Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 10

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[Majik1387]

Everything in all the comic movies pretty much happen in the comics...........with minor/major changes in adaptation from page to screen.

 

[Snow Queen]

I can't wait until this film comes out so this theory can be buried finally.

 

[Majik1387]

Buried or validated. It's a toss up.

 

[regwec]

You seriously assess the odds at 50/50?

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yep

 

[Majik1387]

You seriously assess the odds at 50/50?

Honestly, yeah. And no matter which way it goes, I'm still happy either way.

 

[Snow Queen]

Buried or validated. It's a toss up.

Buried. Not validated, buried.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm am so going to say "I told you so" when this theory turns out to be false. I am going to really rub it in everyone's faces.

 

[Majik1387]

Buried. Not validated, buried.

As in conversation buried because theory could be validated.

I'm am so going to say "I told you so" when this theory turns out to be false. I am going to really rub it in everyone's faces.

Phelicia's back.

I've heard this before when a good amount of us supported Cavill for Superman; I've heard it personally myself when I supported Amy Adams for Lois Lane prior to talks of her casting. I'll just say I wasn't the one with egg on my face.

 

[Snow Queen]

As in conversation buried because theory could be validated.

The theory that Jason Todd is a Joker played by someone older than the actor playing Batman because it happened in a reviled graphic novel, he's got a J on his cheek and a line in the Batman v Superman trailer twisted to fit this theory? This is going to be one of those theories we look back on in a few years and laugh about.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Phelicia's back.

I can't resist. I have a problem.

 

[Juke Box Hero]

Buried. Not validated, buried.

 

[Juke Box Hero]

This has really gotten out of control.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Until, it's buried...it won't end

 

[Juke Box Hero]

The depths fanboys will go to make excuses for things they don't like, sheesh. This is almost as bad as the (brief) theory that Eisenberg was playing Alexander Luthor Jr., lawd.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Buried or validated. It's a toss up.

There is no toss up.


And for the record Majik, you're a great debater and I respect that.

 

[Majik1387]

The theory that Jason Todd is a Joker played by someone older than the actor playing Batman because it happened in a reviled graphic novel, he's got a J on his cheek and a line in the Batman v Superman trailer twisted to fit this theory? This is going to be one of those theories we look back on in a few years and laugh about.

First, Dick Grayson or Jason Todd can possibly be Joker, played by an actor who looks younger than he is, supported by the same DC Elseworld Affleck's Batman is mostly being adapted from, with a J on his cheek in the same spot Jason Todd has it in Arkham Knight, with dialogue that can entirely represent the backstory. Yes.

And if it doesn't happen, yes I agree, we can all laugh about it, however, unlike a lot of fan theories, this one actually has material from DC comics and entertainment to back it up.

I can't resist. I have a problem.

It's all good. We all need this sometimes.

This has really gotten out of control.

Not really, from what I've gathered, it's the anti-Robin Jokers overreacting as opposed to those of us who understand it is an honest possibility.

 

[regwec]

It is an honest possibility that all of this is just a dream.

And an attractive thought.

 

[Boom]

Well, give me a day or so and I'll come up with a precedent for it

But right now...He's what we have.

"Twenty years in Gotham... how many good guys are left?"
"How many stay that way?"

Then it cuts to Joker's scribbles, that happen to be on Robin's costume, that happen to have holes in two spots, that coincidentally happen to be in the positions that Leto has marks on his body...

That line could just as easily suggest that Robin's death at the hands of The Joker pushed Batman to becoming the cynical, more-violent Batman we meet in BvS. Taken at face value, the line simply suggests that Gotham has a corrupting effect on people. It takes what sense of morality and virtue you have and crushes it. Such as your arch nemesis murdering your partner/foster child and you feeling responsible for it.

The trailers have been pushing the fact that this Batman is more jaded.

"That's how it starts. The fever... the rage... the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel."
"This bat vigilante is like a one-man reign of terror."
"He is not our enemy."
"He has the power to wipe out the entire human race. And we have to destroy him."

Bruce's line about "twenty years in Gotham" could very easily follow Alfred's line about "the fever." Alfred commenting on Bruce's cruelty, to which Bruce responds with justification for being that way. Twenty years in Gotham - witnesses atrocities and horrors that few can fathom. Is it really all that surprising that he's become more cynical during that time?

As for the Joker's marks? Pull up the best quality version of that photo. Those don't even closely resemble scar tissue, especially deep-tissue scars that bullet holes and meat hooks would leave. It simply looks like paint - perhaps from them applying the tattoos on Leto's body. The higher the definition, the more visual scrutiny can be placed on a photo. Hell, when Nicholson's Joker first reveals himself, he has purple paint on his neck. There's no story reason behind it. It's simply a makeup goof.

Besides, there's clearly a bullet hole on the abdomen of Robin's suit, among many other scratches and punctures. Where's the scar on Leto's stomach, or anywhere else that the Robin suit had been damaged?

 

[Snow Queen]

First, Dick Grayson or Jason Todd can possibly be Joker, played by an actor who looks younger than he is, supported by the same DC Elseworld Affleck's Batman is mostly being adapted from, with a J on his cheek in the same spot Jason Todd has it in Arkham Knight, with dialogue that can entirely represent the backstory. Yes.

And if it doesn't happen, yes I agree, we can all laugh about it, however, unlike a lot of fan theories, this one actually has material from DC comics and entertainment to back it up.

Affleck's Batman has largely been pulled from The Dark Knight Returns of course, an important and beloved graphic novel and Snyder's favourite. The Dark Knight Strikes Again, meanwhile, is despised.

 

[Majik1387]

That line could just as easily suggest that Robin's death at the hands of The Joker pushed Batman to becoming the cynical, more-violent Batman we meet in BvS. Taken at face value, the line simply suggests that Gotham has a corrupting effect on people. It takes what sense of morality and virtue you have and crushes it. Such as your arch nemesis murdering your partner/foster child and you feeling responsible for it.

The trailers have been pushing the fact that this Batman is more jaded.

"That's how it starts. The fever... the rage... the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel."
"This bat vigilante is like a one-man reign of terror."
"He is not our enemy."
"He has the power to wipe out the entire human race. And we have to destroy him."

Bruce's line about "twenty years in Gotham" could very easily follow Alfred's line about "the fever." Alfred commenting on Bruce's cruelty, to which Bruce responds with justification for being that way. Twenty years in Gotham - witnesses atrocities and horrors that few can fathom. Is it really all that surprising that he's become more cynical during that time?

All of this is an entirely strong possibility as well.

As for the Joker's marks? Pull up the best quality version of that photo. Those don't even closely resemble scar tissue, especially deep-tissue scars that bullet holes and meat hooks would leave. It simply looks like paint - perhaps from them applying the tattoos on Leto's body. The higher the definition, the more visual scrutiny can be placed on a photo. Hell, when Nicholson's Joker first reveals himself, he has purple paint on his neck. There's no story reason behind it. It's simply a makeup goof.

Like I've already said, I can agree the scratches, or whatever they are, are not bullet scars.

Besides, there's clearly a bullet hole on the abdomen of Robin's suit, among many other scratches and punctures. Where's the scar on Leto's stomach, or anywhere else that the Robin suit had been damaged?

Leto's shirtless Joker pic stops at the top of the abdomen, not showing them. And what little of the top of the abdomen we can see is covered in tattoos.

 

[Majik1387]

Affleck's Batman has largely been pulled from The Dark Knight Returns of course, an important and beloved graphic novel and Snyder's favourite. The Dark Knight Strikes Again, meanwhile, is despised.

Didn't say it wasn't despised, however, even in some of the worst comic stories, there can be hidden gems of ideas to use in more respected media. And again, TDKSA is not the only Robin as Joker/villain, it only adds to the fact that a Robin becoming Joker is not so out there for DC.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Meh, the "how many good guy are left, how many stayed that way" line is about Harvey Dent.