Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[BH/HHH]

Everyone I know who watched Suicide Squad like Leto as the Joker. I'm talking about friends and people at work.

 

[The Joker]

What we think of Letoker ...

Nicholson and Ledger's takes on the character would eat this love sick, ghetto Joker for breakfast.

Well hardcore Batman fans is where the respect would actually be earned. Just like the love and admiration Nicholson, Hamill, and Ledger earned. Through production, not method acting hype.

Exactly.

 

[Boom]

My girlfriend liked him.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I didn't dislike him. I just thought he didn't add anything to the movie and it would have been the same basic movie without him with the added bonus of it being a shorter movie by about 5 or so minutes.

 

[MasterChief2829]

Everyone I know who watched Suicide Squad like Leto as the Joker. I'm talking about friends and people at work.

Yeah and we all lamented at the fact that he wasn't in it much after the hype and all the scenes in trailers that wern't in >.<

 

[Wildcard]

Yeah and we all lamented at the fact that he wasn't in it much after the hype and all the scenes in trailers that wern't in >.<

Same with everyone I know. I thought maybe they'd be taken back by the new design but half didn't even really notice and the other half thought it was a nice update.

 

[harlequinade]

I just told you the reason why. Her character was a CGI'ed voice modulated entity. She barely got to do any real acting in the part. It was like Thomas Haden Church in SM-3 when he played Sandman. He spent most of that movie as a CGI sand storm or sand moster. He hardly got to do any acting.

Whereas Letoker was all there dishing out a bad performance in all his scenes.



Nobody cared a toss about his method acting enough to hate the chracter. In fact the only mocking that came from that after the movie was people couldn't figure out why he did all those things to his cast mates when he never shared a scene with any of them except Harley.

The Blade Runner announcement came after SS was released and people had already made up their minds after judging what they saw in the movie.

Furthermore if there was a general bias against Leto then he wouldn't only be getting his first Razzie nomination this late in his career. Haters would have nominated him a long time ago. Probably more than once, too.

No, people were mocking him about the dead pig, the condoms, all the method stuff way before the movie was released. And he didn't get Razzie nominations before because he didn't really act that much lately, he went all method for DBC but that was a great performance and a great movie.

 

[The Joker]

No, people were mocking him about the dead pig, the condoms, all the method stuff way before the movie was released. And he didn't get Razzie nominations before because he didn't really act that much lately, he went all method for DBC but that was a great performance and a great movie.

Mocking stupid gross actions like that doesn't make people biased. Anyone would be mocked for doing those things. That goes for any *****ebag antics on set.

For example Christian Bale got a lot of heat and hate for that infamous recorded rant on the set of Terminator Salvation. That went viral and he was getting loads of flak for it. It was even being discussed on TV. Really hurt his rep. But he wasn't even nominated for a Razzie for TS, in spite of the bad PR he got for the rant as well as the movie under performing at the box office and getting critically slammed, because his performance was not bad. A year later he won an Academy Award and a Golden Globe for The Fighter, a performance that is one of his most popular and acclaimed. A good or decent performance always does overcome anything like that. Doesn't matter how stupid, or how much of an a-hole an actor or actress is on set. If they deliver a decent performance then people don't care. Leto didn't for SS.

The Razzies have been around since before Leto started his career. If there has always been a bias against him he'd have been nominated long ago. Multiple times.

 

[MasterChief2829]

No, people were mocking him about the dead pig, the condoms, all the method stuff way before the movie was released. And he didn't get Razzie nominations before because he didn't really act that much lately, he went all method for DBC but that was a great performance and a great movie.

The cast enjoyed that stuff and some even mentioned getting Jared to sign some of the ****. People really shouldn't judge unless they are part of the set. A lot of **** exaggerated in media too and Jared ended up having to clarify there was a lot of fake stuff going around.

 

[Wildcard]

^ Yeah, like people are still mentioning condoms that didn't ever get sent to anyone.

 

[DeadStroke]

Yeah and we all lamented at the fact that he wasn't in it much after the hype and all the scenes in trailers that wern't in >.<

I don't think Ayer overhyping him did him any favors.

 

[Bruce Malone]

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[Wildcard]

I don't think Ayer overhyping him did him any favors.

Ayer, WB & everyone else. Seemed like Jared was just there doing his thing and everyone else went out of their way to overhype it, only to stiff him during the editing process.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Ledger had insane hype prior to The Dark Knight's debut and indeed even before his death but he did deliver in the final product.

 

[DeadStroke]

Ayer, WB & everyone else. Seemed like Jared was just there doing his thing and everyone else went out of their way to overhype it, only to stiff him during the editing process.

I still come back to this...

Why were cast and crew in awe and suddenly there isn't that much material?

Also why choose the final cut of "Really bad" and not the one from the Comic Con?

I hear that Leto's way of acting out scenes were a very long process. That he portrayed very different takes of the Joker throughout each take/scene. So much so that it went beyond the page. Is it possible they picked some of the "quicker takes" of his scenes to get it done?

Just seems like the wrong place, wrong time thing going on with Leto and this movie.

Part of that is on him for not having a clear vision. Part of that is on Ayer for not getting control of the situation.

 

[Wildcard]

I still come back to this...

Why were cast and crew in awe and suddenly there isn't that much material?

Also why choose the final cut of "Really bad" and not the one from the Comic Con?

I hear that Leto's way of acting out scenes were a very long process. That he portrayed very different takes of the Joker throughout each take/scene. So much so that it went beyond the page. Is it possible they picked some of the "quicker takes" of his scenes to get it done?

Just seems like the wrong place, wrong time thing going on with Leto and this movie.

Part of that is on him for not having a clear vision. Part of that is on Ayer for not getting control of the situation.

That's what I've always thought, that they picked the shorter and simpler takes over the ones he provided that gave more depth to his Joker. I've heard the exact same thing, and even the behind the scenes footage supports this given how differently some scenes sound in them.

Even though some blame falls on Leto and some on Ayer for the reasons you stated, it largely falls on WB for encouraging Ayer to have a CGI ridden ending rather than giving him more time. If Ayer had more time, I think he would've came to the realization (sooner) that Joker would fit better as the primary antagonist.

Simply put, they used Leto and the audience. They had him get deep into character, doing all this work, and then hyped us up just to cut him out. And I get that, it's a SS story, not a Joker story. But again, all parties involved would've benefitted from him being the antagonist rather than Enchantress and Incubus.

 

[King23DC]

Ledger had insane hype prior to The Dark Knight's debut and indeed even before his death but he did deliver in the final product.

I was on set ALOT given it filmed where I live in Chicago. And not far from where I worked. Met most of the heavy hitters. Nolan, Bale, Oldman, Murphy, Roven, and the costume designers. From April to late August 2007.

And everyone I spoke with on set. Technical people, costume designers, and even the actual actors. They all told me what Heath was doing was riveting, incredible and absolutely terrifying. Even got to wave at him and see him wave back after he filmed the bank robbery prologue.

He had hype well before his death in Jan 2008. After the first trailer hit in December, people were all:



The look. The acting. The voice. The real world take on the character within the gritty Batman Begins landscape. It all clicked. Zeitgeist stuff. So people who claim the hype just came from his death are dead wrong.

And he actually exceeded the hype in the final finished product. The movie as a whole surpassed it too. Which makes it easily the greatest movie in the sub genre ever. By far. Greatest hero on screen vs greatest villain on screen. With nothing but superb acting, directing, cinematography, score and scripting around it. Visually, just euphoric.

Yes, Ledger kept a "Joker diary" and fooled around with voices studying up for the role for a month or two leading up to filming. But on set, he skateboarded around, and was just normal, down to earth, lovable, quirky Heath Ledger.

Leto however, the exact opposite. This *****e did this whole moronic, method acting that was unnecessary that irked coworkers, and at times was down right disgusting as a person.

Met with manufactured via himself, tremendous hype. Only to deliver the worst Joker performance ever. Absolutely cheesy, and embarrassing.

Hunka Hunka

Or the edited

"Wanna be my friend?!"

Jesus he got so into character, and couldn't even improvise a character that should be utterly terrifying. Instead?

Cringe. Just cringe. Leto's Joker looks like he should be an errand boy for Gambol's crew in TDK. Which Ledger's Joker eviscerated, and made piss their pants.

 

[Wildcard]

We get it, you love Heath's Joker.

 

[King23DC]

We get it, you love Heath's Joker.

I wasn't replying to you? So why are you on my d? Take your Hot Topic Joker inferiority complex elsewhere. Leto blows. Ayer sucks. The take on the character in suicide squad is an out and out embarrassment.

 

[The Joker]

Ok King, tone it down. No need to get hostile. It's just a fictional character we're discussing here.

 

[Wildcard]

I wasn't replying to you? So why are you on my d? Take your Hot Topic Joker inferiority complex elsewhere. Leto blows. Ayer sucks. The take on the character in suicide squad is an out and out embarrassment.

The Joker is right, you're getting way too worked up over a fictional character to the point that you're responding in the most asinine way possible. Calm. Down.


Joker isn't real, take a breath, it's okay for other people to disagree with you on the performance of a particular actor. That's life.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Joker isn't real?

Right... and next you'll be telling me Donald Trump was elected President

 

[Wildcard]

Joker isn't real?

Right... and next you'll be telling me Donald Trump was elected President

 

[DeadStroke]

Joker isn't real?

Right... and next you'll be telling me Donald Trump was elected President

Has anyone seen Donald Trump and The Dark Knight's Joker in the same room before? Hmm.

 

[Wildcard]

Eh, he's not smart enough to be TDK Joker or any Joker for that matter...and I'd rather we not ruin this thread talking about Orange Man.