The Amazing Spider-Man J Jonah Jameson in the Reboot

[OrbWeaver]

There will only be three films though. It's been confirmed twice already.

Things change. Trust me, if this franchise kills at the box office, they'll keep making movies.

 

[terry78]

JJJ basically hates him because of a Freudian reason. That's what it boils down to. But on the flip side as gruff and self serving as he is, he can be a nice guy when need be. I liked in SM1 when he didn't even think twice about not selling out Parker to Goblin when he asked.

 

[OrbWeaver]

Yes he did. Like I said in my last post, one of the earliest Spidey comics dealt with this. ASM#10.
And there are plenty of other instances in the comics as well.
Tragic event? No. But when you've got a huge chip on your shoulder, from a character standpoint, it's good to have a reason, and even better if it's one that can at least be sympathized with.
Yes he does. But it's because, as his reasoning in ASM #10 and other issues points out, he does so because he wants to knock Spider-Man down so he can feel better about himself. He also believes (at last publicly) that Spider-Man thinks he is better than everyone else and his actions are nothing more than him flaunting his superiority and that his battles are either staged, or that the bad guys wouldn't exist if Spider-Man wasn't around.

Dude, I'm not arguing with you about the jealousy angle. That actually makes perfect sense as an underlying reason why Jameson doesn't like Spidey. I'm talking about the ridiculous motivation of, "I hate all people who wear masks because a guy in a mask shot my wife." What does he do on Halloween, lock himself in a closet?

 

[Spider-Who?]

Well, you DID say that Stan Lee has never given JJJ a reason to hate Spidey, and your own reason was wrong. I was correcting that, not arguing.

As far as the cartoon's reasoning, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it, but based on your halloween jab, I think you might be missing the point.

It's not the literal act of wearing a mask that he hates, it's the mindset and actions of someone who thinks their anonymity gives them the right to do what they want regardless of the law or consequences. The mask is just a metaphor for that. And that's just one of the reasons given in the cartoon (the others being what I've mentioned previously).

 

[OrbWeaver]

Well, you DID say that Stan Lee has never given JJJ a reason to hate Spidey, and your own reason was wrong. I was correcting that, not arguing.

Telling me I'm wrong isn't arguing?

What I meant by my previous statement was that Stan never felt the need to concoct some hokey story from Jonah's past to explain his hatred for Spidey, or people in masks in general.

As far as the cartoon's reasoning, you're certainly entitled to your opinion of it, but based on your halloween jab, I think you might be missing the point.

It's not the literal act of wearing a mask that he hates, it's the mindset and actions of someone who thinks their anonymity gives them the right to do what they want regardless of the law or consequences. The mask is just a metaphor for that. And that's just one of the reasons given in the cartoon (the others being what I've mentioned previously).

In other words, he hates vigilantes. OK, I'll buy that. Once again, it's the "single traumatic motivating event" that I think is lame. If you disagree, fine. Can we get past this now?

 

[Oscorp]

JJJ basically hates him because of a Freudian reason. That's what it boils down to. But on the flip side as gruff and self serving as he is, he can be a nice guy when need be. I liked in SM1 when he didn't even think twice about not selling out Parker to Goblin when he asked.

I really liked that as well! One of my favourite scenes! I like that Jonah may be a horrible person towards Spider-Man, but still has moral and is a good guy deep inside.

By the way, I don't want Jonah's wife to be murdered. I like in the comics that he has a wife.

There is in one comic where Spidey swings past Jonah's office and looks inside and notices how Jonah looks older and more fragile. It's pretty late as well. Instead of mocking him, as Spidey usually does, he instead gives him a friendly advice to get some rest and spend some time with his wife instead of working late. Jonah, very surprised by this, goes from angry (as a, for him, natural reaction when seeing Spidey) to reflecting about what Spidey actually said and goes home, kissing his wife or something.

That's just a great scene IMO that I'd love to see in a movie sometime, in ASM3 maybe.

 

[the amazing fro]

I've never been a fan of the "masks" angle. I think a mixture of underlying jealousy and a strong distaste for vigilantes works best.

 

[Oscorp]

I've never been a fan of the "masks" angle. I think a mixture of underlying jealousy and a strong distaste for vigilantes works best.

I agree!

Lots of people seem to forget that alot of people would be like that in reality. There is really no need for a traumatic event like that. The lack of such would rather make Jonah mirror the everyday person in a better way. Most people dislike vigilantes without having suffered from a traumatic thing. That would make Jonah much more interesting, at least in my opinion.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Telling me I'm wrong isn't arguing?

No more than when a teacher puts an x on an incorrect answer in a test.

What I meant by my previous statement was that Stan never felt the need to concoct some hokey story from Jonah's past to explain his hatred for Spidey, or people in masks in general.

In other words, he hates vigilantes. OK, I'll buy that. Once again, it's the "single traumatic motivating event" that I think is lame. If you disagree, fine. Can we get past this now?

Then you need to learn to express yourself better, because based on every other post concerning this topic, that isn't what you were saying at all. Especially considering, as I stated in earlier posts about this, the "reason" you latched onto hating is neither his only reason in the cartoon, but it is also based on events from the comics (his first wife was killed by a mugger, or in JJJ's words, someone who thought they were "above the law"). That's all. Just because I was correcting you doesn't mean I was trying to attack or provoke, so there isn't a need to get antsy. Cool?

Lots of people seem to forget that alot of people would be like that in reality. There is really no need for a traumatic event like that. The lack of such would rather make Jonah mirror the everyday person in a better way. Most people dislike vigilantes without having suffered from a traumatic thing. That would make Jonah much more interesting, at least in my opinion.

In the cartoon, it wasn't that his wife was killed by a masked gunman, and now suddenly hates vigilantes as a result. It's the idea that he hates people who think they are not bound by the law (on either side of it), and anyone who is afraid to show their face or remain anonymous is hiding something and therefore can't be trusted - which is still pretty accurate to the comics, but I get your point.

By the way, I don't want Jonah's wife to be murdered. I like in the comics that he has a wife.

Jonah actually is a widower. His first wife (and mother of John) was killed by a mugger in the comics. He didn't marry his second wife until ASM#150-something.

There is in one comic where Spidey swings past Jonah's office and looks inside and notices how Jonah looks older and more fragile. It's pretty late as well. Instead of mocking him, as Spidey usually does, he instead gives him a friendly advice to get some rest and spend some time with his wife instead of working late. Jonah, very surprised by this, goes from angry (as a, for him, natural reaction when seeing Spidey) to reflecting about what Spidey actually said and goes home, kissing his wife or something.

That's just a great scene IMO that I'd love to see in a movie sometime, in ASM3 maybe.

Sounds like a great scene. Do you know which issue that's from?

 

[Oscorp]

Jonah actually is a widower. His first wife (and mother of John) was killed by a mugger in the comics. He didn't marry his second wife until ASM#150-something.



Sounds like a great scene. Do you know which issue that's from?

Oh! Lack of knowledge from my part then!

I can't find the cover of the comic on the Internet, but it's from the later 90's, where Chameleon escapes from Ravencroft by fooling Dr. Kafka and John Jameson (shooting him as well). He then drugs Spidey and makes him believe that he's not Peter Parker, but somebody entirely different. Peter quickly gets his senses back though and beats him until Chameleon manages to escape from him, just to pathetically fall on the ground in front of Kraven's (?) feet. Also, Jameson, who we thought would have died, survived thanks to a bullet proof jacket but Jack 'o Lantern, who had stalked him for a while, tortures him by holding a hot, melting candle above his face.

There's also a nice bit where Peter, MJ, Flash and another girl (can't remember who) hangs out and Flash seems upset and depressed. When Flash doesn't let Peter talk to him about it, Peter returns in his Spidey suit instead and gives Flash lots of lessons about life, to not see yourself as a victim but rather do something about it yourself.

Really cool issue if you ask me! However, the dialogue is a little too simple and corny at times.

EDIT: Might actually be from the 00's, now that I think about it!

 

[Anno_Domini]

Things change. Trust me, if this franchise kills at the box office, they'll keep making movies.

Because Raimi's trilogy was such a dud at the box office or that the worst film of the series made the most money? Lol.

 

[Thwip!]

like Spider-who pointed out (love the name btw )

 

[Spider-Who?]

Heh, thanks

 

[SpaceWay2009]

like Spider-who pointed out (love the name btw )

When was this said?

 

[Spidey_62]

When was this said?

Amazing Spider-Man #10.

 

[Thwip!]

Amazing Spider-Man #10.

which can be found easily and beautifully reproduced in Marvel Masterworks: Amazing spider-man vol 1

 

[Radioactive]

like Spider-who pointed out (love the name btw )

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

I recall that very well. It's a shame that very few SM fans know the true reason behind JJJ's "hatred" (jealousy) towards Spider-Man!

 

[OrbWeaver]

No more than when a teacher puts an x on an incorrect answer in a test.

Then you need to learn to express yourself better.

Yes, Teacher. Please don't make me stay after class.

Sheesh, you really need to get off your high horse there, Mr. Perfect. I've been a professional writer for 25 years and I sure as heck don't need any lessons from you on how to properly express myself.

That isn't what you were saying at all.

That's where you're wrong, Pal. Go back and look at my original comment that started this debate. All I said was that the mask thing was a lame retcon.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

which can be found easily and beautifully reproduced in Marvel Masterworks: Amazing spider-man vol 1

Agreed. It's a great way to be able to enjoy all those older comics as a hard copy and with a reasonable price tag.

 

[Thwip!]

Agreed. It's a great way to be able to enjoy all those older comics as a hard copy and with a reasonable price tag.

Definitely, i love them. And the Spidey Vault too was a very neat acquisition

 

[Spider-Who?]

Yes, Teacher. Please don't make me stay after class.

It was an analogy. Nothing more.

Sheesh, you really need to get off your high horse there, Mr. Perfect.

Dude, whats the with unneccesary hostility? All I’ve done is try and give you accurate information. Like I said before, I wasn’t and am not trying to argue. Again, I’m not saying your emotional response to the “retcon” is wrong - who am I to pass judgment on a person’s opinion? – just that the information that brings you to that conclusion is either wrong or only partially understood. I’m sorry, but if you can’t handle that, it’s not my problem.

That's where you're wrong, Pal. Go back and look at my original comment that started this debate. All I said was that the mask thing was a lame retcon.

I wasn’t referring to your initial statement, but your comment about Stan Lee not writing any reasons for JJJ’s feelings. You stated very clearly that Stan Lee never gave a reason for JJJ's hatred, and that JJJ just hated him, "period". Then, when I addressed that with examples (Stan Lee DID write reasons and JJJ DID have a wife murdered; the only thing the cartoon did was bridge the gap a little bit to make it simpler for the kids), you backpedalled instead, which is what I was addressing.

On a sidenote, I actually work like 10 minutes outside of Reston. Small world, lol.

Which can be found easily and beautifully reproduced in Marvel Masterworks: Amazing spider-man vol 1.

I’ve always been iffy about getting the older collections…none of them (that I’ve seen) have been in color which is a big turn off for me. I’m assuming by your description the Masterworks is in color?

 

[OrbWeaver]

who am I to pass judgment on a person’s opinion?

Finally, you say something I agree with.

Dude, whats the with unneccesary hostility? All I’ve done is try and give you accurate information.

For the record, I don't feel any hostility toward you. I am, however growing weary of your condescending and superior tone. I made a simple statement about my opinion and since then all you seem to want to do is badger me into agreeing with you.

For god's sake man, let it go.

 

[Spider-Who?]

whatever man. I've been nothing like that, but you're welcome to imagine whaever it is that makes you feel better.

 

[Thwip!]

I’ve always been iffy about getting the older collections…none of them (that I’ve seen) have been in color which is a big turn off for me. I’m assuming by your description the Masterworks is in color?

yep they're in colour, though i knw what u mean bout the black and white ones. The masterworks though are beautiful