Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 6

[Manofplastic]

there ya go

better?

 

[Flint Marko]

So let me guess... You have bought into the school of thought that the only way to do a Cinematic Universe of heroes is to do establishing solo films for each important hero before uniting them in a big event film ala the Avengers, and that DC is just rushing things by adding more heroes with no establishing movies for them and hastily building their universe in an attempt to catch up to Marvel?

Nope.
I've said for quite some time now, even before BvS was announced, that I would love to have seen a world's finest movie. Everyone already knows Batman and Superman, you could easily shuffle past their origins if need be and get to the good stuff and people would turn out in droves to see it. So I was pretty excited about BvS when it was announced, especially since I did not like Man of Steel.
However, I don't know if I'm onboard for a Batman vs Superman movie that features not only Lex Luthor and the rest of Superman's cast from his previous movie, but Wonder Woman, the Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, on top of who knows what else. That seems like it might be too much.
Not to mention the fact that every insider report from WW flat out says they are "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks", as I said in my previous post. These same reports say there isn't anybody in charge of setting up and containing a universe, which I suspected all along. That is a must in something like this. So given this information, does it not make sense that some of us have our reservations about their slate?
For the record I've always said how excited I am about BvS, and especially SS. I love the cast and concept of Suicide Squad and I'm definitely looking forward to it, no matter how dumb the Joker might end up looking. You can brush my concerns aside and call me a "Marvel fanboy" because of my avatar, I make no effort to hide my love for the MCU, but I'm an adult. I don't buy the "Marvel vs DC" stuff. I grew up reading and loving Spider-man, Batman, The Avengers, Green Lantern, etc. I simply think Marvel is doing a better job of maintaining a universe. Is that fair to say?
But I just read that a DC artist said on twitter that he heard the Joker picture might actually be fake. I wonder why he would say that?

 

[Angel0fDeath]

there ya go

better?

Not perma-white enough.

 

[QueenChaos]

*twiddles thumbs*

 

[DeadPresident]

Nope.
I've said for quite some time now, even before BvS was announced, that I would love to have seen a world's finest movie. Everyone already knows Batman and Superman, you could easily shuffle past their origins if need be and get to the good stuff and people would turn out in droves to see it. So I was pretty excited about BvS when it was announced, especially since I did not like Man of Steel.
However, I don't know if I'm onboard for a Batman vs Superman movie that features not only Lex Luthor and the rest of Superman's cast from his previous movie, but Wonder Woman, the Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, on top of who knows what else. That seems like it might be too much.
Not to mention the fact that every insider report from WW flat out says they are "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks", as I said in my previous post. These same reports say there isn't anybody in charge of setting up and containing a universe, which I suspected all along. That is a must in something like this. So given this information, does it not make sense that some of us have our reservations about their slate?
For the record I've always said how excited I am about BvS, and especially SS. I love the cast and concept of Suicide Squad and I'm definitely looking forward to it, no matter how dumb the Joker might end up looking. You can brush my concerns aside and call me a "Marvel fanboy" because of my avatar, I make no effort to hide my love for the MCU, but I'm an adult. I don't buy the "Marvel vs DC" stuff. I grew up reading and loving Spider-man, Batman, The Avengers, Green Lantern, etc. I simply think Marvel is doing a better job of maintaining a universe. Is that fair to say?
But I just read that a DC artist said on twitter that he heard the Joker picture might actually be fake. I wonder why he would say that?

The WW thing is being conveniently framed in a way to make it sound negative. "Throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks" is how some people choose to frame it, when maybe they're testing different ideas because they're not sure about the best way to approach it.

I'm pretty sure being cautious about putting the best product out is preferable to choosing the first thing that comes along just so they can seem to "have it all figured out". There are legitimate things to be concerned about in regards to BvS and SS, but there's a prevailing trend to make everything that WB choose to do seem as though it can only be down to incompetence or not caring enough. And that trend is perpetuated down from publications and sites down to the fan base.

I'm also hesitant to say one person deciding how to structure a universe is a "must".

 

[The Shape]

However, I don't know if I'm onboard for a Batman vs Superman movie that features not only Lex Luthor and the rest of Superman's cast from his previous movie, but Wonder Woman, the Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman, on top of who knows what else. That seems like it might be too much.

There is no evidence that The Flash is in BvS (I highly doubt that he is), aside from rumors that he would make a cameo appearance much like Aquaman's appearance is assumed to be.

Since the MCU has been known to play with cameos and brief appearances since it began, I wouldn't think you would view this as a problem.

Not to mention the fact that every insider report from WW flat out says they are "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks", as I said in my previous post.

Literally one "report" said that...

These same reports say there isn't anybody in charge of setting up and containing a universe, which I suspected all along. That is a must in something like this. So given this information, does it not make sense that some of us have our reservations about their slate?

The report you are referencing from THR is filled with unconfirmed heresay and supposed industry gossip from unnamed sources and people "close to the process". It reminded me of the kind of article you'd read in People magazine. If you want to put stock into an article like that, you're welcome to it.

The content of that article was later regurgitated by a Forbes contributor in what was essentially an op-ed piece.

I simply think Marvel is doing a better job of maintaining a universe. Is that fair to say?

You're welcome to say whatever you like, but no, I don't think that's fair to say.

The reason why it's not a fair statement is because DC does not yet have a film universe to maintain...You're comparing a studio with nearly a dozen films out over a period of several years to a studio that has one film out and several films in development. I don't even know how or why anyone would think they could compare the universes at this point, or at least how well DC's has been "maintained".

It sounds like you're making a snap judgment before you've ever seen any of the other DC films beyond Man of Steel. Not only have you not seen these films, but aside from BvS, we don't know about the casts and stories for these upcoming films, nor have we seen pictures or footage. Pretty absurd, if you ask me.

We all know that DC is taking on a slightly different approach to their shared universe, and if you aren't willing to wait to see how it actually works out before passing judgement, that's a shame.

 

[Boom]

But I just read that a DC artist said on twitter that he heard the Joker picture might actually be fake. I wonder why he would say that?

I doubt he knows anything. Hell, he could have heard it from the same "insider reports" we've read.

Or maybe he was being sarcastic. Who knows?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Am I the only think that thinks Joker will be in a multiple of outfits in the movie?

 

[Flint Marko]

There is no evidence that The Flash is in BvS (I highly doubt that he is), aside from rumors that he would make a cameo appearance much like Aquaman's appearance is assumed to be.

Since the MCU has been known to play with cameos and brief appearances since it began, I wouldn't think you would view this as a problem.




Literally one "report" said that...





The report you are referencing from THR is filled with unconfirmed heresay and supposed industry gossip from unnamed sources and people "close to the process". It reminded me of the kind of article you'd read in People magazine. If you want to put stock into an article like that, you're welcome to it.

The content of that article was later regurgitated by a Forbes contributor in what was essentially an op-ed piece.






You're welcome to say whatever you like, but no, I don't think that's fair to say.

The reason why it's not a fair statement is because DC does not yet have a film universe to maintain...You're comparing a studio with nearly a dozen films out over a period of several years to a studio that has one film out and several films in development. I don't even know how or why anyone would think they could compare the universes at this point, or at least how well DC's has been "maintained".

It sounds like you're making a snap judgment before you've ever seen any of the other DC films beyond Man of Steel. Not only have you not seen these films, but aside from BvS, we don't know about the casts and stories for these upcoming films, nor have we seen pictures or footage. Pretty absurd, if you ask me.

We all know that DC is taking on a slightly different approach to their shared universe, and if you aren't willing to wait to see how it actually works out before passing judgement, that's a shame.

You're right about the Flash, I now remember that was just a rumor from a few months back.
But it's somewhat comparable to how it was with the reports from the Fantastic Four. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Those were brushed aside as "rumors" and "hearsay" for months, but there ended up being some truth to it. I don't doubt there's truth to this as well.
And you underestimate how much I disliked MoS. That was a pretty lackluster first outing that left me pretty disappointed.
Time will tell, maybe I am speaking too hastily. Maybe what's going on behind the scenes right now is nowhere near as bad as the reports would indicate, and their approach pays off and gives us a great, varied universe with a lot of awesome films. That's totally within the cards, I'm not going to deny that. But I haven't seen a reason yet to believe that to be the case, so I'm not going to get my hopes up.

 

[John-An]

Am I the only think that thinks Joker will be in a multiple of outfits in the movie?

Yeah I think that too. And this one is only other character he's playing.

there ya go

better?

Nice

Not perma-white enough.

Realistic Permawhite.

i did that on purpose, becuase i personally enjoy them as self-inflicted cuts.
i'll go and remove them, too.

I'd pass the scars as being part of the damage on the fights with Batman, ect.. but self-inflicted? No, I don't think the Joker would cut his most loved thing he wants, himself, on purpose. But that's just me

 

[The Joker]

there ya go

better?

No ridiculous tattoos, no ugly grills on the teeth.....of course it's better

 

[I Am The Knight]

Too pink

 

[QueenChaos]

So, as I was posting in the Harley thread.. I think seeing tattoos on her probably confirms the tattoos on Mr J for the film?
Though we still may not actually see them much.

It appears as though she tattooed herself with the angle they are at, so maybe that theory about her being the one that inked up Joker is possible.

*shrugs*

 

[Bruce Malone]

So, as I was posting in the Harley thread.. I think seeing tattoos on her probably confirms the tattoos on Mr J for the film?
Though we still may not actually see them much.

It appears as though she tattooed herself with the angle they are at, so maybe that theory about her being the one that inked up Joker is possible.

*shrugs*

I think the Director of the film releasing that image of the Joker confirmed the tattoos for the Joker a long time ago by this point.

We might as well still be debating if Heath is going to be permawhite or not for the Dark Knight.

 

[QueenChaos]

^ I don't disagree with that.

There were obviously people still in doubt about this or otherwise wishing it wasn't so.

I'm just saying this probably lends further 'proof' to the fact that the Joker look we were shown is in fact, what it is. Lol. And it also might be a source of some 'context' as well, for the imaginative.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Yeah, absolutely. I had a gut feeling that was how Jared was going to look as Joker but people kept swearing up and down it wasn't. Now that we've seen Harley, I'm 100% convinced that Joker will have tats

 

[Rodrigo90]

But he might not...just as Dylan O'Brien might be Spider-Man, even though we're down to two finalists who are both 18 and British! Live in hope!

(Sorry, but I've been driven mental by fans who won't let go of certain notions if things don't go the way they want )

 

[QueenChaos]

Some won't believe it until they see the final product, that's fine lol.

Even more fine because in the final product we get to see Leto's awesome acting, and I think he'll be amazing. Nothing to frown about here..

I like finally seeing both Harley and Mr.J as their look is kind of telling about their relationship dynamic. Now a shot of them together would be kick ass.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Some won't believe it until they see the final product, that's fine lol.

Even more fine because in the final product we get to see Leto's awesome acting, and I think he'll be amazing. Nothing to frown about here..

I like finally seeing both Harley and Mr.J as their look is kind of telling about their relationship dynamic. Now a shot of them together would be kick ass.

That's what I'm dying for over here

 

[Codex Tesseract]

You're right about the Flash, I now remember that was just a rumor from a few months back.
But it's somewhat comparable to how it was with the reports from the Fantastic Four. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Those were brushed aside as "rumors" and "hearsay" for months, but there ended up being some truth to it. I don't doubt there's truth to this as well.
And you underestimate how much I disliked MoS. That was a pretty lackluster first outing that left me pretty disappointed.
Time will tell, maybe I am speaking too hastily. Maybe what's going on behind the scenes right now is nowhere near as bad as the reports would indicate, and their approach pays off and gives us a great, varied universe with a lot of awesome films. That's totally within the cards, I'm not going to deny that. But I haven't seen a reason yet to believe that to be the case, so I'm not going to get my hopes up.

If you're waiting for an "improvement" of Man of Steel, you're right, you shouldn't get your hopes up. DC's approach is clearly going to be less about cohesion and more about letting each team of creators do their thing. So you may continue to hate the Snyder incarnations but be all about others. This will make perfect sense because these movies are going to stand alone as their own movies, not as cogs in the great machine.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

If you're waiting for an "improvement" of Man of Steel, you're right, you shouldn't get your hopes up. DC's approach is clearly going to be less about cohesion and more about letting each team of creators do their thing. So you may continue to hate the Snyder incarnations but be all about others. This will make perfect sense because these movies are going to stand alone as their own movies, not as cogs in the great machine.

But yet still all be connected in a way...I like it

 

[roach]

If you're waiting for an "improvement" of Man of Steel, you're right, you shouldn't get your hopes up. DC's approach is clearly going to be less about cohesion and more about letting each team of creators do their thing. So you may continue to hate the Snyder incarnations but be all about others. This will make perfect sense because these movies are going to stand alone as their own movies, not as cogs in the great machine.

I am not sure where you got this from considering of this universe we've only seen one film and one trailer

 

[Codex Tesseract]

I am not sure where you got this from considering of this universe we've only seen one film and one trailer

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/05/in-defense-filmmaker-driven-dc-cinematic-universe.html

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I am not sure where you got this from considering of this universe we've only seen one film and one trailer

I think he makes a slight point. Unlike Marvel, these directors are getting to make the movies they want to make and not being tied to one huge story...I don't think a lot of these are major characters and probably won't feature much into the overall universe. At least that's what I think he is saying...I could be off base completely

 

[roach]

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/05/in-defense-filmmaker-driven-dc-cinematic-universe.html

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