Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[DarthSkywalker]

Probably posted, but I missed it:

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[Pokkle]

Mark Cassidy liked the 6 first episode too.
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Hmmm. Surprised by the negative reaction to IRON FIST. I thought the first 6 eps were very enjoyable. I mean it has the same issues...

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree if it was only the first season of Daredevil. Madame Gao was the only really "mystical" bit. But the second season turned it up. We people coming back from the dead, weird mystical bloody transfusions and something called Black Sky.

Oh, I agree. I don't think it should have been a problem since technically Iron Fist exists in the same universe as a talking raccoon in space. My only point is Marvel seemed to want something less out there and more in line with the other Netflix stuff since the beginning. This is why even if Iron Fist ends up being a disappointment once I view it, I cannot lay the blame only with Scott Buck. Buck just had the pitch that was grounded like Marvel wanted, so Marvel TV would deserve a healthy portion of blame.

 

[TeeKay]

Welp. I'll be honest. I was never familiar with Iron Fist and was hoping the show would give me a solid intro to the character the way they did Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. I might sit this one out. The trailers looked cool but the reviews are eh. And did they really hire the same guy to do Inhumans? This is hilarious lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, I agree. I don't think it should have been a problem since technically Iron Fist exists in the same universe as a talking raccoon in space. My only point is Marvel seemed to want something less out there and more in line with the other Netflix stuff since the beginning. This is why even if Iron Fist ends up being a disappointment once I view it, I cannot lay the blame only with Scott Buck. Buck just had the pitch that was grounded like Marvel wanted, so Marvel TV would deserve a healthy portion of blame.

I see what you are saying and I agree there is blame all around. Though one thing I'd say that if the person hired has the talent, they can usually get a better vision across. Like how Gunn got GotG to be his film, or how the Russos got The Winter Soldier done their way.

 

[Darepool]

Well the good news is that if people don't like it they'll have learned their lesson going forward. Like I said in another post they basically thought themselves into a box on this one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I see what you are saying and I agree there is blame all around. Though one thing I'd say that if the person hired has the talent, they can usually get a better vision across. Like how Gunn got GotG to be his film, or how the Russos got The Winter Soldier done their way.

I agree with that, but at the same time, Marvel treated this property oddly. For some reason, Marvel has taken a lot of pride in many of their riskier things for people to enjoy, but they never seemed proud of Iron Fist. Marvel feels like they were afraid of this project from the on-set, which makes you wonder why they didn't just do someone else like Moon Knight or heck even The Punisher sooner than make a show they had no ideas for and were afraid to do.

If this goes down as the first MCU outright dud, it is because Marvel over thought themselves on this, as opposed to embracing it like they have done in the past. But, might that also be a by product of Netflix requiring the show be toned down as well? Could be, but who knows for sure.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'd be curious to see where the Tomato-meter is going to fall on this one. It's looking like it might be rotten, but who knows.

 

[TheVileOne]

The other issue is that Defenders hasn't really had time to course correct. The show already started filming, and those episodes are already written. We really have no assurance that Petrie and Ramirez will do a better job with Danny.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree with that, but at the same time, Marvel treated this property oddly. For some reason, Marvel has taken a lot of pride in many of their riskier things for people to enjoy, but they never seemed proud of Iron Fist. Marvel feels like they were afraid of this project from the on-set, which makes you wonder why they didn't just do someone else like Moon Knight or heck even The Punisher sooner than make a show they had no ideas for and were afraid to do.

If this goes down as the first MCU outright dud, it is because Marvel over thought themselves on this, as opposed to embracing it like they have done in the past. But, might that also be a by product of Netflix requiring the show be toned down as well? Could be, but who knows for sure.

I honestly think they didn't know how to make Iron Fist on a budget, while also being in tune with what else they were working on. So like with GotG, they were looking for someone who could make it work for them.

 

[Darepool]

My guess would be 70's RT, but with the overblown political element it could definitely be rotten. That would suck for the Defenders momentum.

 

[John Locke]

I don't understand how Marvel TV can look at Doctor Strange and even Flash/Supergirl and say "Let's do away with the fantastical comic-booky elements so it can fit in our semi-grounded world."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The other issue is that Defenders hasn't really had time to course correct. The show already started filming, and those episodes are already written. We really have no assurance that Petrie and Ramirez will do a better job with Danny.

*Watches Daredevil season 2*

I have some assurance. t:

 

[Dark Raven]

They can't really course correct with Inhumans either. That has also begun production unless they actually hold up production, fire Buck and rethink the whole thing.

So any lessons learned would only be later in the future and not immediately.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I honestly think they didn't know how to make Iron Fist on a budget, while also being in tune with what else they were working on. So like with GotG, they were looking for someone who could make it work for them.

Agreed. We shall see what the streaming numbers and everything look like at end of day. While Iron Fist getting meh reviews stinks, as with anything, it will all be about the audience and people watching.

*Watches Daredevil season 2*

I have some assurance. t:

Truth! While the Hand storyline was less good in the season, the Punisher plot line was one of the best Netflix/Marvel plotlines yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I care very little about the Inhumans in general, so I will live with that being bad if it is. Like Agents of SHIELD.

 

[Darepool]

fire Buck and rethink the whole thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Agreed. We shall see what the streaming numbers and everything look like at end of day. While Iron Fist getting meh reviews stinks, as with anything, it will all be about the audience and people watching.

Watch us all end up loving it.

Truth! While the Hand storyline was less good in the season, the Punisher plot line was one of the best Netflix/Marvel plotline yets.

The Hand story did fizzle out a bit. But what they did with the Punisher and his storyline and Elektra herself, were great. Both seasons of Daredevil are right up there with Cap's trilogy, Ant-Man, Iron MAn and GotG as my favorite MCU stuff. I am very excited to see what they do with the Defenders.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Watch us all end up loving it.


The Hand story did fizzle out a bit. But what they did with the Punisher and his storyline and Elektra herself, were great. Both seasons of Daredevil are right up there with Cap's trilogy, Ant-Man, Iron MAn and GotG as my favorite MCU stuff. I am very excited to see what they do with the Defenders.

Agreed. Daredevil is prob in my MCU top 5 overall, including both movies and TV. There is certainly enough momentum from the other shows to build a proper Defenders, even if Iron Fist ends up a stumble. If we have doubts about the writing team on Defenders, watch the Punisher and Daredevil graveyard scene again. We have potential.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Daredevil was pretty good as was Jessica Jones. I liked most of Luke Cage although my only issue was killing Cottonmouth too early.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Daredevil was pretty good as was Jessica Jones. I liked most of Luke Cage although my only issue was killing Cottonmouth too early.

Agreed. And he was replaced by....Diamondback...oooooooh Diamondback

 

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. Daredevil is prob in my MCU top 5 overall, including both movies and TV. There is certainly enough momentum from the other shows to build a proper Defenders, even if Iron Fist ends up a stumble. If we have doubts about the writing team on Defenders, watch the Punisher and Daredevil graveyard scene again. We have potential.

I enjoyed both seasons of DD but didn't enjoy JJ or LC as much. It might be too late to change IF's tone there. Surely they must be soon done with filming?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Agreed. And he was replaced by....Diamondback...oooooooh Diamondback

I did not mind Misty not losing her arm.

 

[MadVillainy]

Was Cotton mouth even that good. I mean really? M. Ali is dope. But especially after Kingpin and Purple Man, he was just eh. Other than beating those 2 guys nothing he did was cool to me

 

[Dasher10]

Now that Iron Fist looks to be a failure because it didn't believe in its own source material enough and tried to ground fantastic elements too much in the same way as Josh Trank's Fantastic Four, is it time to ask that the live action Iron Fist rights revert back to Marvel?