Interstellar - Part 8

[BigCityBoy]

Just walked out of the Digital IMAX. Completely and utterly stunned! The 9th Symphony of Christopher Nolan.

Just...flabbergasted.

Was the Digital IMAX presentation awesome like "Transformers: AOE"?

 

[titansupes]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson saw it and is really happy with it.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm definitely going to see it again. It deserves another rewatch to go over all the details.

 

[kedrell]

But what proof do you have that that happened?

Well it's the only theory I've seen yet that avoids a paradox.

John Lithgow's character says that [BLACKOUT]Earth can't sustain 6 billion people.[/BLACKOUT] That's all the reasoning the movie needs, not that there's an uber-deus ex machina controlling absolutely ALL the strings.

[BLACKOUT]His opinion that Earth can't do that could easily be just that, his opinion. It doesn't nullify the possibility that these 5-D people could have caused the scenario in the first place.
[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

The film explicitly shows the physical limitations, by what we see of Cooper's capabilities.

[BLACKOUT]But only from the POV of modern people. Just because Cooper can't do it doesn't mean the 5-D folks are as limited.
[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

Amelia says quite plainly, that you can't turn time backwards. Cooper kind of did, but not in a very concrete time-traveling way. Due to the relationship between gravity and time established scientifically and in the movie, if you "time travel," you can only affect gravity.

[BLACKOUT]

Fine, lets assume you are right and we're not dealing with an unreliable POV on her part type scenario. Just because all Cooper can do is send 4 words in morse code to the past again doesn't mean that 5-D people in the future could not utilize the exact same gravity to far greater effect(like causing the evolution of a virus that would ultimately destroy all vegetation and thus all life on Earth).
[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

If those beings can affect more than gravity, why did they just make a wormhole and just trust the humans would come to check it out and know what it was for?

[BLACKOUT]Perhaps because they know this is all that's needed. They know the future after all. Perhaps they want their footprint in the past to be only so big as to give the modern people a kick in the rear to continue progressing. [/BLACKOUT]That's pure speculation but it fits well enough, I think.

Spoiler

Surely they would have dropped more hints if they were able to. Seems like a lot of work just to put it there and then sit back and hope it all works.

[BLACKOUT]
They wouldn't have to hope. They know. That the scheme would have to be incredibly complex could simply be chalked up to how advanced they are. We couldn't pull this off but that doesn't mean they couldn't. Plus being in the future they'd know anyway by definition.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Anita18]

I guess I don't see it as a paradox as it just an example of what I think someone just posted, [blackout]the Novikov self-consistency principle[/blackout]

I don't think living beings can break the laws of physics in the world established in Interstellar. If Cooper can't do it, nobody else can do it. Wikipedia says that Kip Thorne fought Nolan for two weeks about the impossibility of traveling faster than light. That's a regular occurrence in movies like Star Wars and Star Trek, but Thorne was not having it.

And we all know what an accomplished sweet-talker Nolan is! Thorne must have seriously worn him down.

 

[flickchick85]

Well, I just got back from my 2nd IMAX viewing, and I have to say, the movie worked a lot better for me this time around. While the moments of cheesy dialogue still bug, the big thing that was different for me is that the 3rd act worked with the 1st one a lot better on re-watch, so the movie felt more cohesive to me. Once I knew how the 3rd act would go, I got a lot more of the little clues and tidbits of information in Act 1 that were laying the ground work for Act 3 which on first watch just sounded like a bunch of movie-science talk. For example, [blackout]on first watch, I hadn't realized that the "station" that hosted NASA's hidden base was actually the future "Cooper Station," and that part of the reason they needed to solve the equation to "harness gravity" was to get that huge thing operational in space.[/blackout] That might have been obvious for some the first time around since Michael Caine pretty much said it outright, but we get so much exposition thrown around in Act 1 that I hadn't made that particular connection at the end, so it was a lot more rewarding for me this time. There are other little details I picked up on in this viewing that helped it all make sense to me more this go-round, which certainly makes for an all-around more satisfying journey.

I highly recommend to anyone else who felt unsure about it after their first viewing and thought the 3rd act might have damn near ruined it to give it another go. I now feel quite comfortable rating it - I'd say 8.5/10. Also, whereas after the first viewing, I would have ranked it somewhere in the bottom half of Nolan's filmography, I now rank it only behind The Prestige and The Dark Knight on my list of Nolan favorites. Great movie.

 

[kedrell]

I guess I don't see it as a paradox as it just an example of what I think someone just posted, [blackout]the Novikov self-consistency principle[/blackout]

I don't think living beings can break the laws of physics in the world established in Interstellar. If Cooper can't do it, nobody else can do it.

I'd say there's a huge difference between what [blackout]a modern person like Cooper can do to use the laws of physics and what hyper-evolved 5-D future people can do[/blackout]. And breaking the laws of physics aren't needed. Just a vastly more advanced use of them.

Wikipedia says that Kip Thorne fought Nolan for two weeks about the impossibility of traveling faster than light. That's a regular occurrence in movies like Star Wars and Star Trek, but Thorne was not having it.

And we all know what an accomplished sweet-talker Nolan is! Thorne must have seriously worn him down.

 

[jmc]

Well it's the only theory I've seen yet that avoids a paradox.

[BLACKOUT]His opinion that Earth can't do that could easily be just that, his opinion. It doesn't nullify the possibility that these 5-D people could have caused the scenario in the first place.
[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]But only from the POV of modern people. Just because Cooper can't do it doesn't mean the 5-D folks are as limited.
[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]

Fine, lets assume you are right and we're not dealing with an unreliable POV on her part type scenario. Just because all Cooper can do is send 4 words in morse code to the past again doesn't mean that 5-D people in the future could not utilize the exact same gravity to far greater effect(like causing the evolution of a virus that would ultimately destroy all vegetation and thus all life on Earth).
[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]Perhaps because they know this is all that's needed. They know the future after all. Perhaps they want their footprint in the past to be only so big as to give the modern people a kick in the rear to continue progressing. [/BLACKOUT]That's pure speculation but it fits well enough, I think.



[BLACKOUT]
They wouldn't have to hope. They know. That the scheme would have to be incredibly complex could simply be chalked up to how advanced they are. We couldn't pull this off but that doesn't mean they couldn't. Plus being in the future they'd know anyway by definition.[/BLACKOUT]

Did you read that wikipedia article that avoids paradox I posted?

 

[kedrell]

^Tried but I forgot my PhD in my other pair of pants.

 

[X Knight]

so was that Topher Grace with adult Murphy?

 

[kedrell]

Looked like him.

 

[Anita18]

^Tried but I forgot my PhD in my other pair of pants.

I just don't understand how there's anything in the movie that necessitates a scenario where [BLACKOUT]the future humans destroy the crops to artificially force everyone off of earth. Overpopulation was doing a great job of it already.[/BLACKOUT]

so was that Topher Grace with adult Murphy?

Yup. He probably was a doctor.

 

[X Knight]

ah. I thought he looked familiar.........lol.

 

[kedrell]

I just don't understand how there's anything in the movie that necessitates a scenario where [BLACKOUT]the future humans destroy the crops to artificially force everyone off of earth. Overpopulation was doing a great job of it already.[/BLACKOUT]

Admittedly, the main reason for my theory is to eliminate the paradox that would otherwise exist. All the speculation as to motives is simply that, speculation. But I think it holds up.

 

[Anita18]

Admittedly, the main reason for my theory is to eliminate the paradox that would otherwise exist. All the speculation as to motives is simply that, speculation. But I think it holds up.

But then that just adds to the paradox, doesn't it?

 

[kendalag]

^ November 18th.

I just listened the leaked docking scene audio. God, that scene. Amazing.

Yeah, also listened to the leaked ending audio ... lord, I'm in love with that theme. So beautiful.

 

[kedrell]

But then that just adds to the paradox, doesn't it?

Why would it? [BLACKOUT]Mankind's extinction[/BLACKOUT] ends up being just a red herring. A ruse of the [BLACKOUT]future people[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Anita18]

Why would it. [BLACKOUT]Mankind's extinction[/BLACKOUT] ends up being just a red herring. A ruse of the [BLACKOUT]future people[/BLACKOUT].

So in your scenario, if nothing was done, everything would be fine and nobody would feel the need to leave earth or do anything.

But it's the blight of the crops that forces them to leave, [BLACKOUT]which makes it a paradox if the future humans have to make THAT happen so they can exist at all.[/BLACKOUT]

All you're doing, as far as I can tell, is just moving the goalpost. The outcome is the same. I don't get how that explains anything.

 

[X Knight]

did anyone else find young and adult Murphy bearing a strong resemblance to each other?

I thought that was pretty good casting.

 

[AnneFan]

did anyone else find young and adult Murphy bearing a strong resemblance to each other?

I thought that was pretty good casting.

Very good casting. It was almost seamless.

 

[X Knight]

Very good casting. It was almost seamless.

yeah. I didn't know much about the movie, but I knew that Jessica Chastain played the older version of the daughter.

and when I first saw young Murphy in the movie, I was like "Hey!! She looks like a younger Jessica Chastain!" lol

 

[X Knight]

and you know what?

I'm actually glad that Cooper and Amelia [BLACKOUT]did NOT develop a romantic relationship or kiss or have sex. it was actually refreshing that way, cuz you'd half expect the 2 leads to do that.......lol.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[X Knight]

so, a question......

Spoiler

did that Black Hole exist at the time Mann and Miller went to their respective planets? cuz if it did, that begs the non scientific question........."why the **** would you want to populate a planet bordering a black hole??!!"

 

[Snow Queen]

and you know what?

I'm actually glad that Cooper and Amelia [BLACKOUT]did NOT develop a romantic relationship or kiss or have sex. it was actually refreshing that way, cuz you'd half expect the 2 leads to do that.......lol.[/BLACKOUT]

[BLACKOUT]One of the best changes from the script, in my opinion. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[drunkhomer]

I watched it in IMAX and after the movie ended, there was probably about 5 seconds of complete silence and then the whole theater started to clap!

Also, I had no sound or dialogue issues, only line I couldn't make out was when Michael Caine [BLACKOUT]was talking to Jessica Chastain in the hospital before he passes away[/BLACKOUT] so I really don't think it's the sound mixing in the movie to be blamed.

My thoughts of the movie.... Like what most people have said, this movie is visually the most stunning movie I have ever seen. The cinematography and special effects is at times just jaw dropping and breath taking. People do not cheap out and go watch it in IMAX! I absolutely loved what Hans Zimmer did! Mathew was the perfect casting choice to play Cooper. Overall I really enjoyed this movie, it really is a lot to take in, I'm definitely going to go watch it again for the 2nd time. As of right now, I'm still not sure how i feel about the ending, but I'd give this movie a 9.5/10.

Things that I wasn't too impressed with were David Gyasi's performance, for some reason I just didn't like his acting. Also [BLACKOUT]Matt Damon's cameo didn't do anything for me, but I could be a little biased there because I've just never been a fan of him. I also was expecting the crew to spend more time on the surface of the alien planets. Also what the hell was Wes Bentley doing? I didn't understand how or why he didn't just get right back into the shuttle before the wave hit![/BLACKOUT]