Interstellar - Part 8

[kedrell]

So in your scenario, if nothing was done, everything would be fine and nobody would feel the need to leave earth or do anything.

But it's the blight of the crops that forces them to leave, [BLACKOUT]which makes it a paradox if the future humans have to make THAT happen so they can exist at all.[/BLACKOUT]

All you're doing, as far as I can tell, is just moving the goalpost. The outcome is the same. I don't get how that explains anything.

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You're not taking into account when you say 'if nothing was done' i.e. if this whole series of events hadn't been set into motion that if the future people caused it(the blight), then that falls under those parameters as well. So there would have been no blight 'if nothing was done' and humanity would have been fine. And in my theory there never was this problem, at least as far as the future people are concerned from looking at their history. Perhaps mankind never left Earth and there was never any need to. But way up in the future they decided that they aren't satisfied(for whatever reason) with how it went and have decided to alter their past for their future benefit. Thus creating the need in the past to advance faster or whatever by leaving and the threat of extinction is just the motivator. My theory is that the future people are the instigators of this entire set of events that we see in the film and not just the way to solve a problem that already existed without their influence.

 

[jmc]

Admittedly, the main reason for my theory is to eliminate the paradox that would otherwise exist. All the speculation as to motives is simply that, speculation. But I think it holds up.

Any paradox is eliminated if you take into account that you're dealing with a [BLACKOUT]time loop situation whereby the future sets its own course in the past. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Kaleb]

Loved the movie, the design of the TARS was amazing had a very Kubrick 2001 feel to it.

 

[kedrell]

Any paradox is eliminated if you take into account that you're dealing with a [BLACKOUT]time loop situation whereby the future sets its own course in the past. [/BLACKOUT]

But that doesn't make any sense. The universe is cause and effect. You're putting the effect before the cause.

 

[Longshot777]

Ok bare with me, I'm on my cell phone so I really can't or apply the spoiler tags


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No one really knows not even Stephen Hawking knows what is on the other side of a black hole. In all probability, anyone who enters, their atoms will be obliterated by the gravity itself.

So most likely Coop died and that is the after life and in there he experiences what he wanted to see. Like him accomplishing his mission and seeing his daughter.

Maybe that's what happens to all of us when we die. We don't know that we died and continue to see what we want to see.

 

[Anita18]

Geez, after Inception, is everyone going to theorize "is it real or not?" with every Nolan movie?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Just saw this tonight. I am gonna sleep on this and think about it before I give my final rating. But my quick impressions are that it's a beautifully shot film, with great acting and a good score. The story is good, but gets clunky towards the middle and end. I also feel like a good 20- 25 mins could have been cut from it though as the movie is pushing three hours. It's a movie you will love or hate, hence the mixed reviews. All I can say is if you liked Nolan's previous movies like Inception, Memento, Prestige you will most likely like this. If you didn't enjoy those movies then pass on this movie.

 

[kvz5]

Geez, after Inception, is everyone going to theorize "is it real or not?" with every Nolan movie?

Absolutely.

 

[Anita18]

Also, as a former biologist who did tissue culture, I TOTALLY related to Amelia when the first thing she did [blackout]after Dr. Mann blew up 20% of the Endurance[/blackout] was to check on the status of the [blackout]frozen cells.[/blackout]

I HAVE TOTALLY BEEN THERE. Stupid blackouts in the lab with no backup generator.

 

[jmc]

But that doesn't make any sense. The universe is cause and effect. You're putting the effect before the cause.

Take into account that higher dimensional beings might be have a greater understanding of spacetime and how to manipulate it. The question is does it violate the laws that we know and from what has been researched it would appear there's plausibility to the scenario.

 

[jmc]

Man it's turned into a science class here lol.

 

[Kaleb]

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After seen this I kinda now want to see Matt Damon playing a creepy villain more often in movies

 

[kedrell]

Take into account that higher dimensional beings might be have a greater understanding of spacetime and how to manipulate it. The question is does it violate the laws that we know and from what has been researched it would appear there's plausibility to the scenario.

Well not being a higher dimensional being myself, I have to stick to the laws of cause and effect.

 

[jmc]

Well not being a higher dimensional being myself, I have to stick to the laws of cause and effect.

I'm not saying it's true by any means but if you're looking for an 'out' to overcome any paradox you perceive in the film it's probably the best of the bunch.

 

[Anita18]

Man it's turned into a science class here lol.

I'm really glad I was obsessed with space when I was younger, and that my husband is an aerospace engineering major. We kept up with the science talk in the movie really well.

I've heard from non-scientists that they didn't get the characters, but we actually liked them a lot. Maybe it's because they were all scientists?

And not brain-dead scientists like the ones in Prometheus.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Honestly, no one knows what is out there in the far reaches of space. I often times wonder if there is another dimension similar to our own with humans or other life forms on it. They just can't reach us and we can't reach them. It could be crazy if there was another universe out there with doplegangers of our selfs living totally different lives than we currently are. Also, in regards to the afterlife, I am a religious person and wonder if Heaven is here or is actually another dimension. So I dug what this movie did with time space continuum.

 

[SuperJediHero]

After seeing it twice already, I had enough damn popcorn in my stomach!!!

 

[ShadowBoxer]

After seeing it twice already, I had enough damn popcorn in my stomach!!!

Your a trooper. This movie is particularly three hours long. That's Peter Jackson stuff right there lol. I liked the movie but seeing it once in theaters is good enough for me. Might buy it or rent it when it hits blu Ray.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Hell, if I have people going with, might be a 3rd, 4th time...

I think it's a very spectacular movie, loved the acting thru out. Love the plot the most. And, I grasp the 5th dimension concept... hopefully more movies in the future explore 5D more.

 

[kedrell]

I'm not saying it's true by any means but if you're looking for an 'out' to overcome any paradox you perceive in the film it's probably the best of the bunch.

An 'out' that subverts the established laws of reality is not something I can get behind. I'm just applying Occam's razor since I can't make heads or tails of that time loop theory as it runs counter to the law of cause and effect. Maybe it is true but there's no way to know. My theory requires no breaking of the chain of cause and effect even with the time travel element. Of course if I'm right it probably means that [blackout]the future people are creating an alternate reality for themselves by changing their own past[/blackout].

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Also did anyone else think the casting for young Murph was spot on? Her resemblance to Jessica Chastain was uncanny! It wouldn't supprise me if Nolan harnessed the powers of time travel and cast Jessica's younger and older self in the same movie lol.

 

[Anita18]

Well I'm just applying Occam's razor since I can't make heads or tails of that time loop theory as it runs counter to the law of cause and effect. Maybe it is true but there's no way to know. My theory requires no breaking of the chain of cause and effect even with the time travel element. Of course if I'm right it probably means that [blackout]the future people are creating an alternate reality for themselves by changing their own past[/blackout].

I think that's relevant for any movie that features [blackout]time travel[/blackout] though. I think a film like Looper makes it more confusing (because that's clear it has multiple branches), but Terminator and Interstellar can be thought of as a circular, closed system. Just depends on your viewpoint of how it all works.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Yeah the girl is a very good little actress

 

[antsman41]

Did you think TARS/CASE were more of a homage to The Monolith or the subtle television displays that showed up

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in Cooper's house in the Murphy Cooper Space Station...

?

 

[kedrell]

I think that's relevant for any movie that features [blackout]time travel[/blackout] though. I think a film like Looper makes it more confusing (because that's clear it has multiple branches), but Terminator and Interstellar can be thought of as a circular, closed system. Just depends on your viewpoint of how it all works.

The only way time travel works as I see it is more like a slinky rather than a closed loop. Or like ripples in a pond. Traveling back means skipping a rung to another identical copy/vibration/universe/level/whatever. So if I'm right then the [BLACKOUT]future people[/BLACKOUT] in the movie aren't even from the reality they are messing with but some alternate future reality.