"Intervention" Episode 12 Discussion Thread

[Nathan]

3. All I can say is watch it again, it was revealed little by little, not so sudden in terms of how fast this show is.

Episode 3, Pissed at Pete for running away and taking pictures to sell. Episode 10, getting angry again because Pete took pictures and didn't call the cops. Wants to make him feel what it's like to lose something important.

That's not little by little, that's very little.

Yes, that would have been nice but I can safely say that Eddie got the best of transition into a villain yet beside Ock.

Another transition I didn't really like. In every episode Ock is the insecure, easily scared scientist. We get only one short scene of what's going on in his head, just one glimpse, and after getting the tentacles fused to his spine, he's instantly in evil mode.

Well, it was pretty obvious since "Natural Selection" that he's mentally instable. As I said, he did over react.

After my Boss turned into a giant, man eating, Lizard, I think I too would be more upset than usual after finding out that a specific person thought pictures are more important than working on a cure.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Episode 3, Pissed at Pete for running away and taking pictures to sell. Episode 10, getting angry again because Pete took pictures and didn't call the cops. What's to make him feel what it's like to lose something important.

That's not little by little, that's very little.

In all this mess, Connors was too a victim and Eddie saw it, he wanted to show Peter that. Plus, all this was also fueled by Peter's ignorance of Gwen.

Well the reason its little is because it's a 20 minute cartoon and creators are already cramming too much in one episode like the Sinister Six which could have been better done in two parters but was acceptable as one episode.

 

[The Joker]

Another transition I didn't really like. In every episode Ock is the insecure, easily scared scientist. We get only one short scene of what's going on in his head, just one glimpse, and after getting the tentacles fused to his spine, he's instantly in evil mode.

Supressed rage.

Alot of the most notorious serial killers in the world were described as quiet, unassuming, even nice by people who knew them.

 

[Nathan]

Supressed rage.

Alot of the most notorious serial killers in the world were described as quiet, unassuming, even nice by people who knew them.

I just think it would've been better if the showed more of his supressed anger, more images of him hurting people in his mind or showing more of his evil scientist side. I love the part where his glasses reflect the light when he talks about Rhino's features and you get that evil scientist feeling.

 

[Anwar]

Too bad all we saw of that with Ock was a 5 second sequence a few minutes before he turned.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Yes, that would have been nice but I can safely say that Eddie got the best of transition into a villain yet, beside Ock.

How? His character arc makes no sense. For ten episodes, he's totally normal (the people saying he's shown signs of mental instability from the start seem completely off-base, to me), then he shows up sneering and acting one step away from tying MJ over the railroad tracks like a 30s serial villain. If anything we were shown about him before last episode was meant to establish he has mental problems, the show has failed even more miserably than I first thought; in fact, the show goes out of its way to make his anger at Peter seem reasonable in his early appearances.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

No he didn't. Without knowing that Peter was Spidey Brock's accusations towards Peter were reasonable. Heck he even forgave him before Gwen did.

Yes, but Brock was the only one to yell at Peter at the end of "Natural Selection".

 

[Nathan]

Yelling. Undisputable proof of mental instability.

 

[Silver Spider]

I can't describe how much I loved this episode. Definantly one of the best, if not the best. I thought the pschological struggle with the symbiote and Uncle Ben was amazing.

People who think Eddie's character was rushed are clearing not thinking hard at all. His change has been subtle, but if you think back to everything that's happened, he's had a lot of things that have justified his anger towards Peter, and now Spider-man.

First there was the obvious Lizard picture fiasco, where in Eddie's point of view, Peter completely neglected the struggle to help Doc Connors, just to win a contest.
Later Peter apparently lied to Gwen, which really pissed off Eddie, considering his protective nature towards her.
Then when Peter seems to take more pictures of Spidey, instead of calling the police; Eddie believes he's become an irresponsible, and selfish person.
When they talk later, Peter acts like he's done nothing wrong, and Eddie interprets this as him being smug, and only caring about whats good for him.
He ultimately loses his job, because Peter didn't help stop the "theft" of the symbiote.
When he confronts Peter about it, Peter attacks him and tells him to shove off.
Then when he finally believes he has a chance to get his job back, Spider-man destroys the symbiote, right infront of his eyes.
Wrap this up with his unstable mind, and an alien symbiote, and we've got a super-villain.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Yes, but Brock was the only one to yell at Peter at the end of "Natural Selection".

He's angry; angry people yell. The show goes out of its way to show why he would be angry.

 

[CaptainCanada]

People who think Eddie's character was rushed are clearing not thinking hard at all. His change has been subtle, but if you think back to everything that's happened, he's had a lot of things that have justified his anger towards Peter, and now Spider-man.

First there was the obvious Lizard picture fiasco, where in Eddie's point of view, Peter completely neglected the struggle to help Doc Connors, just to win a contest.
Later Peter apparently lied to Gwen, which really pissed off Eddie, considering his protective nature towards her.
Then when Peter seems to take more pictures of Spidey, instead of calling the police; Eddie believes he's become an irresponsible, and selfish person.
When they talk later, Peter acts like he's done nothing wrong, and Eddie interprets this as him being smug, and only caring about whats good for him.
He ultimately loses his job, because Peter didn't help stop the "theft" of the symbiote.
When he confronts Peter about it, Peter attacks him and tells him to shove off.
Then when he finally believes he has a chance to get his job back, Spider-man destroys the symbiote, right infront of his eyes.
Wrap this up with his unstable mind, and an alien symbiote, and we've got a super-villain.

No, it really doesn't work. The first ten episodes (the ones where he appears, anyway) set up various incidents that make Eddie think Peter is selfish (and, contrivedly, they never talk for five minutes to work any of these out). Then in episode eleven Eddie is acting like a psychopath with an obsessive fixation on Peter; it's just not fluid at all.

 

[ReggieWhiteJr]

Don't forget that with the symbiote not being destroyed like Spidey thought, Brock still had a chance to make everything right. Brock let the symbiote out, thereby throwing everything away. Brock messed up for himself right there because he let revenge cloud his mind. Got no one to blame but himself for that one.

 

[Spiderine]

Don't forget that with the symbiote not being destroyed like Spidey thought, Brock still had a chance to make everything right. Brock let the symbiote out, thereby throwing everything away. Brock messed up for himself right there because he let revenge cloud his mind. Got no one to blame but himself for that one.

That may be true. Ultimately the temptation of seeing the sym drawn to him and feeling a connection with it caused him to open it. That was a bad choice on Brock's part.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I love the episode however I had a few problems

1. Dark Parker sudden appearance - This was way to sudden, their should've been a better build up

2. The random location spot - The Belltower - Why did The symbiote knowing full well that sonic vibration weaken it would go to the tower ?

3. Peter wearing his old costume with his web-shooters under the symbiote suit. - This doesn't make any sense , we saw that Peter was only wearing the symbiote suit when he left the hospital . so how does his original suit get on him with his web-shooters ?

4. Spidey talking the symbiote back to ESU - spidey should've just left the symbiote at the bell tower letting the sound of the bell weaken it under it was no more . Why'd he bring it back to ESU . BTW I hate the ultimate spider-man nod of Brock taking it out of the tube . I'd prefer the Bell -tower like in the comics, The 90's animated series & Spidey 3 .

 

[Nathan]

3. Peter wearing his old costume with his web-shooters under the symbiote suit.

That's one of the things that bothered me the most. First they go through all the trouble showing us that Pete's old suit is gone and that he doesn't need his web-shooters anymore because the symbiote produces it's own web, and just like magic, he's got his suit and web-shooters back on.

 

[Jick]

I saw the episode earlier today...and I really liked it.
you could really see the anger of Eddie, the hatred.
and I loved the battle inside Peter's mind.
that's what we can call "the battle within".

 

[The Caped Knight]

That's one of the things that bothered me the most. First they go through all the trouble showing us that Pete's old suit is gone and that he doesn't need his web-shooters anymore because the symbiote produces it's own web, and just like magic, he's got his suit and web-shooters back on.

In the mind battle wearing the Classic suit made sense . However we should've seen Peter taking the symbiote off not Spidey .

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yelling. Undisputable proof of mental instability.

The way Brock yelled and how he sounded like he was trying to control his sort of shows that he has anger issues. I mean, I could be wrong, but I really think it's possible.

 

[Syncos]

I love the episode however I had a few problems

1. Dark Parker sudden appearance - This was way to sudden, their should've been a better build up

2. The random location spot - The Belltower - Why did The symbiote knowing full well that sonic vibration weaken it would go to the tower ?

3. Peter wearing his old costume with his web-shooters under the symbiote suit. - This doesn't make any sense , we saw that Peter was only wearing the symbiote suit when he left the hospital . so how does his original suit get on him with his web-shooters ?

4. Spidey talking the symbiote back to ESU - spidey should've just left the symbiote at the bell tower letting the sound of the bell weaken it under it was no more . Why'd he bring it back to ESU . BTW I hate the ultimate spider-man nod of Brock taking it out of the tube . I'd prefer the Bell -tower like in the comics, The 90's animated series & Spidey 3 .

1) I completely disagree. Peter had a perfect amount of progression with his behavior. 3 episodes was enough.

2) I don't think the symbiote made a conscious decision to or against the belltower. i'm sure it wasn't thinking about the tower as a sonic device. we know about it because it's a well known and reused plot point. Peter also didn't know about the sonics. it was basically luck on his part. he was just trying to a secluded spot to remove the symbiote.

3) i'll give you this one. kinda bothered me, too.

4) After the speech the symbiote gave him about the sound merely being unpleasant to it, there's no indication that the sonics would kill it. i'm sure Peter didn't want to risk it getting into contact with someone else. so it makes sense that he'd take it back to it's containment cell.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Brock Character development began great , However I too feel tptb rushed his transformation into VENOM too quickly . It should've been fleshed out a little more . VENOM should've appear in season 2 .

 

[The Caped Knight]

1) I completely disagree. Peter had a perfect amount of progression with his behavior. 3 episodes was enough.

2) I don't think the symbiote made a conscious decision to or against the belltower. i'm sure it wasn't thinking about the tower as a sonic device. we know about it because it's a well known and reused plot point. Peter also didn't know about the sonics. it was basically luck on his part. he was just trying to a secluded spot to remove the symbiote.

3) i'll give you this one. kinda bothered me, too.

4) After the speech the symbiote gave him about the sound merely being unpleasant to it, there's no indication that the sonics would kill it. i'm sure Peter didn't want to risk it getting into contact with someone else. so it makes sense that he'd take it back to it's containment cell.

1. No we Saw Spider-Man's development under the influence of the symbiote. But not Peter Parker's, Parker goes from his normal plaid look to a Jet Black outfit with a serious attitude in one episode.

2. That's a load of Bull, I don't buy it .

3. It didn't make any sense

4. Sorry but again it just doesn't make sense . Peter just rid himself of the symbiote , yet he manages with a bucket or whatever he used to keep it at bay all the way back to ESU without the symbiote attaching it's self back onto his body WTF ?????

 

[Silver Spider]

No, it really doesn't work. The first ten episodes (the ones where he appears, anyway) set up various incidents that make Eddie think Peter is selfish (and, contrivedly, they never talk for five minutes to work any of these out). Then in episode eleven Eddie is acting like a psychopath with an obsessive fixation on Peter; it's just not fluid at all.

Eddie is obviously a very passionate person, so when he's betrayed, he's going to be extremely mad. He's also not the most mentally stable person in the world, which doesn't really help settle his false accusations. We've seen little moments that have annoyed Eddie a lot, and they've gotten a little worse every time; but just because he didn't take episodes upon episodes of developing his mental instability and ager towards Peter/Spider-man, doesn't mean he was just rushed. He's been repressing his emotions about Peter, and now he's letting them all flow out. That's why they call it "snapping." There was a final straw for Eddie.

 

[Anwar]

But the earlier episodes didn't portray Eddie as the type to hold a grudge or as a passionate person or anything. The anger shown there was the anger ANYONE would have shown.

He forgave Peter for the Lizard thing BEFORE Gwen did, his anger over Peter's "betrayal" of Gwen was believable and so was his anger over the BC pictures.

What came out of nowhere was his "Peter must lose something he loves!" talk and his unstable rant with MJ. There was nothing indicating he was like that in his other appearances, and his actions here as well.

 

[Silver Spider]

But the earlier episodes didn't portray Eddie as the type to hold a grudge or as a passionate person or anything. The anger shown there was the anger ANYONE would have shown.

He forgave Peter for the Lizard thing BEFORE Gwen did, his anger over Peter's "betrayal" of Gwen was believable and so was his anger over the BC pictures.

What came out of nowhere was his "Peter must lose something he loves!" talk and his unstable rant with MJ. There was nothing indicating he was like that in his other appearances, and his actions here as well.

I guess that part was kind of strange; but you could justify it as Eddie trying to "avenge" others, by making Peter feel as bad as them. And remember, he's not entirely stable.
He seems to be very passionate to me, because of how commits selfless acts without thinking thoroughly(ex. flinging himself at Electro; being bait for the Lizard).

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Eddie is obviously a very passionate person, so when he's betrayed, he's going to be extremely mad. He's also not the most mentally stable person in the world, which doesn't really help settle his false accusations. We've seen little moments that have annoyed Eddie a lot, and they've gotten a little worse every time; but just because he didn't take episodes upon episodes of developing his mental instability and ager towards Peter/Spider-man, doesn't mean he was just rushed. He's been repressing his emotions about Peter, and now he's letting them all flow out. That's why they call it "snapping." There was a final straw for Eddie.

Very well said.