Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - Part 15

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The Joker isn't necessarily supposed to be funny I don't think. He's The Joker because he makes a joke out of serious things. He finds people's pain funny, for example.
 
Does anyone remember when the Joker told jokes?

Both Ledger and Leto seemed to be trying too hard to be scary in my opinion.

I personally find the Mark Hamill esq performance more interesting. He's a clown who constantly makes jokes, doesn't take anything seriously and has a funny voice. Which makes it all the more scary when he randomly brutally murders a bunch of people without breaking his stride.

I don't know, I'm just a bit tired of the "look at how crazy I am, I'm using my scary voice aren't I so menacing" Joker interpretation.

LOL...

Ledger was hilarious, with great dark comedy ala Mr. Robot/BrBa/Sopranos.

The whole bank robbery, his intro laugh, The Magic Trick, "Yes", Why So Seriousx3, his line about letting Rachel go (out the window), his stuff with Gordon in the cell, most of the interrogation/Batman scene in the cell, The nurse outfit, his lines to Harvey in the hospital, Lau on top of the money/when he burns it, and the double bomb twist. Those were all steeped in comedy while being horrific situations. Which is what the Joker is all about.

The closest Leto ever got to that was when he broke into the WI building, the Common scene, and maybe the [original] finale when he does the "Buh-Bye" thing that got cut.
 
The Joker isn't necessarily supposed to be funny I don't think. He's The Joker because he makes a joke out of serious things. He finds people's pain funny, for example.

Disagree. Joker is supposed to be funny and charismatic. That's part of the reason why he's resonated with so many people, and why he's considered to be one of the greatest villains of all time.
 
Hamill is way too overrated. I looooovvvve Hamill, I grew up watching his Joker. But no, other actors do not need to be taking cues from him. The Joker does not have to be funny. This isn't a comedy and he isn't a comedian. He's a homicidal mass murdering nihilist.

Ledger & Leto weren't trying too hard to be scary, that's just ridiculous.

This is the same as those people who claim good horror movies need to have the right blend of comedy to be awesome. No, no, no, no, no.

Nowhere am I saying that the film needs to be a comedy or that Joker needs to be a comedian. I'm just saying that a person who you genuinely wouldn't expect to be such a brutal murdering psycopath is more interesting than the more standard "I'm so crazy" type of performance we have been getting.

LOL...

Ledger was hilarious, with great dark comedy ala Mr. Robot/BrBa/Sopranos.

The whole bank robbery, his intro laugh, The Magic Trick, "Yes", Why So Seriousx3, his line about letting Rachel go (out the window), his stuff with Gordon in the cell, most of the interrogation/Batman scene in the cell, The nurse outfit, his lines to Harvey in the hospital, Lau on top of the money/when he burns it, and the double bomb twist. Those were all steeped in comedy while being horrific situations. Which is what the Joker is all about.

The closest Leto ever got to that was when he broke into the WI building, the Common scene, and maybe the [original] finale when he does the "Buh-Bye" thing that got cut.


And I'm not saying Ledger wasn't a great performance either, clearly it was, it's just not what I personally want from the Joker.
 
Aaaand now we're in "not muh character"territory, which is effete discussions go to die.
 
The Joker isn't necessarily supposed to be funny I don't think. He's The Joker because he makes a joke out of serious things. He finds people's pain funny, for example.

Spot on.

There hasn't ever been any golden rule about him having to be funny. There's nothing funny about The Killing Joke, there's nothing funny about The Dark Knight Returns and there's nothing funny about Death of the Family or Endgame.
 
Disagree. Joker is supposed to be funny and charismatic. That's part of the reason why he's resonated with so many people, and why he's considered to be one of the greatest villains of all time.

Charismatic and magnetic sure... but again, not necessarily funny. He's a monster at the end of the day. We shouldn't be laughing along with him.

I thought Leto's Joker was charismatic and magnetic when he was on screen. There was something oddly fascinating about him. But again I don't think we can properly judge this interpretation until we see him as a proper antagonist and a major player in the story.
 
Aaaand now we're in "not muh character"territory, which is effete discussions go to die.

Is there something wrong with having a preference to how a character is portrayed?

I'm probably over thinking it and just rambling about my thoughts anyway, so if it bothers you just ignore me.
 
Charismatic and magnetic sure... but again, not necessarily funny. He's a monster at the end of the day. We shouldn't be laughing along with him.

I thought Leto's Joker was charismatic and magnetic when he was on screen. There was something oddly fascinating about him. But again I don't think we can properly judge this interpretation until we see him as a proper antagonist and a major player in the story.

Joker's philosophy can be summed up in one sentence "Jokes on you".

Joker laughs at everything, he doesn't make others laugh at him, intentionally.
 
Preference? Nope. But when you describe your preference as the definitive interpretation of a character then there's something wrong.

Show me where I said that what I was talking about was the only true and definitive version of the character.

All I said was it was more interesting to me personally.
 
Exactly. Joker finds the **** he does funny... we shouldn't really.
 
Show me where I said that what I was talking about was the only true and definitive version of the character.

All I said was it was more interesting to me personally.

I wasnt even pointing those comments at you, rather at a previous poster.

For the record I as well like a more adult and violent BTAS type Joker.
 
Exactly. Joker finds the **** he does funny... we shouldn't really.

I don't want to be the "Why can't everything be Under the Red Hood" type of fan, but I think this is a pretty good example of how the things Joker does can be both funny and disturbing at the same time.

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Again, I'm probably just rambling and posting stream of consciousness rubbish but it's just what I'm thinking about at the moment. I just see a difference between this type of Joker and the Leto/Ledger type of Joker. Less to do with whether the audience laughs at him or not, more to do with just his general demeanor. He's not putting on a gravelly, threatening voice "Oh I'm not gonna kill you" style. He's just talking. And the juxtaposition between that and his actions is what makes him interesting to me.

I wasnt even pointing those comments at you, rather at a previous poster.

For the record I as well like a more adult and violent BTAS type Joker.

My mistake then, sorry.
 
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Well yea maybe a kinda horrified awkward laugh. Like how you laugh at a Tarantino movie.
 
The "magic trick" in TDK was hilarious, and it also demonstrated how messed up and sinister he can be.

I say that I laugh at the Joker the same way I laugh at black comedies. Of course, Joker crosses the line a lot of the time (reminding the audience how evil he is), but there is a bit of dark humor "levity" to him as well.
 
I liked how the security guard was killed with a exploding gift basket and I hope to see more stuff like that if Joker is in the solo Batman movie.
 
I know some *****ed about him actually loving Harley, but I view it as more of him marking his territory. He made her, she is his property. Nobody else messes with his ****.

People can choose to ***** all they want about how The Joker would never care to get Harley back, or that they turned him into a lovey dovey teddy bear in the film. However, the film essentially leaves it completely ambiguous (maybe to a fault thanks to the edits) as to how he truly feels about her or why he wants to get her back. It's not like he's ever seen professing his deep love for her, crying over her, begging for her, letting her boss him around, etc.

I posted this the other day, but as far as what's presented in the film, we're left to imagine that The Joker views Harley as any one of these things:

His Toy: Joker sees Harley as his creation, and one of his most special ones. He broke Harley apart and remade her into his own image and continues to manipulate and bend her to his will, delighting in watching her strive to please him. When Joker is bored, he can play games with Harley and she will always play back, willingly and with pleasure. He can hurt her and draw her back to him with well-chosen words and deeds. He knows that every time Harley makes an effort to break away it is simply a matter of twisting the screws in the precise way to have her groveling once more.

His Mirror Image: Harley, in both her insane devotion and her adoration of him, is a mirror to The Joker's ego. Highly narcissistic, Harley would provide proof to him of his own genius and brilliance; both in the very fact of her existence and because she willingly tells him so and fervently believes it herself. Similar to above, a Joker in a funk could take one look at Harley and start chuckling again as she stares at him with wide, adoring doe-eyes. Harley is his, body and soul, and that must be immensely gratifying to someone as egotistical as The Joker, especially considering the ease with which he controls her.

His Loved One: Not in any normal, healthy way. But in his way, as much as he is capable of. Some fans feel that “love” is too strong a word for The Joker. Nonetheless, he mights feel some sort of affectionate emotion towards him. Her uniqueness in response to him penetrated something very deep and buried within Joker's psyche and brought it back to life; a faint glimmer of tenderness consumed by layers of darkness and depravity.


We never really see flashbacks of the two of them alone or behind closed doors (aside from the psych session chemical bath). We don't know whether he used to beat the **** out of her and abuse her, or treated her like a princess. We are, however, shown that The Joker is dangerous murderer who manipulates her to help him escape from Arkham. We see her objectified and dancing erotically in his club like a stripper, before The Joker pushes her onto 'Monster T' like a weirdo. We see The Joker leave her to die and to be captured by Batman after their car is driven over a bridge and into the water. Harley's "title card" in her intro says that she "admitted" to killing Robin, which obviously indicates that she either took the fall for Robin's murder in an effort to protect The Joker, or that he framed her for the murder. Beyond that, the whole Joker/Harley subplot is centered around him trying to break her out of custody and lead her back into a life of crime, on the run from the law -- which is clearly the wrong thing for Harley to do in terms of what's best for her.

So even with all the juicy, abusive material of their darker moments that was sadly cut from the film, it's still not as if the film presents their relationship as this perfectly PC, healthy, normal romance. Most of the "romanticism" of their relationship in the film comes from Harley's side, how she feels about him, and how she views their relationship in both reality and in her fantasy.
 
The "magic trick" in TDK was hilarious, and it also demonstrated how messed up and sinister he can be.

I say that I laugh at the Joker the same way I laugh at black comedies. Of course, Joker crosses the line a lot of the time (reminding the audience how evil he is), but there is a bit of dark humor "levity" to him as well.

Thats one of my problems with Leto, nothing he does in the movie was funny, not even in a dark humor kind of way, hell, not even subtle humor, like Heath at Bruce's party in TDK, where he just takes a wine glass, throws it all away and still drinks it, that gets me every time.
 
I thought holding out his hand so the guard could kiss his papal rang was funny. I can't dock many points off because his screentime was so damn limited.
 
I thought holding out his hand so the guard could kiss his papal rang was funny. I can't dock many points off because his screentime was so damn limited.

Very Godfather-esque. :woot:
 
Has anyone seen the list of deleted scenes posted? Good lord... :(
 
Yeah, Joker may look like a clown but by rights he shouldnt really be funny; I mean, according to TKJ he supposedly sucked when he was a stand-up comedian. Anywhoo, I liked this movie version. He's back to being a crime boss again; only a highly charismatic super-villain crime boss who's less Al Capone and more a virtual force of nature.
 
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