The Avengers Jeremy Renner is Hawkeye!

[chris moore]

Why have him as an Avenger then? Why aren't all SHIELD agents using these fancy corner shooting, trick bullet guns? Why have Black Widow on the team? What makes her and Clint stand out from the other agents?

Maybe, because Clint in this film is described as an ex-assassin, he got out of it because he hated all the killing he was responsible for and took up the bow as a more in control of the lethality option to a gun. Shoot to wound and all that. So no, he might well not be killing enemies. And its a far cry from logic to say that because this is a superhero movie, any technology conceivable could be incorporated into it.

 

[ladyloki]

I understand you're defending a character you like, but there is more bile in your post than logic. Hawkeye will still most likely be killing enemies with his bow and arrow and as a SHIELD Agent there is no logical reason why he couldn't use a gun. It's his personality that lends him to using it and his skill at archery, but seriously, considering the scope and sci-fi fantasy elements of the Marvel Universe, do you honestly think there couldn't be a gun that is in some way superior to a bow and arrow?



Who sai they were fighting a one on one battle with Loki? And who said they DON'T sustain injuries? From all the footage we've seen, even Cap get's pretty screwed up.

Loki fights does fight one on one with every Avenger ..according to interviews .. oh they are all going to get messed up alright I saw the pictures of cap man he gets an ass kicking

 

[Hawkingbird]

Hawkeye and Widow are legends. They have no powers, now amazing advantages. They're just skilled, super cool beasts!

 

[BigThor]

Who said they were fighting a one on one battle with Loki? And who said they DON'T sustain injuries? From all the footage we've seen, even Cap get's pretty screwed up.

Well they're all gonna be in fighting shape for the climax battle of the film, so that let's me know they're not gonna be too hurt from their fight with Loki.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well they're all gonna be in fighting shape for the climax battle of the film, so that let's me know they're not gonna be too hurt from their fight with Loki.

But that doesn't mean it's a one on one fight to the death. The 'fight' could merely mean them trying to stop Loki and him getting away.

Why have him as an Avenger then? Why aren't all SHIELD agents using these fancy corner shooting, trick bullet guns? Why have Black Widow on the team? What makes her and Clint stand out from the other agents?

Maybe, because Clint in this film is described as an ex-assassin, he got out of it because he hated all the killing he was responsible for and took up the bow as a more in control of the lethality option to a gun. Shoot to wound and all that. So no, he might well not be killing enemies. And its a far cry from logic to say that because this is a superhero movie, any technology conceivable could be incorporated into it.

Here's a simpler explanation... Maybe they're simply just exemplary agents. Do we need any more reason than that? There, I used logic again. The genre of the film doesn't mean logic can't be applied, you simply stretch the logic to fit the context. So it's up to Joss Whedon to show us exactly why a trick bow is more effective than a gun in the film.

And where is Clint ever said to be an 'Ex-Assassin'? Tony describes both Clint and Natasha as two of the worlds deadliest Assassins, but I don't think that's literal, that doesn't mean they both had a previous life as Hitmen. (Although I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with Black Widow)

 

[Quasimod0]

Im pretty sure they're just really skilled agents

 

[cherokeesam]

I understand you're defending a character you like, but there is more bile in your post than logic. Hawkeye will still most likely be killing enemies with his bow and arrow and as a SHIELD Agent there is no logical reason why he couldn't use a gun. It's his personality that lends him to using it and his skill at archery, but seriously, considering the scope and sci-fi fantasy elements of the Marvel Universe, do you honestly think there couldn't be a gun that is in some way superior to a bow and arrow?

Plus, I'm pretty sure the bio page on movie Hawkeye says that he's a master marksman, and that the bow just happens to be his weapon of choice. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see him using a sniper rifle, too.

 

[Quasimod0]

He also uses a pistol in the film

 

[Hawkingbird]

Everyone! Stop this madness Hawkeye.rules.End.Of!

 

[Wolvieboy17]

No one is suggesting he doesn't rule. Some people simply seem to perceive any analysis of the character at all as an attack and respond by defending a fictional character with a terminal intensity... Thas'all :P

 

[Hunter Rider]

Probably so. Female solo superheroes have been a tough sell for whatever reason(s).

I don't think there has been a really well written female led action movie in terms of a one aiming to be a blockbuster. Nikita shows it can work.

Someone mentioned it elsewhere, a Hawkeye / Coulson series show would be fantastic.

I'd go with Hawkeye / Black Widow team, with Coulson being their Shield liaison.

That's the set up I'd go for as well.

I disagree. movie with Hawkeye fighting against Trickshot and/or Swordsmaster can work, if the script is good. Especially if Trickshot is his brother. There is enough drama in those pairings and with the SHIELD Agent angle you could give his origin story a whole new spin.

Natasha could work in a solo movie if they go the female espionage route and leave the SH genre a little bit. If La Femme Nikita can work, so can Black Widow.

Neither are very famous outside the comic fans realm. However after Avengers they could have a good chemistry as a duo and if then placed as a duo in an espionage type of CBM it may well sell better to the audience as they already like the pairing and you have a built in chemistry to build off. Trickshot could still be the villain in the movie.

Can you do a bank shot with a rifle? Got a bullet that gives off an EMP? Or a hypersonic burst? Got a bullet that can do anything except fly real fast, real straight, and slam into the target with either stopping power or penetrating power? Can you load single bullets into a gun at a rate of 30 per minute?

Nah, we should probably just have the Punisher on the team with a dozen guns strapped to his back, letting bullets spray like a madman. But hey, it puts the bad guy down right?

I'm not sure why you are so hostile over this, not to mention you are building your argument on a house of sticks given we are talking about fantasy films.

And where is Clint ever said to be an 'Ex-Assassin'? Tony describes both Clint and Natasha as two of the worlds deadliest Assassins, but I don't think that's literal, that doesn't mean they both had a previous life as Hitmen. (Although I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with Black Widow)

I imagine given Tony's comments that both are assassins for SHIELD, as I think it would be naive to portray SHIELD as a division that didn't have to get it's hands dirty.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I imagine given Tony's comments that both are assassins for SHIELD, as I think it would be naive to portray SHIELD as a division that didn't have to get it's hands dirty.

I imagine that is the case as well. That and Stark is talking them up to make them sound tough whilst trying to intimidate Loki.

 

[chris moore]

I don't feel I'm being hostile about Hawkeye using a bow over any kind of gun. I just really don't like superheroes with guns, and prefer superheroes to avoid killing when at all possible. Like, if you have abilities or skills far greater than any other human, you should be able to do what humans do without killing the individual. And when you have one who has taken another form of projectile weapon and made it do amazing things, I get a little resentful when fans of the medium think a live-action interpretation might be the perfect time to throw that away and have him blazing uzis and killing enemies without a by your leave.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I imagine that is the case as well. That and Stark is talking them up to make them sound tough whilst trying to intimidate Loki.

Certainly, one-upsmansip is part of Tony's make-up.

I don't feel I'm being hostile about Hawkeye using a bow over any kind of gun. I just really don't like superheroes with guns, and prefer superheroes to avoid killing when at all possible. Like, if you have abilities or skills far greater than any other human, you should be able to do what humans do without killing the individual. And when you have one who has taken another form of projectile weapon and made it do amazing things, I get a little resentful when fans of the medium think a live-action interpretation might be the perfect time to throw that away and have him blazing uzis and killing enemies without a by your leave.

You may not feel you are but I'm clearly not the only one who feels your aggressive stance in this thread.

The superheroes killing thing is a subject for another time so I'll leave that, but no one is suggesting Hawkeye go around mass murdering, but he is billed an assassin in the movie so he does kill, and some posters were suggesting he could use a rifle, that is all.

You talk about amazing things he can do with a bow but this is fantasy so equal creativity could be added to a gun as shown by a movie like Wanted. I have no issue with him remaining true to the character and using a bow, I'm just saying you don't need to write off variety options for a character billed as a skilled marksman.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Exactly. He's using extremes which only undermine whatever point he is trying to make. Someone suggests he COULD use a gun and that is somehow translated into he's the punisher, going crazy with Uzi's?

I am still yet to see ANYONE suggest that Hawkeye not use a bow. In fact, I think I've only seen a couple of people ever express dislike of Hawkeye's involvement in the film, in all of the various Avengers related threads. It's simply unnecessary hostility. Dial it back a notch and maybe it can turn into a conversation.

 

[Hawkingbird]

No one is suggesting he doesn't rule. Some people simply seem to perceive any analysis of the character at all as an attack and respond by defending a fictional character with a terminal intensity... Thas'all :P

Yeah but Jeremy Renner rocks ass! I'm sure he'll do the character justice. To be honest, I would just cringe if a guy in purple suit were to be Hawkeye, from what I've seen the movie character seems to be just as a grumpy, hardcore bad ass ass as in the comics.

 

[cherokeesam]

I don't feel I'm being hostile about Hawkeye using a bow over any kind of gun. I just really don't like superheroes with guns, and prefer superheroes to avoid killing when at all possible. Like, if you have abilities or skills far greater than any other human, you should be able to do what humans do without killing the individual. And when you have one who has taken another form of projectile weapon and made it do amazing things, I get a little resentful when fans of the medium think a live-action interpretation might be the perfect time to throw that away and have him blazing uzis and killing enemies without a by your leave.

Trying to "pull your punches" and *not* kill an opponent is harder, IMHO, for a superhero. Physically, anyway. I mean, how the hell does Johnny Storm "dial it back a notch" so that his fireballs don't blow up a whole city block and incinerate every living thing within a mile radius?

Besides, the premise of the Avengers movie is that they're defending against an alien invasion. I'm pretty sure the team will be green-lighted for "weapons free" to shoot to kill. You're not going to arrest these guys and leave them for the cops to take to jail.....this is war.

 

[Quasimod0]

Realistically, all villains would pretty much end up killed by heroes. One hit with caps shield and you're dead, one swipe of thors hammer, all your ribs crushed by batman, shot by an arrow by hawkeye, shot by black widow, blasted by iron man, crushed by hulk. And, every one of the heroes in the avengers has killed before. Cap killed in wwII, iron man killed people when he was escaping and when he came back to free those people, i'm sure hulk killed quite a few of those soldiers. hawkeye is an assassin, as is black widow.Thor killed frost giants.
so hawkey nailing aliens with arrows is too much too handle. no reason for him to hold back. like cherokeesam said above, this is war.

 

[BigThor]

Realistically, all villains would pretty much end up killed by heroes. One hit with caps shield and you're dead, one swipe of thors hammer, all your ribs crushed by batman, shot by an arrow by hawkeye, shot by black widow, blasted by iron man, crushed by hulk. And, every one of the heroes in the avengers has killed before. Cap killed in wwII, iron man killed people when he was escaping and when he came back to free those people, i'm sure hulk killed quite a few of those soldiers. hawkeye is an assassin, as is black widow.Thor killed frost giants.
so hawkey nailing aliens with arrows is too much too handle. no reason for him to hold back. like cherokeesam said above, this is war.

True

Honestly Iron Man and Thor don't even have to use their weapons, one punch from them would be far more than enough to kill a human (I think a punch from Cap too, it'll take him more effort tho).

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'm okay with Hawkeye killing aliens. But he should only use his bow, if he was to use a gun he'd lose what makes him unique. If Hawkeye uses guns then what seperates him from Punisher, well besides the fact that Hawkeye is a wise-ass.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Why is it that people only seem to define the Punisher as a guy with guns? What seperates Cap, Nick Fury or Black Widow from the Punisher? I mean, they all use guns, right?

 

[Xeno]

Why is it that people only seem to define the Punisher as a guy with guns? What seperates Cap, Nick Fury or Black Widow from the Punisher? I mean, they all use guns, right?

None of the others is psychotic. Punisher has that angle all locked down.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed. He's such an interesting character.

 

[Quasimod0]

hawkeye doesnt just outright murder criminals though. I'd say that most of the avengers would try to bring the bad guys in alive if possible

 

[Wolvieboy17]

In the comics perhaps, but from what little we've seen of Clint and from what we've seen of the MCU's SHIELD, this Government agency and it's Agents aren't afraid or worried about taking lives if the national security is at stake. I mean, Hawkeye even had that line in Thor where he asked "Should I just slow him down?" Implying that the alternative, to kill him outright, is a scenario he is well familiar with.