Days of Future Past Is this movie going to write the original trilogy out of existence?

[hoy-small-fry]

Yeah I would like a payoff to Xavier knowing about Wolverine, and the corrected future would do it.

Likewise we have to assume in the OT without DOFP, Xavier would never have a reason to bust out of his stupor, and Magneto would remain forever underneath the Pentagon. These events need reconciling in a split timeline

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Is this a joke?

In the original timeline, Wolverine and Beast met for the very first time in 2006. Their adventure together in 1973 NEVER happened.
Old 2023 Wolverine changed the past !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly Wolvy travels to past to cancel DOFP reality, which seems begin after Wolverine 2013.
He first met X-men, Xavier, Hank ... in original trilogy (2005-2007), but with modifying the past he meets them in 1973.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

X-Men will always be period pieces until a complete reinterpretation. I don't have a problem with that. I'm tired of the rebooting. Time travel is more forgivable, given the inspiration here. So I don't think we need films taking place only after 2023.

Imo the period settings give the X-Men something different from other CBMs. It give them flavour of presenting different eras and it gives them scope of existing throughout time and not just in the present.

Why a new timeline has to be created? Honestly...

X1 and X2 have hinted Charles´and Erik´s knowledge about Wolverine (mostly X2, with Magneto telling Charles: "you haven´t told him about his past, have you?")... and Charles wanting Logan to let his mind "recover" by itself.

So... my assumption is... Logan DO awake on a corrected 2023 without the apocalyptic future, BUT not necessarily cancels XMW, X1, X2 and X3.

Upon Wolverine´s request, Charles can erase from his memory the incidents from DOFP, and just telling him something like: "I´ll come to you guys in time"... and wake Logan back on his place, where he was before the mind swap with his future self took place (As he did with Moira on FC).

Now, about fixing X3 "failures"...

People, Scott never died on-screen.

He could very well still be in a comma on Alkali Lake or nearby... Maybe picked up by someone (Nathaniel Essex, maybe?!). Last we know, Jean cancelled his powers, so maybe he is still on induced comma or something.

As for Jean... well... she is the Phoenix... also... was her body buried? What if her body is still on comma on the mansion, only known to a few? Jean´s conscience hasn´t trascended to a different plane as seen on The Wolverine, where she mentions to Logan: "You put me in here"... She seems to be dawdling on an astral limbo.

So for the corrected 2023, we can have the cameos of Scott and Jean, and leave people like: WTF? How come? The movie doesn´t really need to explain that. It could be further explored on a future OT movie.

Well anyway, that is my thought.

Great post. They could've brought Scott back by showing a flashback of him wandering about on some other continent with no memory of who he is or something else since we didn't see him die.

If they don't end the movie with a scene of Logan being shocked to see Scott alive then that'll be a huge missed opportunity.

 

[lofoa82]

Imo the period settings give the X-Men something different from other CBMs. It give them flavour of presenting different eras and it gives them scope of existing throughout time and not just in the present.



Great post. They could've brought Scott back by showing a flashback of him wandering about on some other continent with no memory of who he is or something else since we didn't see him die.

If they don't end the movie with a scene of Logan being shocked to see Scott alive then that'll be a huge missed opportunity.

I´m with you man! I´ve been waiting for that in years!

I´m so confident Marsden is back, not only as cameo, but with a couple of lines at least.

 

[Weather Witch]

I´m with you man! I´ve been waiting for that in years!

I'm so confident Marsden is back, not only as cameo, but with a couple of lines at least.

You might be asking a bit too much here. Blink has quite a bit of screentime, but even she hardly talks.

 

[SuperT]

Imo the period settings give the X-Men something different from other CBMs. It give them flavour of presenting different eras and it gives them scope of existing throughout time and not just in the present.

Bingo. The period setting really does give the X-Men movies something to help them stand out.

The James Bond-esque tone of First Class was one of that movies best attributes. I'm hoping for that same thing with the 70's setting in DOFP.

 

[Mutant 77]

I'm under the impression "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" has been retconned out of existence, even before the time travelling alteration.

I'm under the impression "the" 1973 William Stryker is a totally different character from "the" 1975 William Stryker seen in Origins.
Pre-Adamantium Logan in 1973 was in America for very different reasons, before 2023 Wolverine would take him over.

At this point, Origins is a "What if" story. Hell, even the flashback scenes of X2 contradict it.

APOCALYPSE will tell... since it will be set in the eighties.

 

[Figs]

At this point, Origins is a "What if" story. Hell, even the flashback scenes of X2 contradict it.

APOCALYPSE will tell... since it will be set in the eighties.

If Jackman even returns. He said he's done with the character and will only do the next solo Wolverine film if the script is truly great.

I choose to ignore Origins from continuity and I hope a lot of the events from X3 are fixed by the end of DoFP.

 

[henzINNIT]

Why a new timeline has to be created? Honestly...

X1 and X2 have hinted Charles´and Erik´s knowledge about Wolverine (mostly X2, with Magneto telling Charles: "you haven´t told him about his past, have you?")... and Charles wanting Logan to let his mind "recover" by itself.

So... my assumption is... Logan DO awake on a corrected 2023 without the apocalyptic future, BUT not necessarily cancels XMW, X1, X2 and X3.

Upon Wolverine´s request, Charles can erase from his memory the incidents from DOFP, and just telling him something like: "I´ll come to you guys in time"... and wake Logan back on his place, where he was before the mind swap with his future self took place (As he did with Moira on FC).

Now, about fixing X3 "failures"...

People, Scott never died on-screen.

He could very well still be in a comma on Alkali Lake or nearby... Maybe picked up by someone (Nathaniel Essex, maybe?!). Last we know, Jean cancelled his powers, so maybe he is still on induced comma or something.

As for Jean... well... she is the Phoenix... also... was her body buried? What if her body is still on comma on the mansion, only known to a few? Jean´s conscience hasn´t trascended to a different plane as seen on The Wolverine, where she mentions to Logan: "You put me in here"... She seems to be dawdling on an astral limbo.

So for the corrected 2023, we can have the cameos of Scott and Jean, and leave people like: WTF? How come? The movie doesn´t really need to explain that. It could be further explored on a future OT movie.

Well anyway, that is my thought.

The Logan thing could happen, but what will really strain continuity is following films set between DOFP and X1. Apocalypse sounds like it's going to be world-shattering stuff and won't neatly segway into the low-key mutant issues of the OT. There's an issue of Singer wanting to introduce characters like Nightcrawler as well.

 

[lofoa82]

The Logan thing could happen, but what will really strain continuity is following films set between DOFP and X1. Apocalypse sounds like it's going to be world-shattering stuff and won't neatly segway into the low-key mutant issues of the OT. There's an issue of Singer wanting to introduce characters like Nightcrawler as well.

You're so full of... rightness.

I wonder what they have in mind for XM:A


I can't wait for DOFP to be released and start getting tidbits about XM:A


I'm not kidding with the following... I have faith in God. And honest truth, I'm very thankful to be alive and watch DOFP! Never been this excited before for a movie! Maybe The Dark Knight Rises coming second....

 

[hoy-small-fry]

I really hope that any set-up work for Apocalypse is done in a stinger and doesn't impact on DOFP. There's enough crazy timeline altering going on without adding him into the mix!

 

[marvelrobbins]

Based on screening information

Spoiler

Yes it will

It appears the purpose of Days of future Past was to In long terms was

Spoiler

1:Use original cast to create more Intrest In second part of first class Trilogy
2o a better sendoff to cast from trilogy than the Last Stand did which includes bringing back james Marsden and Famke Janssen
3:Wipe the trilogy and wolverine films from contunity so future FC sequels and any X-Men spin-offs don't have to go by anything that went down In X-Men,X2,Last Stand,Origins,The Wolverine

 

[Mr.M]

So basically the timeline is splitting and nothing will be consistent? I find that hard to believe, but if that's what Singer want, that what we are going to get.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Spoiler

from screening information the non FC films are erased so with exception of third wolverine films any spin-offs or X-Men sequels will be In past where the events of trilogy and wolverine films are Ilrelvent

 

[Mr.M]

But what evidence has been provided in the film? Obviously the ending is evidence enough, but I'd still need to see the entire context of the film.

 

[Tymminator]

The X-Men: Apocalypse wil be interesting, but so will all future X-Men movies they make after the current trilogy is done.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Saw this on IMDB

Lauren Shueller Donner has said after DOFP we can forget about last stand and
Origins but problem Is the other good X-Men films-X-Men,X2,The wolverine are likely ignored from now on.

I understand what your saying but once you watch the film you'll realize that the other films are still there and not erased. The way they did it was magical. I don't want to spoil anything unless you want to know further.

Can't wait to see what he means

 

[danoyse]

I agree with that. Without going into spoiler territory, while there may be a *new* timeline thanks to DOFP, it wouldn't be possible without the original timeline existing, so it's not erased from existence. It had to happen in order for the new timeline to happen.

The way that it's done is amazing.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Don't tell me though.


-Edit: Alright tell me

---Edit: Uggh, nope i don't want to know.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

It was totally necessary, because the OT cast is considered too old by Fox to continue leading a franchise long into the forseeable future. They want new, younger actors who have more road ahead of them in the age department, but they didn't want to reboot the series.

By establishing a new timeline, not only are the old films still relevant, but now they films to come don't have to play in the box that the old films made. If XM:A had to play by the rules of X1, for example, you couldn't see Cyclops/Storm/Wolverine (etc) again without setting things post-TLS, which they don't want to do. When you find yourself a loophole in continuity, however (like resetting the timeline), you now can do whatever you want.

That's exactly what I wanted, because frankly, the first two films didn't capture the comic anywhere near as much as I wanted, and now those films don't have to stranglehold the franchise to their conventions any longer. We very well could get colorful costumes, Shi'ar Empire (etc) now, because it's a new ball game.

The box made by Singer's first two films were necessary at the time, given the state of comic book films. But as Marvel Studios rasied the celing on how faithful you can be, the X-Men films were in danger of seeming tame, now they can start to approach to the scope of the comics.

 

[TWayneP]

I agree with that. Without going into spoiler territory, while there may be a *new* timeline thanks to DOFP, it wouldn't be possible without the original timeline existing, so it's not erased from existence. It had to happen in order for the new timeline to happen.

The way that it's done is amazing.

Yes, the way its handled is perfect. The more I think about it with each passing day the more genius it is to me.

I mean, I can't think of any other way I would have done it, so Im 100% happy. I just wish I had more people to debate about it with! Cant wait until the 23rd!

 

[marvelrobbins]

It was totally necessary, because the OT cast is considered too old by Fox to continue leading a franchise long into the forseeable future. They want new, younger actors who have more road ahead of them in the age department, but they didn't want to reboot the series.

By establishing a new timeline, not only are the old films still relevant, but now they films to come don't have to play in the box that the old films made. If XM:A had to play by the rules of X1, for example, you couldn't see Cyclops/Storm/Wolverine (etc) again without setting things post-TLS, which they don't want to do. When you find yourself a loophole in continuity, however (like resetting the timeline), you now can do whatever you want.

That's exactly what I wanted, because frankly, the first two films didn't capture the comic anywhere near as much as I wanted, and now those films don't have to stranglehold the franchise to their conventions any longer. We very well could get colorful costumes, Shi'ar Empire (etc) now, because it's a new ball game.

The box made by Singer's first two films were necessary at the time, given the state of comic book films. But as Marvel Studios rasied the celing on how faithful you can be, the X-Men films were in danger of seeming tame, now they can start to approach to the scope of the comics.

I understand you may want more colorful costumes but I don't want space stuff like the shiar anywhere near the films.

Once nothing Is consent with Earlier films besides Hugh jackman Is pllaying wolverine you might as well call It a reboot because it's basiclly the same thing.

I am of mind that if nothing in non-FC films are being ahide too or they don't matter In Contunity then no they are aren't very relvent.

My concern Is ending of DOFP will make me feel like i did with Star Trek Into darkness and news that Bob Orci will direct next trek films after critizing fanas who critized Into Darkness.

 

[danoyse]

Yes, the way its handled is perfect. The more I think about it with each passing day the more genius it is to me.

I mean, I can't think of any other way I would have done it, so Im 100% happy. I just wish I had more people to debate about it with! Cant wait until the 23rd!

I felt like I knew how it was going to end going in, but it turned out not be what I thought it would be at all. It was actually better.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I understand you may want more colorful costumes but I don't want space stuff like the shiar anywhere near the films.

It's part-and-parcel of the X-Men comics. I'd understand avoiding it if it were one storyline or something, but the outer space stuff has been a fairly regular factor of X-Men comics since 1980 with the Pheonix Saga.

Honestly, though X-Men's biggest theme has been the fight against prejudice, it's important to be able to do different things with any franchise, to occasionally tell a different type of story. It keeps things fresh. Besides, there's something still thematically interesting about the X-Men in space... the idea that this group that has to deal with so much guff on their planet for being different... sometimes plays around in an arena where they're not the weirdest thing around, and are only a drop in the ocean of existence.

X-Men films shouldn't regularly take place in outer space, I agree, but the occasional journey into the Shi'ar Empire, the Brood, the Savage Land or even Asteroid M are things on my list of expectations of any adaptation of X-Men. The same with more colorful costumes and Wolverine's mask.

I don't mean to dip into eliteist "true fan" territory, but this statement is gonna kind of reek of it: anything that's a major factor of a franchise should be accepted by any "fan." The space stuff could be sprawling, interesting Star Wars-y type of stuff. Don't knock it 'til they try it.

I mean, all I'm saying is when one of (if not 'the') most revered X-Men stories of all time involves an alien empire trying to control a radical space entity that controls one of the core cast members, it's hard to scoff at the importance of the outer space stuff to that franchise. I'd even submit that back when X2 came out, many probably scoffed at the idea of doing the Sentinels or time travel, and look where we are on that now. Sure, things like Mojo and Arcade would be too wild in the films, but the space stuff is far from that... and is inexorably tied into some of the best and more prominant X-Men storylines of all time. Cyclops' father is a Han Solo-type space hero, for God's sake.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why a new timeline has to be created? Honestly...

Ever heard of the butterfly effect, obviously in ttheir time travel rule, when someone goes to the past and changes things, things will change in the present. Obviously Wolverine caused a lot of butterfly effect going to 1973. They could explain more about the changes in the new timeline but I don't think its really needed.