James Cameron's Sequel to "AVATAR" - Part 1

[DarthSkywalker]

The only thing I really remember from Avatar is waiting the awesome baddie to kill the knowing heroes.

 

[DA_Champion]

"I'm the king of the world" is memorable.

 

[Lord]

"I'm the king of the world" is memorable.

Plenty of scenes in Titanic were memorable, i think Avatar's the one that doesn't realy have all that many memorable parts.

 

[Victarion]

The only thing I remember off hand is Jake taming the dragon thing, and thinking, wow this is exactly like The Eternal Champion, but without Jake leading the Na'vi in a genocide against the human race.

 

[Rocketman]

I think Avatar isn't memorable because it's a story/scenario that we've seen hundreds of times, in Pocahontas, Dances with Wolves, The Last Samurai, the list goes on. It was just presented in a unique way. It's not that it's a forgettable film, it's just that we've seen it so many times that we don't NEED to remember it.

This isn't a knock against the film, by the way. I don't like Avatar, but my dislike for it has nothing to do with the themes or the rehashed story. It's a classic story. Pretty much any story written for the screen is based loosely on Shakespeare. There isn't a movie out there that can't be traced back to him in some way; that doesn't mean he was a bad writer - it means the opposite. People say there are only 7 stories you can tell, and it's true.

I just hope 2, 3, & 4 bring something exceptionally new to the table. Even if it's a rehash of another classic story, I hope it's something other than "The good guy switches sides after he falls in love with enemy's princess."

 

[Lord]

Shakespeare? Don't you think that's a bit of an exageration? All around the world there were other talented writers all around the world besides him, some even preceded him, maybe they're not as remembered due to not having written in English i guess. He was one of the greatest writers, but many of the archetypes atributed to his stories were not his original creations, he mostly took from various other sources or even works and did them his way, pretty much what most writers still do nowadays, the difference is that now, we somehow say he invented all the classic types of stories, when that isn't realy the case.

 

[terry78]

Shakespeare is remembered because he was English and that's what most of western pop culture relates to.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Maybe, but I hear plenty of talk of other big films like Star Wars, LotR, Harry Potter, Twylight, Hunger Games, Terminator, Predator, Alien etc maybe because some of them have been around longer or are more current. But then the all comic films too and all the above with the general population. Even smaller films like Mission Impossible, Die Hard, Star Trek, the Bournes, James Bonds seem to get talked about a lot more than the biggest all time film which has 3 sequels currently in development!

Well in many of those cases they have deep rooted fanbases and a lot of them are also very popular in another medium as well, however I think the strongest difference is that Avatar was a big deal as a whole with the world Cameron created and the groundbreaking 3D, but I think most would be of the view that the lead characters were not very memorable and didn't create the investment that the other franchises you mentioned have.

 

[Victarion]

The majority of those you list Iceman come with a built-in fanbase. However, Alien, Terminator and Predator have the advantage of more memorable characters. As HR says.

 

[Lord]

James Cameron also waited long before unleashing an entire Avatar Expanded universe, i mean, there's some book prequels being planned for years, no comics were published, which i think has to do with Cameron wanting to expand upon the movies before letting hte likes of Dark Horse create more stories, and then you have the video games, which i believe he mentioned being very disappointed with.

 

[LuvSupes]

One off (so far) films like Goodfellas, Inception, Independence Day, and many of the classic Disney films, even bloody Frozen.. and indeed Titanic (which was on the original list ) seem to get brought up more.

Of these, in my circle of interactions, I can easily say Avatar comes up in conversation more than Goodfellas (zero mentions), and Independence Day (one mention), Inception (one mention) and most classic Disney films (well this is an established brand but zero mentions until the Lion King rerelease). Although lots for Finding Nemo and Frozen, Frozen though is still a pretty recent film.

Titanic and Finding Nemo are really the only two that I see mentioned which again is a pretty short list.

 

[Iceman]

Well in many of those cases they have deep rooted fanbases and a lot of them are also very popular in another medium as well, however I think the strongest difference is that Avatar was a big deal as a whole with the world Cameron created and the groundbreaking 3D, but I think most would be of the view that the lead characters were not very memorable and didn't create the investment that the other franchises you mentioned have.

True, I guess half of them were popular books which had had impact regardless of the film. Probably right on lead characters, even if they were likeable they aren't as memorable as some of the protagonists and main villains of the series that have endured the most. I'm all for groundbreaking effects and hope Cameron looks to push the boat further on that front while changing the story up enough to keep everything fresh.

Of these, in my circle of interactions, I can easily say Avatar comes up in conversation more than Goodfellas (zero mentions), and Independence Day (one mention), Inception (one mention) and most classic Disney films (well this is an established brand but zero mentions until the Lion King rerelease). Although lots for Finding Nemo and Frozen, Frozen though is still a pretty recent film.

Titanic and Finding Nemo are really the only two that I see mentioned which again is a pretty short list.

Goes back to your earlier point that it obviously varies a lot depending on someone's circle. Hardly heard Nemo mentioned myself but Goodfellas tonnes of times. But like I said in the last post I don't disagree with your point. Hopefully when it comes to the Avatar sequels it has a universal lasting impact.

 

[Rocketman]

Just for the sake of discussion, the movies I hear mentioned in everyday life, unequivocally, are:

Forrest Gump
The Godfather
Fight Club
Office Space
Titanic
The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers
The Matrix
The Silence of the Lambs
The Big Lebowski
Anchorman
Inception

I have yet to see ANY movies discussed, quoted, or argued about as much as these in pop culture or random public settings. For all intents and purposes, they're probably the most popular films ever.

 

[Lord]

Just for the sake of discussion, the movies I hear mentioned in everyday life, unequivocally, are:

Forrest Gump
The Godfather
Fight Club
Office Space
Titanic
The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers
The Matrix
The Silence of the Lambs
The Big Lebowski
Anchorman
Inception

I have yet to see ANY movies discussed, quoted, or argued about as much as these in pop culture or random public settings. For all intents and purposes, they're probably the most popular films ever.

Office Space and Anchorman? Are you sure? Many people don't even know those movies exists IMAO.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I like James Cameron but Avatar is a forgettable movie that is very, overrated. I am surprised critics praised the movie considering they would BLAST any other movie with such a generic/cliche plot. What's worse is that the movie takes like 3 hours to tell that cliche plot. REALLY??!!!! The only reason the movie is relevant is because of the visual effects and use of 3D. I honestly have no interest in seeing sequels. And really they have waited to long for anyone to really care if you ask me. Didn't the first one come out in like 2009?

 

[coolmovies]

You all will be changing your tune when the first trailer of avatar 2 comes out. 100% guarantee

 

[ShadowBoxer]

You all will be changing your tune when the first trailer of avatar 2 comes out. 100% guarantee

I can't speak for everyone else, but the only way I would go see Avatar 2 is if the plot is actually interesting and somewhat new. Not just a visual effects and 3D showcase. If it's just another three hour movie with a plot that you can piece together within the first ten mins, I will PASS.

 

[:eek:]

Funny how people talks about how thte Avatar-sequels need to have an interesting and somewhat new story. How many other upcoming blockbuster-wannabees will that? Surely not any superhero-movie at least. Superhero(es) fights supervillain(s) to stop villain(s) plan(s). That really all there is. Saw Guardians of the Galaxy on DVD the other day. That was as far away from a new, interesting plot you can get.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't know. I still love Cameron, and I think he always has this spirit and ability to prove people wrong time and again. That's why I'm keeping my mouth shut.

I must say though, boy oh boy, I don't know why he's obsessed with Pandora. Like he wants the Na'vi to be real when he talks about it. He kinda outdo Lucas in that department. I don't know if it's just pure passion, or self-indulgence.

 

[Victarion]

Whatever it is that Cameron's got, passion or self-indulgence or both, I do hope it keeps him from following Lucas's footsteps. If you watch the Makin-Of for TPM, George looks pretty tired with scant enthusiasm for the project. I wouldn't want to see Cameron in this state of being while working on his movies.

 

[Lord]

Cameron seems to always be excited for his projects, even when they're a bit self-indulgent, he's not exactly the kind of Director to sit around all day bored out of his mind like Lucas seemed to end up.

 

[Iceman]

I love that Cameron is so into his projects. It's a shame though as a lot of my favourite directors have lost some of their edge as they've aged.

 

[Apollo]

I thought it was a great film. I am looking forward to the sequels.

 

[coolmovies]

Funny how people talks about how thte Avatar-sequels need to have an interesting and somewhat new story. How many other upcoming blockbuster-wannabees will that? Surely not any superhero-movie at least. Superhero(es) fights supervillain(s) to stop villain(s) plan(s). That really all there is. Saw Guardians of the Galaxy on DVD the other day. That was as far away from a new, interesting plot you can get.

This.

I LOVE MCU , but let's face it they don't have original, groundbreaking story telling. It all depends on executing a tried and tested story in a fresh way. He did it with Avatar. Won't be surprised if he does it again. I for one am interested in what will he cook up as far as CGI, visuals and action is concerned. Avatar was ****ing amazing in those areas.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I can't speak for everyone else, but the only way I would go see Avatar 2 is if the plot is actually interesting and somewhat new. Not just a visual effects and 3D showcase. If it's just another three hour movie with a plot that you can piece together within the first ten mins, I will PASS.

lol, yeah right.