Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[John Locke]

Im trying to catch up with all this. Im shocked that this is being so panned, this seems like an easy homerun. This is basically Arrow with a bigger budget, better actors and much better fight choreographers. Whats the big thing that seems to be bringing this down?

That's it's Arrow with a bigger budget, better actors and the choreographers are probably on par with Arrow's first season's fights and the fact that Iron Fist isn't meant to be a grounded character like Green Arrow.

Edit: And it seems that it focuses on the corporate stuff.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I love Claire but I don't know why she needs to be in every one of the shows.

With that said, I don't mind her being in Defenders because that's the Big One for this corner of the MCU.

...She IS in Defenders, right?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

For me each series has gotten worse I didn't even get past episode 3 or 4 of LC. So unfortunately these reviews aren't surprising to me, I've had barely any hype for it.

 

[Dasher10]

Im trying to catch up with all this. Im shocked that this is being so panned, this seems like an easy homerun. This is basically Arrow with a bigger budget, better actors and much better fight choreographers. Whats the big thing that seems to be bringing this down?

The fact that the show spends the first four episodes out of the six shown doing precisely nothing. It might get renewed for a second season if the second half is good but it feels like Marvel didn't learn anything from Agents of SHIELD's slow start. It's literally like SHIELD Season 1 all over again. I hear that episode 5 is where things start picking up and episode 6 is actually pretty awesome but the fact that it takes four whole hours to do anything interesting is king of unforgivable. It took SHIELD 11 hours of screentime and that show was aired weekly so it's not as bad but it's certainly not good. Like what show does precisely nothing for four whole episodes when it's billed as an action series? It's putting all the filler episodes at the beginning which means that people won't watch it.

And some unnatural dialog, Harold and Ward's accents slipping and a cringeworthy scene at Colleen's dojo hurt scores as well. Then there's the fight scenes which are said to use choppy editing to give the impression of speed since Finn Jones isn't very fast since he's not actually a trained martial artist which is tied into the lack of a costume which makes it harder to use a stunt double in fight scenes.

I'm guessing that some of these problems are related to budget issues since 13 hours of footage were shot and there wasn't an affordable way to shoot scenes in Kun Lun, much less show the fight with Shou Lao without comprising the budget for other episodes. The poor writing... that's not explainable as anything other than Marvel hiring lousy writers.

That's what's, "bringing this down."

 

[RockSP]

Im trying to catch up with all this. Im shocked that this is being so panned, this seems like an easy homerun. This is basically Arrow with a bigger budget, better actors and much better fight choreographers. Whats the big thing that seems to be bringing this down?

Some are saying the fight choreography is bad, which obviously shouldn't be the case on an Iron Fist show.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have no doubt the fights are better then Arrow. Arrow's were overrated from day one imo. Had everything to do with it being the "first". But Dardevil came along not long after and showed how lame Arrow's action was in comparison.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah the action in Arrow was never that great to me IMO.

 

[smallville fan]

I'm shocked at this. Is it really that bad to the point where folk who wan to pounce on the MCU are using it as fuel?

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO the fight choreography isn't all that bad. I don't think Finn Jones is that bad with his action scenes.

Once again, it's definitely a step above the really poorly shot action in Jessica Jones. But it's a step below the cooler elements we got to see in Daredevil. just for example, in Daredevil Season 2 we got things like the billy club swing, or that time Daredevil ricocheted his billy club into Punisher. Things like that.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm shocked at this. Is it really that bad to the point where folk who wan to pounce on the MCU are using it as fuel?

No it's not, but it has problems where people will do it. And that's why I'm a little sad over this. And I'm sad because they picked the wrong guy to run it.

 

[MadVillainy]

The way Luke Cage handled it's themes was so heavy handed and corny it almost came off as pandering. It completely took me out of it for the first four or so episodes. I didn't actually enjoy the show until Claire showed but that's another rant for another day.

100% agreed. Also Mike Colter was not that good of an actor. Cage was dull but it could also be due to how they wrote him

Can't wait for all the Luke Cage sucked revisionist history because Iron Fist didn't deliver.


Certain people already got upset Cage was most watched Marvel Netflix show

OK buddy.

I've said since the jump THAT Cage wasn that good. A good amount of people did. But do you tho

 

[DarthSkywalker]

IMHO the fight choreography isn't all that bad. I don't think Finn Jones is that bad with his action scenes.

Once again, it's definitely a step above the really poorly shot action in Jessica Jones. But it's a step below the cooler elements we got to see in Daredevil. just for example, in Daredevil Season 2 we got things like the billy club swing, or that time Daredevil ricocheted his billy club into Punisher. Things like that.

What I expected here was the best action so far. Something where Danny moved like water and struck like thunder. With special abilities for that extra boost.

 

[chamber-music]

Im trying to catch up with all this. Im shocked that this is being so panned, this seems like an easy homerun. This is basically Arrow with a bigger budget, better actors and much better fight choreographers. Whats the big thing that seems to be bringing this down?

From what I've seen the main criticism seems to be

Far too slow to get going.
Average fight choreography.
Visually bland.
Pacing issues.

Too much focus on Rand enterprises corporate drama which leads to the mystical/martial arts elements feeling sidelined seems to be the major issue in many reviews.


Episode six by the Wu Tang Clans RZA is the best of the first six from the sounds of things.

 

[Dasher10]

IMHO the fight choreography isn't all that bad. I don't think Finn Jones is that bad with his action scenes.

Once again, it's definitely a step above the really poorly shot action in Jessica Jones. But it's a step below the cooler elements we got to see in Daredevil. just for example, in Daredevil Season 2 we got things like the billy club swing, or that time Daredevil ricocheted his billy club into Punisher. Things like that.

Wait, you saw the show?

PM me spoilers. I want to know if Zhou Cheng was in the first six episodes and who the other villains are.

 

[2kt09]

I love Claire but I don't know why she needs to be in every one of the shows.

With that said, I don't mind her being in Defenders because that's the Big One for this corner of the MCU.

...She IS in Defenders, right?

Claire is Netflix's Nick Fury.

Episode six by the Wu Tang Clans RZA is the best of the first six from the sounds of things.

lol.

 

[MadVillainy]

From what I've seen the main criticism seems to be

Far too slow to get going.
Average fight choreography.
Visually bland.
Pacing issues.

Too much focus on Rand enterprises corporate drama which leads to the mystical/martial arts elements feeling sidelined seems to be the major issue in many reviews.


Episode six by the Wu Tang Clans RZA is the best of the first six from the sounds of things.

RZA ain't nothing to f*** with

 

[MadVillainy]

I love Claire but I don't know why she needs to be in every one of the shows.

With that said, I don't mind her being in Defenders because that's the Big One for this corner of the MCU.

...She IS in Defenders, right?

I mean she's not getting HUGE roles in many live action movies anymore, but I'm still very confused why she chose to do the role. It's so thankless

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

But do you tho

No you keep doing you...


This is an Iron Fist thread what good does putting down Luke Cage accomplish? Because Iron Fist reviews are bad it's now the "woke" crowds fault?


OK sure "Black Man"

 

[MadVillainy]

I honestly have no idea what you're doing

You do realize you can compare TV shows right?

I don't get why you're getting so salty

 

[I Am The Knight]

I mean she's not getting HUGE roles in many live action movies anymore, but I'm still very confused why she chose to do the role. It's so thankless

Maybe a Marvel fan. Kinda like Megan Fox wanting to be in TMNT. Not that I'm comparing the actresseso or their respective roles.

 

[chamber-music]

100% agreed. Also Mike Colter was not that good of an actor. Cage was dull but it could also be due to how they wrote him

Colter said he would not play Cage unless he was written a certain way. Colter didn't want to play him as a guy from the streets.

 

[Murdock103]

I cant say I'm not disappointed by the response. It seemed that Marvel knew how to get the best of their characters, and this seems to indicate that even they're not infallible.A lot of the negative reviews I've read make a big deal of Danny not being Asian. Not only do I think that this is an unfair criticism. I don't believe that people would have even thought about it as a criticism if it hasn't been made such a big deal of when the show and casting was first announced. Apparently, everyone is now a die hard Iron Fist fan and knows all about the problems he presents as a 'white saviour' and they've known if for years.Having said all that, the same reviews do bring up valid criticisms such as the show just being boring and dragging on far too long and focusing on tedious aspects. In respect of all of that, fair enough. Hopefully the back end of the season speeds up and elevates the beginning six.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not going to be PM'ing or revealing any spoilers anywhere. Episode specific content is still under embargo until March 17 after the show releases.

I can't really go into much greater details than what's already been revealed in the media and the footage and my general impressions. My general impressions are the show starts really slow but picks up toward the middle half of the season and shows potential to get better. However, Scott Buck definitely struggles with the material and really nailing down this character.

 

[MadVillainy]

Colter said he would not play Cage unless he was written a certain way. Colter didn't want to play him as a guy from the streets.

And that's fine but they could've still given him a better personality imo

 

[Dark Raven]

So when critics describe this as a slow start that fails to get going, is it like Fifty Shades of Grey where it was savaged for being so slow and nothing happening, and that for a movie supposedly about sex they spend more of their time going over legal fine print in contracts and other dull order of business in order to engage in such acts?