Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - Part 15

[Donner]

The scene with him laughing in his circle of knives and **** reminded me of the pretentious BS that Snyder tries to pass off in his movies as "creative" and "deep."

It was just the Joker laughing around knives. So he's crazy? Yeah, got that. It didn't develop his character any. It was just weird.

 

[Timebomb]

Joker was completely pointless in this. You might as well have just debuted him [blackout]in the credits sequence.[/blackout]

EDIT: What Elektra said above.

Agree. Just want a different Joker.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

The scene with him laughing in his circle of knives and **** reminded me of the pretentious BS that Snyder tries to pass off in his movies as "creative" and "deep."

It was just the Joker laughing around knives. So he's crazy? Yeah, got that. It didn't develop his character any. It was just weird.

And what the hell was the black sharpie around his mouth about?

 

[Timebomb]

I always thought, naively I guess, that the Joker was a character you couldn't screw up. In my mind anyway there's no more perfect a character for an actor to be given than The Joker, so much room to play with. Given everyone's reaction I guess I thought wrong.

First things first. Don't have damaged tattooed on his forehead (tattoos for that matter) and no grill

 

[Bats123]

The scene with him laughing in his circle of knives and **** reminded me of the pretentious BS that Snyder tries to pass off in his movies as "creative" and "deep."

It was just the Joker laughing around knives. So he's crazy? Yeah, got that. It didn't develop his character any. It was just weird.

speaking of laughs, i kinda liked his, but Ledger's still sends chills down my spine, Leto's seemed more playful.

 

[Boom]

I say ditch the tattoos and grillz and essentially start from scratch with the Batman film.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

I haven't seen it yet, and I'm going to see it with a completely open mind, I've learned that with CBMs my taste is a bit different, but it's a bit disheartening to hear Leto's Joker missed the mark for so many people. When I first heard the casting and saw the photos, I didn't think much of it, but that "I'm just gonna hurt ya" scene from the first CC trailer really gave me hope that he was gonna knock it outta the park. That was such a great trailer, had little interest in a SS movie before I saw it, and after, I couldn't wait.

 

[Timebomb]

I say ditch the tattoos and grillz and essentially start from scratch with the Batman film.

I hope they do. I really do.

 

[Man in the Suit]

The scene with him laughing in his circle of knives and **** reminded me of the pretentious BS that Snyder tries to pass off in his movies as "creative" and "deep."

It was just the Joker laughing around knives. So he's crazy? Yeah, got that. It didn't develop his character any. It was just weird.

If anyone is wondering, David Ayer says he was inspired by Pink Floyd's The Wall.

 

[Spiderine]

Im not sure if it was so much the "performance" or his purpose in this film. Other than to serve as Harley's back story and add to the damaged layers of her character his scenes often felt out of place in the narrative of the film itself.

I just kept getting the feeling they wanted to establish how insane he was and let the audience know this is our Joker and just watch what he does in the next film when he plays a bigger role. Fell flat to me.

 

[Timebomb]

Not a good introduction for me if I never want to see him again.

 

[Boom]

A lot of the performance felt cliche. Like it was rather amateurish in its depiction of a crazy person. It's not all that dissimilar to what Eisenberg did with Luthor, although it is a tad bit more appropriate here.

But yeah. Leto was basically screaming "Look how crazy I am!" half the time. Very little nuance to the performance.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

I say ditch the tattoos and grillz and essentially start from scratch with the Batman film.

I thought the same when I first saw them, I just had a different vision for Joker, but I've since come around to really appreciate this take, or at least the idea of it, having this wild, manic, flamboyant psychopath who is inspired by the gang lords and cartel leaders, with the flashy outfits and accessories, he seems like this psycho career criminal who sees himself like a rock star. The Damaged forehead tat was the main one that I didn't like at first, but I have come to appreciate even that


I was just so stuck on the Ledger anarchist idea, but I came to really like this crime lord version who makes money, runs things, and has the respect of the underworld. The thing about Ledger, he's a good Joker to just come out of nowhere and cause complete chaos, but people would stop following him after some time. But, the Leto interpretation makes more sense for a guy who's been around for 20 years (or whatever it was), yet people still follow him and take him serious as a boss, though he's a complete psycho.


I also liked that Leto's Joker seemed like this manic, showy, flashy guy who genuinely enjoys what he does because he gets a kick out of it, like some wild, unpredictable nutcase who is jacked on Crystal meth 24/7. He looks like he loves what he does, so I came to accept the different interpretation because he still stays true to the core of Joker as a character. Really hate to hear that he wasn't that impressive to a lot of people.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

The scene with him laughing in his circle of knives and **** reminded me of the pretentious BS that Snyder tries to pass off in his movies as "creative" and "deep."

It was just the Joker laughing around knives. So he's crazy? Yeah, got that. It didn't develop his character any. It was just weird.

I'll have to wait and see it in the context of the film, but the quick snippet I saw in the trailer, I thought it was a visually cool image, but yeah wtf was he supposed to be doing there lol

 

[Flint Marko]

If anyone is wondering, David Ayer says he was inspired by Pink Floyd's The Wall.

This actually proves Elektra's point even further. Snyder consistently mistakes recurring visual motifs/references in his film as good story-telling when in fact it typically amounts to nothing more than meaningless window dressing. Not saying Ayer was doing that exactly, but I'm sick of hearing what inspired certain themes or scenes that ultimately did nothing other than look interesting.

 

[PacificBoy]

That was a visually stunning shot, but without any context to it the Joker came off as a bit of a wannabe.

 

[FunkMiller]

Thanks man, but there's not much to analyze with Letoker. He was a wafer thin character who just wanted to find his gf. There was no meat to his character.

Somebody - I presume Ayer - sat down and seriously thought that this would be a good motivation for the Joker to have in a movie. The Joker.

 

[Boom]

It works well enough if you operate under the notion that he wants her back mainly because someone took her from him. That possessiveness falls in line with the character.

 

[Wise]

Leto's Joker isn't terrible, it's just underwhelming.

I actually wouldn't mind if the old fan theory that this is Jason Todd turned out to be true now. It would actually explain why the character seems to be trying too hard to be Jokerlike, Because he's emulating.

Then bring in the real Joker and Lex Luthor Sr. and we can get some real villains in the DCEU.

 

[AnneFan]

It works well enough if you operate under the notion that he wants her back mainly because someone took her from him. That possessiveness falls in line with the character.

It nonetheless is one note and safe. Neither which the Joker should be.

 

[miltonh]

I honestly dont know how to feel about Leto, there are a couple scenes where i was like "oh yeah thats Joker" but most of it was...odd, like when

Spoiler

he's purring at Ike Barinholtz and then he straddles him and starts touching his face

i turned to my friend and went "what the **** was that?" and maybe its just me but his line delivery sounded a little unnatural and forced at times, specifically in the scene where

Spoiler

he talks to Harley in the transport helicopter

idk there was just something...off about his dialogue.

The helicopter scene was a part of reshoots so maybe that's why.

 

[Wildcard]

I say ditch the tattoos and grillz and essentially start from scratch with the Batman film.

Never thought I'd be saying this but I hope they stick with the given design. Although, I wouldn't be shocked if they changed some things for the solo film and going forward.

 

[AnneFan]

Chopping up scenes like the "really, really bad" moment was unacceptable. We saw it all in the trailers. If the film slowed down and took a breath to actually coherently explore the content, I'd be a little happier.

 

[PacificBoy]

I get the impression the scenes with him and Harley were deliberately cut to make it look like one of those shipping YouTube music video montages for the Tumblr crowd. "Make their relationship crazy sexy cool".

 

[idiot09]

I don't really feel the need to compare them because what makes the Joker so great is how malleable he is as a character and how open to interpretation he is. I obviously love Heath Ledger's Joker, this twisted personification of chaos who seemingly comes from nowhere and exists purely to point out everything you care about and believe in is a joke. I love Nicholson's Joker, the mob boss and "homicidal artist". And I love what Ledger and Ayer did. I found him to a really cool contemporary conception of a Clown Prince of Crime. Felt the danger coming off of him. Looking forward to more.

Agreed.