Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 4

[jaqua99]

Joy's change in personality at the end made no sense to me.

Ward was awesome, but they never figured out what to do with her. She was just irrelevant and problem some

 

[KevTravels]

Joy's change in personality at the end made no sense to me.

I concur

 

[NotNickFury]

General question since Buck's name comes up a lot...and I guess this could apply to most shows, but in this instance, it's the showrunner in particular who comes up, but when a show does great, for better or worse, who deserves most of the blame or credit? The showrunner or the individual directors and writers of each episode.

Because Scott Buck's name comes up a lot, but he only wrote two episodes and didn't direct any of them. So in that regard, how come none of the other writers and directors behind Iron Fist, from what I can see, don't get the same amount of flack?

 

[TheVileOne]

I guess the showrunner since they are really like the main guy overseeing the show and like the head writer.

 

[Slick]

I think it's because Buck has final say and he's in charge of shaping the story. Ultimately it's his vision that the writers and directors are following.

 

[KevTravels]

I think it's because Buck has final say and he's in charge of shaping the story. Ultimately it's his vision that the writers and directors are following.

This sounds Right.

 

[flickchick85]

General question since Buck's name comes up a lot...and I guess this could apply to most shows, but in this instance, it's the showrunner in particular who comes up, but when a show does great, for better or worse, who deserves most of the blame or credit? The showrunner or the individual directors and writers of each episode.

Because Scott Buck's name comes up a lot, but he only wrote two episodes and didn't direct any of them. So in that regard, how come none of the other writers and directors behind Iron Fist, from what I can see, don't get the same amount of flack?

Film is a director's medium, TV is a writer's medium. Directors have very little power in TV, unless they are directing the pilot, which creates the tone and aesthetic for a series. Pilot directors are there through the development process with the showrunner to bring the series to life, which is why most pilot directors often get producer credits as well. Otherwise, most TV directors are following a "tone bible" that they stick to for directing episodes. There are exceptions, when directors really make their mark with stylistic choices (like Miguel Sapochnik on Game of Thrones, or Rian Johnson on Breaking Bad), but they are not the general rule.

In TV, the writer is king. And the showrunner is the head writer and executive producer. They may not write many (if any) individual episodes, but all the story decisions and creative choices go through them, and they get the final say on the story's direction, for each episode and the season as a whole. So yes, most of the blame or credit should go to them, as the individual episode writers are following their lead.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think Finn Jones/Danny Rand gets to shine when they let him be kinda goofy. There's a scene of him and Cage in The Defenders while their in the chinese spot where I thought Finn was really good.

They need to allow for more of that with Danny's character. Play up that little kid aspect.

 

[Random490]

Film is a director's medium, TV is a writer's medium. Directors have very little power in TV, unless they are directing the pilot, which creates the tone and aesthetic for a series. Pilot directors are there through the development process with the showrunner to bring the series to life, which is why most pilot directors often get producer credits as well. Otherwise, most TV directors are following a "tone bible" that they stick to for directing episodes. There are exceptions, when directors really make their mark with stylistic choices (like Miguel Sapochnik on Game of Thrones, or Rian Johnson on Breaking Bad), but they are not the general rule.

In TV, the writer is king. And the showrunner is the head writer and executive producer. They may not write many (if any) individual episodes, but all the story decisions and creative choices go through them, and they get the final say on the story's direction, for each episode and the season as a whole. So yes, most of the blame or credit should go to them, as the individual episode writers are following their lead.

Pretty much spot on. Netfilx has a documentary on showrunners that helps you understand what they do.

 

[The Batman]

I think Finn Jones/Danny Rand gets to shine when they let him be kinda goofy. There's a scene of him and Cage in The Defenders while their in the chinese spot where I thought Finn was really good.

They need to allow for more of that with Danny's character. Play up that little kid aspect.

I agree. I feel like they don't play to Finn Jones' strengths. They make Danny this dark, brooding, overly serious guy, and it doesn't really suit Finn.

 

[TheVileOne]

I agree when Finn Jones is trying to act super serious and is like, "I am the Iron Fist!" it comes off pretty goofy and awkward.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I agree when Finn Jones is trying to act super serious and is like, "I am the Iron Fist!" it comes off pretty goofy and awkward.

That's intentional. Everyone around him thinks it's ridiculous upon meeting him.

 

[TheVileOne]

It might be intentional, but he tends to repeat it a lot to the point of absurdity. Yet him wearing a costume is too absurd.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

That's intentional. Everyone around him thinks it's ridiculous upon meeting him.

Yeah but it's not funny for the right reason.

We ,like the other Defenders, have no idea what he's talking about cause we haven't seen anything relating to his training or life in Kun'Lun.

It's no goofier than saying I'm Duncan McCloud of the clan McCloud the Highlander. Except we have seen what that title means through watching his life unfold.

 

[chamber-music]

Like Colleen said Danny is still that little kid really so when he tries to act tough it comes across like a little kid trying to sound like a big tough guy.

I agree that Finn is better at playing goofy/awkward rather than serious and somber.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Yeah but it's not funny for the right reason.

We ,like the other Defenders, have no idea what he's talking about cause we haven't seen anything relating to his training or life in Kun'Lun.

It's no goofier than saying I'm Duncan McCloud of the clan McCloud the Highlander. Except we have seen what that title means through watching his life unfold.

It might be intentional, but he tends to repeat it a lot to the point of absurdity. Yet him wearing a costume is too absurd.

These are fair points, but I don't think the performance or the actor is the issue, its the material that's been written for him. I get what they're trying to do with Danny, but on the other hand, he's standing next to Daredevil, who I personally feel is the best adapted character in the MCU to date so I can totally understand why this Iron Fist feels out of place.

 

[KevTravels]

I kinda tried not to hark too much on him since everyone has been for 5 months, but seriously who else auditioned for the role of Danny? It makes no sense for your lead to be out-acted by everyone in his own show.

Everytime he mentions Kun Lun I cringe.

I really can't imagine season 2. it needs to be retconned big time.

 

[Dark Raven]

Apparently Finn Jones wants to see the Iron Fist costume too, and says that fans need to write angry letters to Marvel:

[YT]dYFkuiLctak[/YT]

 

[Flint Marko]

Finn Jones apparently has a lot more time to prepare for the fights this time around, which is great news:

" Now, just gonna let you know, moving into Season 2 of Iron Fist, I’m actually starting my training next week. We’re at least four or five months away from shooting, so this time around, I’m being given a lot more preparation leading up to Season 2, which I think is really gonna have a huge improvement on the quality of the fight scenes in Season 2 of Iron Fist."

https://www.inverse.com/article/357...organic&utm_medium=inverse&utm_source=twitter

Really hoping they paid attention to the criticism. It seems they have given this recent bit of news and that they've replaced Buck.

 

[Dark Raven]

Finn Jones apparently has a lot more time to prepare for the fights this time around, which is great news:



https://www.inverse.com/article/357...organic&utm_medium=inverse&utm_source=twitter

Really hoping they paid attention to the criticism. It seems they have given this recent bit of news and that they've replaced Buck.

I'm hoping that the angry letters he spoke of was part of what got Buck replaced. Too late for Defenders and Inhumans though.

 

[Flint Marko]

Too late for Defenders

What's too late for the Defenders?

 

[Dark Raven]

What's too late for the Defenders?

The effects of Buck (no costume, all the ways he'd developed Iron Fist etc) was too late for Defenders, because it was already being filmed before Iron Fist was out and had its reception.

 

[Flint Marko]

The effects of Buck (no costume, all the ways he'd developed Iron Fist etc) was too late for Defenders, because it was already being filmed before Iron Fist was out and had its reception.

Gotcha. I personally felt IF was noticeably better in the Defenders in almost every way, but that might've just been because everyone was constantly belittling him.

 

[Dark Raven]

Gotcha. I personally felt IF was noticeably better in the Defenders in almost every way, but that might've just been because everyone was constantly belittling him.

On the Double Toasted review of Defenders they said that if you hadn't watched Iron Fist but just watched Defenders, you'd probably have a better view of Danny Rand than if you had watched him before in his own series. He'd come across better than in there. They also said that he should've probably just been introduced here for the first time.

I'm hoping Season 2 is a soft reboot with Danny having a different attitude to things so that he's much more ready to have a costume.

 

[KevTravels]

4 or 5 months so it looks like for sure it will begin filming by year's end or early 2018. So we will probably see it release in early 2019.