Days of Future Past Is this movie going to write the original trilogy out of existence?

[Mutant 77]

But they've be alternate versions of those characters



But if Wolverine remembers the events of the OT (as we know them) then that would be the other scenario, where those exist in a separate reality.

1- Alternate versions, but STILL those characters. 100%.

2- No. Those events will always exist in his memory and his memory only, IF both the consciousnesses would merge into one. Otherwise, even the memories will not exist anymore. Virtually speaking, the only thing left of the OT is Old 2023 Wolverine's consciousness operating in 1973 and changing the past. Very poetic.

 

[X-Maniac]

Do you think that many people will remember Wolverine's trip to the past?

In X3, Beast and Wolverine didn't seem to know each other when they met in Xavier's study.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

The biggest problem with retconning or alt universing the OT is that we end up being stuck in the past with the FC team. As much as I hate to say it, they could do with completely rebooting it and working from a modern era, even if its just to save on budget

Equally, erasing the OT and making us buy that the end of DOFP has 50 years of untold history is equally problematic for telling stories in the meantime

 

[marvelrobbins]

Jame McaVoy is the only who really needs to stay interns of story potential.

They can introduce young versions off many fan-favourites and use Man other villians than Magneto.

Part of problem Is from FC cast Jennifer Lawrence and to lesser extent Michael fassbender are considered the "Stars" just as Hugh jackman was of OT.

The ending of DOFP may make magneto and mystique disappearing problematic

And to be blunt Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness doesn't fill me with much excitement with this possibilty.

Plus the X-Men films will turn into peroid films even if they are alternate peroid films.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

And to be blunt Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness doesn't fill me with much excitement with this possibilty.

Plus the X-Men films will turn into peroid films even if they are alternate peroid films.

Those films hurt me in ways I can't explain... If that happened to X-Men... I don't know what I'd do

 

[Mutant 77]

do you think that many people will remember wolverine's trip to the past?

In x3, beast and wolverine didn't seem to know each other when they met in xavier's study.

lol They never met before!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Do you think that many people will remember Wolverine's trip to the past?

In X3, Beast and Wolverine didn't seem to know each other when they met in Xavier's study.

Wolverine had had a bullet through his head by then, so would have no recollection of any of this happening

 

[kguillou]

I think DOFP will actually enhance the previous movies rather than render them obsolete. This movie is for all intents and purposes the "real" X-men 3 we should have gotten and they're out to fix everything went wrong. This movie may actually redeem The Last Stand and make it watchable perhaps knowing that certain characters will be brought back and whatnot.

 

[henzINNIT]

I think DOFP will actually enhance the previous movies rather than render them obsolete. This movie is for all intents and purposes the "real" X-men 3 we should have gotten and they're out to fix everything went wrong. This movie may actually redeem The Last Stand and make it watchable perhaps knowing that certain characters will be brought back and whatnot.

True that. I hope it's not the end of the OT cast though.

 

[marvelrobbins]

True that. I hope it's not the end of the OT cast though.

If the wolverine hadn't been so connected to Wolverine killing jean In Last stand
you could have viewed films as FC,X-men,X2,The Wolverine,DOFP

 

[hoy-small-fry]

True that. I hope it's not the end of the OT cast though.

I hope they do another, but DOFP is already a dream come true for me.

I just don't fancy an OT film with Magneto and Mystique being good...

 

[kguillou]

True that. I hope it's not the end of the OT cast though.

Unfortunately, my friend, outside of maybe a patrick Stewart cameo I don't see the original cast coming back for anymore. I think this movie is basically their swan song, including Jackman.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Unfortunately, my friend, outside of maybe a patrick Stewart cameo I don't see the original cast coming back for anymore. I think this movie is basically their swan song, including Jackman.

It won't be Jackman's.He will be back for another Wolverine film.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Part of problem Is from FC cast Jennifer Lawrence and to lesser extent Michael fassbender are considered the "Stars" just as Hugh jackman was of OT.

The ending of DOFP may make magneto and mystique disappearing problematic

Well it'll be sad to see them go but in terms of storytelling Xavier is the only one required for the franchise, you can't have X-Men without him, but you can without Mystique and Magneto.

Between 1973 and X1 Magneto and Mystique don't have to be involved, but Xavier does

 

[Feenix]

It would probably be easier for the new timeline that Wolverine creates by going back in time to overwrite the OT (as opposed to being a brand new timeline, which would mean that there are doppelgängers of the characters). Since no one has ever accomplished time travel and we have absolutely no idea how it would work or what would happen to altered timelines, then we should assume that the writers will go with what is easiest. If they overwrite the OT, they can wash their hands of all the continuity errors. Yes, that would mean that we have no idea what events occurred between what would have been X1 to X3, but oh well. I'd rather not know than to try and reconcile the obvious errors between the movies.

 

[Mutant 77]

Wolverine had had a bullet through his head by then, so would have no recollection of any of this happening

Is this a joke?

In the original timeline, Wolverine and Beast met for the very first time in 2006. Their adventure together in 1973 NEVER happened.
Old 2023 Wolverine changed the past !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Farren]

I think DOFP will actually enhance the previous movies rather than render them obsolete. This movie is for all intents and purposes the "real" X-men 3 we should have gotten and they're out to fix everything went wrong. This movie may actually redeem The Last Stand and make it watchable perhaps knowing that certain characters will be brought back and whatnot.

I'd love to see Xavier realize what an arrogant jerk he was in TLS and tell his past self not to screw up Jean Grey like he originally had. He could actually LEARN from his previous mistakes. That certainly would make me a lot more forgiving of his characterization in TLS.

 

[Feenix]

Is this a joke?

In the original timeline, Wolverine and Beast met for the very first time in 2006. Their adventure together in 1973 NEVER happened.
Old 2023 Wolverine changed the past !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are all the exclamation points really necessary?

 

[Mutant 77]

Are all the exclamation points really necessary?

No. I'm just a bit more vocal than usual, because we've been talking about this time travelling stuff for MONTHS...

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Are all the exclamation points really necessary?

But how will we know how much he's exclaiming otherwise?

 

[Mr.M]

X-Men will always be period pieces until a complete reinterpretation. I don't have a problem with that. I'm tired of the rebooting. Time travel is more forgivable, given the inspiration here. So I don't think we need films taking place only after 2023.

What looks to be a given is that major changes in the timeline will commence. But as has been pointed out, why are they showing the 2023 ending if the next film is 1987? I guess the rule they are establishing is that the observer must return for the changes to be complete, but this would indicate parallel universes, which is worse. Otherwise, the X-Men had nothing to worry about for 50 years if everyone is alright and well, and Wolverine says "it's good to see everybody" (TV spot) in the future he returns to.

How does he meet the X-Men in the new timeline if his 1973 conscience returns and he resumes his usual life? Does Magneto still target Rogue and go through with his actions in the rest of the OT? I think such is conceivable if though highly improbable in my view.

But why does Apocalypse now wake up in 1987? What has changed since then? Or did he always wake up in 1987 in the old and new timeline? How is this going to connect to DOFP and whatever we witness in the alternate future? All questions to consider going forward.

Honestly, something like Apocalypse can't and shouldn't be present in the OT time frame. No mutant like that has ever existed in the OT, so why 1987 of all places?

I think we could still be looking at a split timeline where the FC timeline branches out from the OT timeline. Otherwise I don't see why they would spoil the alternate future if we are indeed getting a new film in the reset timeline.

Edit:I also like the notion of Age of Apocalypse being in the OT timeline itself, commencing only after the Sentinels. Maybe Apocalypse wanted to eradicate humanity and start a new breed of mutants where only the strongest mutants are selected to comprise the genetic line of future generations. Hence he may have needed the Sentinels to do his dirty work. How would he go about eliminating the Sentinels to restore mutants to power? Maybe the mutants win the war in the future and all is well. We simply don't know, but I think Sentinels are a good way to eliminate telepathic mutants. So without Sentinels, Apocalypse has to wake up earlier.

 

[magneto23]

I think we could still be looking at a split timeline where the FC timeline branches out from the OT timeline. Otherwise I don't see why they would spoil the alternate future if we are indeed getting a new film in the reset timeline.

That's what I'm worried about. Showing us the ending of this new timeline would totally take the suspense/tension out of XMA and any subsequent sequels. Wolverine's mind should exit to a changed timeline leaving behind a separate "clean slate" timeline. IMO, everything that happens post 1973 with the FC guys shouldn't lead to that changed future.

 

[Mutant 77]

How does he meet the X-Men in the new timeline if his 1973 conscience returns and he resumes his usual life? Does Magneto still target Rogue and go through with his actions in the rest of the OT? I think such is conceivable if though highly improbable in my view.

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They just added the 2023 ending to show people: 1) Wolverine managed to successfully save the future and 2) Timeline has changed and Cyclops is alive, along with all other X-Men.

Wolvering will get the Weapon X adamantium and meet the X-Men, joining the team. For new reasons. Events will play out differently from 1973 forward. We'll see... in some capacity.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think DOFP will actually enhance the previous movies rather than render them obsolete. This movie is for all intents and purposes the "real" X-men 3 we should have gotten and they're out to fix everything went wrong. This movie may actually redeem The Last Stand and make it watchable perhaps knowing that certain characters will be brought back and whatnot.

Agreed.

Plus with all the superhero movies (Marvel / DC) that was released in 1998 to 2007, are already over or obsolete EXCEPT for the original X-Men trilogy.

 

[lofoa82]

Why a new timeline has to be created? Honestly...

X1 and X2 have hinted Charles´and Erik´s knowledge about Wolverine (mostly X2, with Magneto telling Charles: "you haven´t told him about his past, have you?")... and Charles wanting Logan to let his mind "recover" by itself.

So... my assumption is... Logan DO awake on a corrected 2023 without the apocalyptic future, BUT not necessarily cancels XMW, X1, X2 and X3.

Upon Wolverine´s request, Charles can erase from his memory the incidents from DOFP, and just telling him something like: "I´ll come to you guys in time"... and wake Logan back on his place, where he was before the mind swap with his future self took place (As he did with Moira on FC).

Now, about fixing X3 "failures"...

People, Scott never died on-screen.

He could very well still be in a comma on Alkali Lake or nearby... Maybe picked up by someone (Nathaniel Essex, maybe?!). Last we know, Jean cancelled his powers, so maybe he is still on induced comma or something.

As for Jean... well... she is the Phoenix... also... was her body buried? What if her body is still on comma on the mansion, only known to a few? Jean´s conscience hasn´t trascended to a different plane as seen on The Wolverine, where she mentions to Logan: "You put me in here"... She seems to be dawdling on an astral limbo.

So for the corrected 2023, we can have the cameos of Scott and Jean, and leave people like: WTF? How come? The movie doesn´t really need to explain that. It could be further explored on a future OT movie.

Well anyway, that is my thought.