Jesus Married

[E. Bison]

Sex was created by God. It's okay if we use it the way He designed it to be used.....in marriage. Between a man and a woman. The apostles had wives. Peter the Apostle was married. (1 Corinthians 9:5). 1 Timothy 3 says that the pastor or bishop or deacons must be the "husband" of only one wife if they are married.

The problem with the Catholic branch of Christianity is their lack of reading the scriptures and discipling their flock that way. Instead they hold to "traditions" and other things that lead them to do things never intended. I honestly believe that "some" of the sex scandals that go on in that church happen because men and women (with the best intentions) are stifling the sexual need needlessly, by not marrying.

Also, because of conforming to outside influences such as the inclusion of many pagan philosophies such as: the immortality of the soul, clergy, incense, involvement in politics and of course celebacy. Celebacy is plain out pagan.

 

[rodhulk]

1) JewishHobbit may have seen an angel since they are to serve us pretty much. Satan does masquerade as an angel of light, but angels can also help us. The Bible does not deny this anywhere.

2) It is not a sin to marry. If it was, then God would have never approved it since there is nothing unrighteous about God, so we marry. It was only said that 'it is better not to marry.'

 

[Corinthian™]

Also, because of conforming to outside influences such as the inclusion of many pagan philosophies such as: the immortality of the soul, clergy, incense, involvement in politics and of course celebacy. Celebacy is plain out pagan.

Catholism is very Pagan. They are just the christian version of Paganism, except with more Misogyny and less peace

 

[lordofthenerds]

Except God command us to multiply and replenish the Earth and in order for Jesus to be perfect doesn't he have to follow all of the Lord's commandments? That is why he was baptized, correct? So wouldn't it make sense for him to marry and maybe even have kids? I'm not saying for sure he was but I definately think it it's a possibility.

yeah I see why you asked but I wasn't really criticizing you as much as other people replying on this board that are just taking this as a chance to express ridiculous and offensive theories. *puts paper bag over head*

 

[boywonder13]

Also mary was a princess. She wasn't realy a Chore, also we cant exactly trust the bible at this time can we? At one point the Vatican became dangerous. They would run scientists into the ground *cough*gallillayo's book proving the world is round*cough* also Jesus didnt write the Bible himself and the bible is over 2 milleniums old. The X-men ultimate guide had major differences in just 3 years, One difference is, wheres the book of Judas?

That whole Gospel of Judas things is stupid becaue there are other "fake" gospels written by some crazy people that go against the bible in some ways. ALso I remember reading in the bible that one of the gospels said that no one can add into there or something like that. And that people and fake prophets adn stuff will write garbage like that.

Don't listen to all of that Gospel of Judas garbage because they have already found other crazy "fake" gospels in the past.

Do you see how the world just hates Christianity? Just like they hated Christ!

 

[Corinthian™]

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus was married. Here's why:

1. In real life, children as young as 15 would be married by their families by other families for whatever reason--land, cattle, whatever.
One could say that Mary and Joe just never did that for his son, and while it's not impossible that could be true, but it's really improbable.

2. Frankly, every society has had many sordid, dark secrets in their pasts, even the Church. From the zealots during the Crusades, to allowing the Nazi's to do their thing, the Church has made as much mistakes in the past as any of us.

And don't point fingers at me saying I'm some sort of "faithless athiest" or some s**t. While I don't really like organized religion much (I'd rather study my options, see what's best for me, and follow it on my own terms), I respect those who have it.

But, maybe it's my perspective of it all, but when I read or hear anything about Jesus Christ, I really don't see a Massiah or the Son of God--I just see a person, a very influential one, maybe even someone who had the extraordinary powers the Bible claims he has, but a person nonetheless; and frankly, I wouldn't give a crap if he was married or not.

I love you lets make babies forever and ever and ever


Couldn't said it better

and by the way, I think Jesus left his family in his teens to pursue some studying and went to far India near the Buddhist in the Himalayas

 

[Spider-Who?]

You just answered your own question. If its outside of marriage then it is.

that goes without saying. it was a rhetorical question.

 

[Spider-Who?]

but Jesus didn't have sex, therefor, Sex = Satan

you must have small weewee.

 

[boywonder13]

but Jesus didn't have sex, therefor, Sex = Satan

WOW! Thats WRONG God made sex with Adam and Eve as a "gift" you could say. But the world today has just peverted it! Its just supposed to be between a man and a woman who are married! Nows its with the same sex, un married, and alot of screwed up things making it much different than God's tru vision of sex.

Adam and Even had sex in the Garden thefore sex = God's Gift

 

[E. Bison]

1) JewishHobbit may have seen an angel since they are to serve us pretty much. Satan does masquerade as an angel of light, but angels can also help us. The Bible does not deny this anywhere.

JewishHobbit DID see an angel but it would have no reason to appear to him because the Bible is complete now. If you read the scriptures I quoated above for him in 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4 it is made clear that it only appeared there to confuse him and to mislead him so he wouldn't know the truth. Now that he is convinced more by the vision he won't take into consideration the true operations of demons.

They are just using him to mislead him. It happened to me as well. When I was a child I went to a Catholic church so they can do a seyance(sp?) on me and so an angel can enter me. It worked I froze like a bone fish and became paralyzed. Then I fell on the floor like a brick. I saw something to. Think about this: why would an angel appear to me in a Catholic church and appear to JewishHobbit in another religion? Is that not contradictory? Yes, that is contradictory. They did that to me so as to mislead me and it worked on my mother. She now believes that Catholic church is the truth.

2) It is not a sin to marry. If it was, then God would have never approved it since there is nothing unrighteous about God, so we marry. It was only said that 'it is better not to marry.'

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[celldog]

Also, because of conforming to outside influences such as the inclusion of many pagan philosophies such as: the immortality of the soul, clergy, incense, involvement in politics and of course celebacy. Celebacy is plain out pagan.

Immortality of the soul is actually in scripture. The soul for the believer will be reunited with the "new body" to live with God and the "unbeliever's" soul the same. However, their fate will be different (1 Corintians 15 ; Revelation 20)

Celebacy is not pagan, either. The Judeo-christian system allowed for it (i.e. Nazarites like John the Baptist, Elijah, Samson). Samson strayed from his Nazarite lifestyle and suffered for it. Also, Celibacy maybe a spritiual gift.

Celibacy
According to 1 Cor. 7:7 (and Matthew 19:11), celibacy or singleness is a "charisma" - gift from God. A person who has this gift will have a strong desire to be involved in service to the kingdom of God. They will have supernatural self-control physically as well.

 

[boywonder13]

I love you lets make babies forever and ever and ever


Couldn't said it better

and by the way, I think Jesus left his family in his teens to pursue some studying and went to far India near the Buddhist in the Himalayas

WOW! Don't listen to EVEYTHING you hear or read! Its things like that thepollute ur mind also things like the DA Vinci Code and stuff.
ANd Jesus just worked as a carpenter and mostly as a normal boy in his teens. This around the time when he runs away from his mom and is found by the temple whichis bellieved that that was him in his teens.

 

[celldog]

Originally Posted by SuperDude
Except God command us to multiply and replenish the Earth and in order for Jesus to be perfect doesn't he have to follow all of the Lord's commandments? That is why he was baptized, correct? So wouldn't it make sense for him to marry and maybe even have kids? I'm not saying for sure he was but I definately think it it's a possibility.


God gave many commands that were for a specific period and for a specific people. This is one of those.

The earth was new and had no people. How was God's plan to spread his image in the arth going to happen?? Men and Women procreating....

Today, if people have one child, there's no legalistic mandate to have more. God told his prophet Jeremiah that he could not marry or have kids. There was a reason for that. God did not break His own law or he would be a liar and cease to be God. Therefore we must logically conclude that the Genesis mandate was for that period or else Jeremiah would have been held to the same standard.

 

[rodhulk]

JewishHobbit DID see an angel but it would have no reason to appear to him because the Bible is complete now. If you read the scriptures I quoated above for him in 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4 it is made clear that it only appeared there to confuse him and to mislead him so he wouldn't know the truth. Now that he is convinced more by the vision he won't take into consideration the true operations of demons.

They are just using him to mislead him. It happened to me as well. When I was a child I went to a Catholic church so they can do a seyance(sp?) on me and so an angel can enter me. It worked I froze like a bone fish and became paralyzed. Then I fell on the floor like a brick. I saw something to. Think about this: why would an angel appear to me in a Catholic church and appear to JewishHobbit in another religion? Is that not contradictory? Yes, that is contradictory. They did that to me so as to mislead me and it worked on my mother. She now believes that Catholic church is the truth.

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God isn't bound as to where he works. God can send an angel to a catholic church, a baptist church, a synagogue, etc..... if he has a reason (will).

Maybe Hobbit didn't see an angel. I did say that Satan can also appear as an angel of light. But since the Bible doesn't deny that angels can still help us (even with the Bible complete, that is just a belief without word-for-word biblical support that they don't), and in fact, confirms that people sometimes do talk with angels (seemingle appearing as a person) and not even know it. It says something like they are there to help us. Can't remember the exact quote. Just like miracles (healing) still exist, though some say they don't. So, Hobbit may have seen an angel and it may have helped him.

And God accepts anybody of any church providing they follow him according to his word. Just because somebody goes to a catholic church doesn't automatically mean they aren't a christian. God doesn't look at what church (faith) you belong to, he looks at you and how you worship him/accept him.

 

[Corinthian™]

WOW! Don't listen to EVEYTHING you hear or read! Its things like that thepollute ur mind also things like the DA Vinci Code and stuff.
ANd Jesus just worked as a carpenter and mostly as a normal boy in his teens. This around the time when he runs away from his mom and is found by the temple whichis bellieved that that was him in his teens.

and by that you mean the bible and scripts of Buddhism right?

I mean, don't compare two almost IDENTICAL ideologies that you could never have because of the time and space between them.

It is almost a fact that Jesus went to the Himalayas as it is recorded in some records of the thibet about a boy named Issa who was from the middle east who was very intelligent(a genius) and learned there around 15 years of his life...

but of course, those stupid monks are not to be trust

 

[JewishHobbit]

God isn't bound as to where he works. God can send an angel to a catholic church, a baptist church, a synagogue, etc..... if he has a reason (will).

Maybe Hobbit didn't see an angel. I did say that Satan can also appear as an angel of light. But since the Bible doesn't deny that angels can still help us (even with the Bible complete, that is just a belief without word-for-word biblical support that they don't), and in fact, confirms that people sometimes do talk with angels (seemingle appearing as a person) and not even know it. It says something like they are there to help us. Can't remember the exact quote. Just like miracles (healing) still exist, though some say they don't. So, Hobbit may have seen an angel and it may have helped him.

And God accepts anybody of any church providing they follow him according to his word. Just because somebody goes to a catholic church doesn't automatically mean they aren't a christian. God doesn't look at what church (faith) you belong to, he looks at you and how you worship him/accept him.

These are true. I'm curious Bison, where do you get it that Angels do not appear anymore now that the Bible is complete? That obviously wouldn't actually be IN the Bible, because it wasn't completed when written. So where do you get that idea? No offense, but nothing you've said has given me any reason to believe that what I saw was a demon. None of it really makes any sense?

Edit: I overlooked your main post up there. Let me read over that first.

 

[JewishHobbit]

and by that you mean the bible and scripts of Buddhism right?

I mean, don't compare two almost IDENTICAL ideologies that you could never have because of the time and space between them.

It is almost a fact that Jesus went to the Himalayas as it is recorded in some records of the thibet about a boy named Issa who was from the middle east who was very intelligent(a genius) and learned there around 15 years of his life...

but of course, those stupid monks are not to be trust

This is a legit question, but what chance is there that there was another boy named Issa that was there? (I'm assuming it's a translation of Jesus?) Is it kinda like if someone wrong in Mexico that a guy named George was there, and we automatically assume it was George Bush? I'm not trying to be goofy, but that really doesn't sound like reason enough to believe Jesus went there.

 

[E. Bison]

Immortality of the soul is actually in scripture. The soul for the believer will be reunited with the "new body" to live with God and the "unbeliever's" soul the same. However, their fate will be different (1 Corintians 15 ; Revelation 20)

I don't see where you could have gotten those. Could you tell me the verses cuz you didn't provide them. Until then, consider these verses:
Eccl.3:19 - For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity.

Psalm 146:4 - His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.

Eccl. 9:5,10 - For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.

10 - for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol, the place to which you are going.

Celebacy is not pagan, either. The Judeo-christian system allowed for it (i.e. Nazarites like John the Baptist, Elijah, Samson). Samson strayed from his Nazarite lifestyle and suffered for it. Also, Celibacy maybe a spritiual gift.

Celibacy
According to 1 Cor. 7:7 (and Matthew 19:11), celibacy or singleness is a "charisma" - gift from God. A person who has this gift will have a strong desire to be involved in service to the kingdom of God. They will have supernatural self-control physically as well.

Oh I not saying that you HAVE to marry or that it's anything wrong with being single. What you are speaking of is singleness not celibacy. Celibacy revolves around purity of NOT marrying. Some religions believe that to be a true minister or religious person you MUST NOT marry. The belief that to keep religious purity through no sex and marriage is pagan. Samson was not condemned because he did not stay celibate. He was punished because he messed around with FOREIGNER and unbeliever. It was ok for him to be with Hebrew women but not foreigners. Those other people just chose to be single so they can continue to do God's will. NOT because it was required for them to continue to be pure. They could have gotten married if they wanted to and continue to be pure.

 

[Corinthian™]

This is a legit question, but what chance is there that there was another boy named Issa that was there? (I'm assuming it's a translation of Jesus?) Is it kinda like if someone wrong in Mexico that a guy named George was there, and we automatically assume it was George Bush? I'm not trying to be goofy, but that really doesn't sound like reason enough to believe Jesus went there.

how many boys where particulary smart, lived in the middle east, were adept with the scriptures, were quite the thinkers, named Yeshu/Yashue/Issa around lets say, 2000 years ago?

 

[JewishHobbit]

If you notice in all those accounts it was during times when the Bible was not available and complete. So Jehovah would send in angels to give instruction to those he was doing his will through. Today, that is no longer necessary because we have the complete Bible. You are correct that angels do roam the earth, but those angels are only demons who have been entrapped here.

I agree that demons do roam the earth, but again, where do you get that they no longer do? refur to my previous mentions of this.

Take this into account:

It should not surprise us that the Devil can make divination appear beneficial, even angelic. The Bible says that Satan "keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14) He can even fabricate portents and then make them come true, deceiving onlookers into thinking that the omen is from God.

I also agree that Satan can come in good appearance to fool those who would follow him, but this still apply to me. I had seen one Angel, and it gave me peace and grew me closer to Christ. How does that help Satan again?

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

I believe in this scripture, but I don't believe for once second that those who believe that angels roam the earth today are those who Jesus will turn away. I'm sure you're trying to say more than that, but I'm still not seeing it. Jesus asked people to believe on him and that he was the only way to heaven. I believe this and have accept him. While yes, I have done works through his name, I have given him the glory for all that was done. I believe this scripture to be for those who take the Christian faith and basically do their own thing without puting Christ in it. I've met many like this and it's very clear that though they speak well, they do not have Christ in their hearts.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

I've accepted Christ's laws and truth and I am saved. What I've done and do I do for him and for no other. Exactly how am I believing a lie again?

(2 Corinthians 4:3, 4)If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

Again, I am a believer. How does this apply?

You have most definitely made contact with an angel but those angels are all demons because of them showing you powerful works. All powerful miracles were done once the Bible was completed and the Apostles died. Angels quit appearing to humans since it was no longer necessary.

Again, I don't know where you get this idea. Please clarify.

 

[JewishHobbit]

how many boys where particulary smart, lived in the middle east, were adept with the scriptures, were quite the thinkers, named Yeshu/Yashue/Issa around lets say, 2000 years ago?

I don't know, that's what I'm asking. Was it fairly common back then? And what if Jesus did go there? So what?

 

[E. Bison]

how many boys where particulary smart, lived in the middle east, were adept with the scriptures, were quite the thinkers, named Yeshu/Yashue/Issa around lets say, 2000 years ago?

You know most people are not aware of this but the name Jesus WAS a common name back then. So it was not a name that was just suddenly made up when God told Mary to name him Jesus. Other people were already named Jesus. The only name you are not allowed to use is that of God, Jehovah. That's why people are still named Joshua and Jesus today.

 

[JewishHobbit]

You know most people are not aware of this but the name Jesus WAS a common name back then. So it was not a name that was just suddenly made up when God told Mary to name him Jesus. Other people were already named Jesus. The only name you are not allowed to use is that of God, Jehovah. That's why people are still named Joshua and Jesus today.

I'm assuming that has something to do with why your faith seems to refuse to call God by anything other than Jehovah? (keep in mind, I'm not very learned in your faith. I tried to research it once and it just made no sense to me)

 

[SuperFerret]

Edit.

 

[Corinthian™]

You know most people are not aware of this but the name Jesus WAS a common name back then. So it was not a name that was just suddenly made up when God told Mary to name him Jesus. Other people were already named Jesus. The only name you are not allowed to use is that of God, Jehovah. That's why people are still named Joshua and Jesus today.

duh, I know. But still, not many were smart enough to be proclaimed as a "Buddha" by some Indians.

And the ages fit perfectly. They say he left Tibeth at his late 20's, and then Jesus appears in the bible at that age.

Coincidence? I think not!