

What Clunky dialogue? And what´s "too much" exposition? And "too over the top", as opposed to what?

Can you give examples?

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm actually not a big fan of Close Encounters.

 

[BatLobster]

and some story ideas that are a little too over the top seem to drag down his scripts a bit from their potential.

Ironically the over the stop story idea that soured a lot of people on The Prestige came directly from the novel.

I highly doubt we'll see Nolan ever direct a movie without at least doing one re-write on the script. I wouldn't be suprised to see him take on another novel adaptation at some point however.

I also think Chris and Jonah are a little like the Borden twins in The Prestige, in that both of their fingerprints are all over the screenplays of Nolan movies regardless of whether Jonah is credited. I tend to think that when it comes to Nolan's movies they share one artistic voice, just like other sibling teams.

 

[Deserana]

I enjoy watching Nolan's movies more than Spielberg (I grew up with Nolan moviews the same many did with Spielberg) but I still think Spielberg is the better director. Spielberg, whilst having missteps yes, has proven himself in multiple genres on multiple scales across multiple audience types. He's the ****. And even though his best is arguably behind him he still had that loooooong time when he elevated himself to that position.

I love Nolan. But he's only been in the business 14 years. He's not put a foot wrong IMO and TDKR may have been a dip but it's not the trilogy ruining, career damaging, trust destroying disaster some people would lead you to believe. He's along the right lines of Spielberg. If he does this for another 15/20 years then he will no doubt be up there with the best.

Nolan is seen now too much as a big budget director and it skews peoples views of him far too much.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Ironically the over the stop story idea that soured a lot of people on The Prestige came directly from the novel.

I highly doubt we'll see Nolan ever direct a movie without at least doing one re-write on the script. I wouldn't be suprised to see him take on another novel adaptation at some point however.

I didn't have any problem with The Prestige's story. I love that movie and feel it was very underrated by critics. I had issues with the third acts of BB, TDK, Inception, and TDKR.

 

[Schlosser85]

I actually have more problem with The Prestige's third act than TDK or Inception.

The Prestige relies on a cheat that inserts a sci-fi twist as a deux ex machina.

 

[Schlosser85]

TDKR may have been a dip but it's not the trilogy ruining, career damaging, trust destroying disaster some people would lead you to believe

TDK has plot holes just as big as TDKR

 

[Travesty]

I just hope this movie doesn't have a barrage of M Night Shyamalan style twists at the end like TDKR. One twist is fine, but if it's going to be another rapid fire assortment of twists, I can see myself not liking it.

 

[Schlosser85]

How did TDKR have a "rapid fire assortment of twists"? The only big twists I count are Miranda being Talia, and Bruce surviving.

 

[Travesty]

I would say three major twists in about 10 minutes time is way too much for most movies.

-Talia twist
-Robin John Blake twist
-Batman isn't radioactive twist

 

[shauner111]

The Robin thing wasn't a twist. They just revealed his name. It didn't change what we thought of him before. Everything was still the same, they just say his first name. Talia, yes that was a twist.

 

[The Shape]

I would say three major twists in about 10 minutes time is way too much for most movies.

-Talia twist
-Robin John Blake twist
-Batman isn't radioactive twist

Miranda as Talia was a twist, and Blake being named Robin was a "reveal" that didn't change or reverse anything about to overall story.

Batman being alive is something I'd label as a twist/reveal hybrid. It reverses something about Bruce's story (he survived), but the final events of the overall story remain the same (the city was saved, LOS plan foiled, Blake as Bruce's heir).

 

[BatLobster]

I didn't have any problem with The Prestige's story. I love that movie and feel it was very underrated by critics. I had issues with the third acts of BB, TDK, Inception, and TDKR.

Neither did I, and I love that movie too but this:

The Prestige relies on a cheat that inserts a sci-fi twist as a deux ex machina.

Is a pretty common criticism of the third act. I guess my point is just that Nolan gravitates towards these kinds of, like you say, "over the top" concepts because it's not like he made it up for The Prestige...it was inherent to the source material and probably a big part of what made him want to adapt it into a movie in the first place.

 

[Black Narcissus]

It's interesting how Bird's name has catapulted so quickly to that elite group in fan circles. I mean don't get me wrong, his animation work is absolutely incredible (no pun intended) and I loved Ghost Protocol as much as the next guy, but I'm going to need to see his live action filmography expand a bit more before I can make that call. I have a lot of confidence that Tomorrowland could indeed the thing that takes him to the next level, but I can't group him with the big boys of blockbuster filmmaking purely on potential.

As for Nolan and where he stands with the big boys...I think John Campea's take on it is pretty reasonable:

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Nolan is already there when it comes to blockbusters.

Campea. Oh lawd.

 

[Faora]

New still.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Neither did I, and I love that movie too but this:



Is a pretty common criticism of the third act. I guess my point is just that Nolan gravitates towards these kinds of, like you say, "over the top" concepts because it's not like he made it up for The Prestige...it was inherent to the source material and probably a big part of what made him want to adapt it into a movie in the first place.

I guess I have more of a problem with his story ideas on these big action movies. Memento had a crazy story and I loved that one too.

 

[Faora]

http://thefilmstage.com/news/details-and-tracklist-for-hans-zimmers-interstellar-score/

 

[Beast]

I think certain terminology like "plot hole" and "twist" are often misused.

It´s also fascinanting the obsession people have with TDKR´s plot holes. Every movie has incoherences and plot holes. Especially those who deal with things that don´t exist in real world. I think the fact people pay so much attention to TDKR´s flaws is a testimony to the greatness of the trilogy. You don´t see people obsess so much about plot holes in other SH movies. Maybe they are not that invested in the story, wich makes them blind to its flaws.

 

[Deserana]

Plot hole is certainly misused when it comes to TDKR. The problems are in the execution and the pacing not really because there are loads of holes. Like others have said TDK has ones just as big. But TBH I really only notice them when people point them in unless they're so bad like in Iron Man 3 that they take me out of the film.

As for The Prestige I still dont see it as a cheat. A twist to me is only a cheat IMO when it makes plot holes but Prestige you can pretty still make sense of it all even when it's revealed. Though I do see why it irks some people it just doesn't annoy me I guess.

 

[Beast]

Plot hole is certainly misused when it comes to TDKR. The problems are in the execution and the pacing not really because there are loads of holes. Like others have said TDK has ones just as big. But TBH I really only notice them when people point them in unless they're so bad like in Iron Man 3 that they take me out of the film.

I´m willing to bet 95% of the people who talk about TDKR´s plot holes didn´t notice them for themselves. And yeah, most of those "plot holes" aren´t really plot holes.

 

[BatLobster]

Wormholes/blackholes are the new plot holes.