Age of Ultron Josh Brolin Is Thanos, The Mad Titan

[jaqua99]

There are two kinds of people in the world

1. Those who eventually tire of being wrong

2. Sam

I laughed, as i am mentally preparing for work tonight. This helped.

thank you

 

[ctsketch]

They are establishing him as an emperor. Through fear, and "bark", for NOW.



Well there isn't any bite. But that for the moment is okay. The only issue I have is when Ronan told him he was coming for him. Right before that, Thanos seemed to be getting angry. And after the threat Ronan made to him, Thanos just blinked off the seem, making him seem like, well..I'm not too sure. I didn't like that though.



Dude, Come on. The collector thing was a bit much, yes. But he's providing some pretty good points. He's presenting facts, and DOES have a bias.
Stop making judgements from the peanut gallery lol He's a die hard Thanos fan, who, despite what any of you seem to think, DOES know Thanos probably better than most...short of myself of course . But he's presenting his opinion on the matter of Thanos, based on what he's read, and are altered by bias. Calling someone delusional, doesn't win an argument, and an argument, or discussion can be carried on easily without pointing fingers or calling names.

Personally, I too am not thrilled how Thanos is, simply just because of what Ronan said to Thanos during their last exchange of words. However, I get that they were trying to show the power of the gem, of someone who is mad.

Thanos has been threatened multiple times by lesser beings in the comics. Hell, Infinity Revelation, the Silver Surfer who has a history of being viciously beat down by Thanos said, "Titan, I warn you..." It is what it is.

They are establishing him as an emperor. Through fear, and "bark", for NOW is how they are establishing the intimidation. It seems that what we've seen, the only other thing they are trying to establish aside from the word of mouth within the MCU, is a personality. Which we started to get. We saw his face at the end of Avengers. In gotg, we got how the universe views him, and a little bit of a personality. It's fine for now, however...if he doesn't show anything by his next appearance, then yes, I too will have an issue.

For such a Thanos fan...he's getting a lot wrong...

 

[jaqua99]

For such a Thanos fan...he's getting a lot wrong...

wrong? Or taking things out of context to support a biased argument? Which lets be honest, we all do.

 

[Broseph44]

There are two kinds of people in the world

1. Those who eventually tire of being wrong

2. Sam

 

[jaqua99]

Had the same reaction lol...

alas..

Sam love ya buddy

 

[Mjölnir]

Yeah, just the "thought of his bite is scaring everyone"....scaring them so much that both Loki and Ronan steal (and trade) Stones from him with absolutely no fear of reprisal (they seem to already know his threats are full of hot air); Taneleer Tivan openly collects Infinity Stones with absolutely no fear of reprisal from Thanos --- and actually does a better job of collecting them than Thanos; his own assassins/daughters betray him at the first opportunity; his "mighty" Chitauri army commits instant mass suicide as soon as a small nuke takes out their flagship; Ronan shows utter contempt and disdain for Thanos by murdering his aide-de-camp at the foot of his very throne.

Just exactly *who* in the MCU are you thinking is afraid of Thanos....? Between Avengers 1, TDW, and GOTG, I've seen exactly *no one* show any fear of him, nor has he given them any reason to fear him.

If you don't think Loki showed any fear then I don't think you looked very closely at The Avengers. Loki is not threatened by the Other but you see him shift at the talk about what Thanos will do if he fails. It's of course not him absolutely wetting himself since it's utterly idiotic to treat the current big villain like that but Hiddleston gets the nuance across well. Neither you nor I know how Tanleer Tivan fits into this so that's pointless to talk about. Ronan is a mad zealot but he still didn't dare to attack Thanos. You think that was out of respect? They let Ronan be tough in the presence of someone clearly more powerful than him becauase of the same reason as with Loki, you still need the current threat to be potent. Thanos is also described as the most powerful entity in the universe in Guardians, but sure, no one fears power.

Well there isn't any bite. But that for the moment is okay. The only issue I have is when Ronan told him he was coming for him. Right before that, Thanos seemed to be getting angry. And after the threat Ronan made to him, Thanos just blinked off the seem, making him seem like, well..I'm not too sure. I didn't like that though.

There isn't any bite in action but definitely the threat of it. You don't have someone name him the most powerful being in the universe (regardless if it's true or false) without reason. I might have missed what happened when Ronan took the gem though since I thought Ronan threatened him and ended the transmission. I don't see it as weakness from Thanos either way. I've seen enough villains that need to show their power at every point, supreme confidence that actually comes across as that is refreshing. I could see Ronan finding out about the gem being something that disrupted the plans Thanos had in motion though. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[ctsketch]

wrong? Or taking things out of context to support a biased argument? Which lets be honest, we all do.

Aye, he lets his passion for the character get the best of him, and in doing so contradicts the character at times

 

[cherokeesam]

Aye, he lets his passion for the character get the best of him, and in doing so contradicts the character at times

Who's contradicting Thanos: me, or the studio? Be honest: other than the physical representation (which is, as I said, spot on), is this the Thanos you expected to see? Empty threats, no visible powers, worthless mercenary armies, backstabbing henchmen who betray him at every turn, no less than *three* Infinity Stones slipping through his grasp through his own stupidity and him doing *nothing* about trying to get those Stones back by his own hand?

That's not a Big Bad; that's a Big Dud. "But they're building him up; the payoff will come later...." Yeah, maybe that's why James Gunn said he's not even interested in using Thanos in GOTG2 ("He will show up [in the sequel] if he helps our story and he will not show up at all if not...Thanos is not the most important thing in Guardians 2, that’s for damn sure. There’s the Guardians themselves and other threats the Guardians are going to be facing that are not Thanos."). How many years are we expected to wait for Thanos to actually start being Thanos? And by the time that finally happens, and he gets the Gauntlet, is anybody going to give a crap anymore about a villain who was nerfed and marginalized from the get-go?

 

[TeeKay]

Just exactly *who* in the MCU are you thinking is afraid of Thanos....? Between Avengers 1, TDW, and GOTG, I've seen exactly *no one* show any fear of him, nor has he given them any reason to fear him.

The Other.

 

[The Question]

Who's contradicting Thanos: me, or the studio? Be honest: other than the physical representation (which is, as I said, spot on), is this the Thanos you expected to see? Empty threats, no visible powers, worthless mercenary armies, backstabbing henchmen who betray him at every turn, no less than *three* Infinity Stones slipping through his grasp through his own stupidity and him doing *nothing* about trying to get those Stones back by his own hand?

That's not a Big Bad; that's a Big Dud. "But they're building him up; the payoff will come later...." Yeah, maybe that's why James Gunn said he's not even interested in using Thanos in GOTG2 ("He will show up [in the sequel] if he helps our story and he will not show up at all if not...Thanos is not the most important thing in Guardians 2, that’s for damn sure. There’s the Guardians themselves and other threats the Guardians are going to be facing that are not Thanos."). How many years are we expected to wait for Thanos to actually start being Thanos? And by the time that finally happens, and he gets the Gauntlet, is anybody going to give a crap anymore about a villain who was nerfed and marginalized from the get-go?

He has not been nerfed or marginalized. The story hasn't been about him yet.

James Gunn isn't interested in using Thanos for the Guardians sequel because Thanos is being set up to be the main villain in Avengers 3.

Half of the "crimes" against his character you mention are the result of him not actually being the main villain in the appearances he's made. The other half are things that happen with him in the comics all the damn time.

You are literally complaining about nothing.

 

[BatsDC]

Yeah, the problem with building Thanos up so early is that you can't make him overshadow the main villain of that movie. If he'd dismissed Ronan again it would completely undermine Ronan as a non-threat.

There were other ways that scene could have been executed which would have been more beneficial to Thanos' character though.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, the problem with building Thanos up so early is that you can't make him overshadow the main villain of that movie. If he'd dismissed Ronan again it would completely undermine Ronan as a non-threat.

There were other ways that scene could have been executed which would have been more beneficial to Thanos' character though.

Such as?

 

[BatsDC]

Such as making both characters basically move into a stalemate, and then have Ronan abandon the conversation to destroy Xandar. Say Thanos encourages Ronan to confront him, and Ronan promises he will, seeing himself as all powerful. If Ronan had been portrayed as going completely ott with how powerful he became, Thanos could have made plenty of threats that Ronan could have accepted or retorted.

I mean ideally the whole scene would have been structured differently, but yeah. Gunn wanted Ronan to be a threat, so that's what we got.

 

[cph9fa]

Who's contradicting Thanos: me, or the studio? Be honest: other than the physical representation (which is, as I said, spot on), is this the Thanos you expected to see? Empty threats, no visible powers, worthless mercenary armies, backstabbing henchmen who betray him at every turn, no less than *three* Infinity Stones slipping through his grasp through his own stupidity and him doing *nothing* about trying to get those Stones back by his own hand?

That's not a Big Bad; that's a Big Dud... How many years are we expected to wait for Thanos to actually start being Thanos? And by the time that finally happens, and he gets the Gauntlet, is anybody going to give a crap anymore about a villain who was nerfed and marginalized from the get-go?

 

[Broseph44]

Who's contradicting Thanos: me, or the studio? Be honest: other than the physical representation (which is, as I said, spot on), is this the Thanos you expected to see? Empty threats, no visible powers, worthless mercenary armies, backstabbing henchmen who betray him at every turn, no less than *three* Infinity Stones slipping through his grasp through his own stupidity and him doing *nothing* about trying to get those Stones back by his own hand?

That's not a Big Bad; that's a Big Dud. "But they're building him up; the payoff will come later...." Yeah, maybe that's why James Gunn said he's not even interested in using Thanos in GOTG2 ("He will show up [in the sequel] if he helps our story and he will not show up at all if not...Thanos is not the most important thing in Guardians 2, that’s for damn sure. There’s the Guardians themselves and other threats the Guardians are going to be facing that are not Thanos."). How many years are we expected to wait for Thanos to actually start being Thanos? And by the time that finally happens, and he gets the Gauntlet, is anybody going to give a crap anymore about a villain who was nerfed and marginalized from the get-go?

You're too much I swear, wayyyyyy too much haha. It's sad but entertaining.

He has not been nerfed or marginalized. The story hasn't been about him yet.

James Gunn isn't interested in using Thanos for the Guardians sequel because Thanos is being set up to be the main villain in Avengers 3.

Half of the "crimes" against his character you mention are the result of him not actually being the main villain in the appearances he's made. The other half are things that happen with him in the comics all the damn time.

You are literally complaining about nothing.

Question, you're on fire in this thread good sir. Cheers.

 

[cherokeesam]

He has not been nerfed or marginalized. The story hasn't been about him yet.

James Gunn isn't interested in using Thanos for the Guardians sequel because Thanos is being set up to be the main villain in Avengers 3.

Half of the "crimes" against his character you mention are the result of him not actually being the main villain in the appearances he's made. The other half are things that happen with him in the comics all the damn time.

You are literally complaining about nothing.

How has the story *not* been about Thanos yet....?

Thanos was the prime catalyst for the first Avengers movie: an Infinity Stone "awakens" (whatever that means), Thanos notices (somehow), sends a backstabbing and incompetent underling to go fetch it in return for a mercenary army and political power, then watches said underling lose the Stone to a ragtag band of misfit superheroes.

And then, yanno what....? The *exact* same plot is repeated in GOTG. Again, with Thanos as the prime catalyst for the story.

And yanno what else....? TDW *should* have been, for all intents and practical purposes, about Thanos as well; because (a) the fate and judgment of Loki and (b) the rise of a second Infinity Stone directly concern Thanos.....but Alan Taylor and the TDW writers were too stupid or lazy (or both) to bother connecting the most obvious plot points left dangling from Thor 1 and Avengers.

The Other.

Good point; but he's dead now, isn't he? And Thanos didn't care one bit.

You're too much I swear, wayyyyyy too much haha. It's sad but entertaining.



Question, you're on fire in this thread good sir. Cheers.

You know, you haven't said one useful thing in the very brief time that I've had the misfortune to have known you; all you do is eat up my CPU with cutesy useless gifs.

I'm happy to add you to the very short ignore list I've compiled over the three years I've been here. Cheers.

 

[Broseph44]

You know, you haven't said one useful thing in the very brief time that I've had the misfortune to have known you; all you do is eat up my CPU with cutesy useless gifs.

I'm happy to add you to the very short ignore list I've compiled over the three years I've been here. Cheers.

Sweet go for it, cheers! I'm honored. t:

 

[TeeKay]

Good point; but he's dead now, isn't he? And Thanos didn't care one bit. .

Does it really matter if he's dead. You clearly said no character in the MCU has shown fear towards Thanos and that obviously wasn't the case. The Other was clearly scared of him, especially the part Thanos stood up.

 

[ctsketch]

Ronan was clearly afraid of Thanos on Sanctuary...and Korath called him the most powerful being in the universe

 

[Broseph44]

Ronan was clearly afraid of Thanos on Sanctuary...and Korath called him the most powerful being in the universe

Stop trying to reason with Sam. It's impossible my friend.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

They are establishing him as an emperor. Through fear, and "bark", for NOW is how they are establishing the intimidation. It seems that what we've seen, the only other thing they are trying to establish aside from the word of mouth within the MCU, is a personality. Which we started to get. We saw his face at the end of Avengers. In gotg, we got how the universe views him, and a little bit of a personality. It's fine for now, however...if he doesn't show anything by his next appearance, then yes, I too will have an issue.

Fair point. I think it's more the fact that, GotG being the most likely franchise to get Thanos development before A3, I was just expecting more of him than just a few lines. But if we get that in his next appearance, great.


On another matter, I'm not really partial to the argument some people are making that Thanos's development should be saved completely for Avengers 3. Just because we're not in his "main" movie yet doesn't mean he can't receive focus, and by all means he should. Loki has basically had 3 movies for himself so far and will probably have Thor 3 too; surely Thanos, being a more important villain, also deserves a similar amount of exposition.

 

[gildedmuse]

Loki is pretty obviously terrified of Thanos! Tom is usually quite pretty but gets all sweaty and gross just thinking about the guy. He gets nerious and twitchy when Thor so much as asks about him. I mean, it's fair to say that Loki does not seem preoccupied by Thanos during TDW, and we can theorize about why that is all we want, but to say Loki shows no fear of the titan ignores the desperation and anxiety he shows through out the Avenger's moive.

In fact, part of the brilliance that went in writing the Avengers is that it can be easily viewed from two totally different perspectives and is equally enjoyable. You can watch the movie as someone who has never heard of the comic, who missed out on every single one of the lead up films, who literally walked off the street and randomly choose a theater and it still works because it introduces you to every person and thing you need to understand the story and gives them a self-contained personality/arc. In which case, yes, the aliens come off a something of a random plot element and Loki seems like your typical maniacal villain but it still works as a complete story.

Or you can go into the movie like a well prepared fan who has read every Avenger's issue ever as study material prepping from this moment, who loyally follows all MCU films and one-shots and makes sure to connect every possible thread between films in which case you are rewarded with a Loki who has clearly gotten into something over his head. It works with his characterization as seen in the first Thor film where you see him sort of roller coaster from "mischievous brother who tricks Thor into getting banned" to "has this guy lost his mind he really thinks purposefully letting Johton invade is a good plan?" to "Yeah he's gone totally power-mad". It makes sense that, having been cast out of Asgard and somehow found by Thanos, that Loki would be desperate enough to make whatever deal necessary, and just clever enough to see how he could play Thanos's ambition to get the tesserect to his own advantage. Yet in the scenes were we see Loki sitting there thinking about what he has done or when Thor straight up confronts him about his plans we see Loki's sureness falter, and it's obvious that he's aware that this situation is not completely under his control. Loki is a background manipulator who is being manipulated into a full on attack, a position he is clearly uncomfortable with. No way he would have gone along with it unless he felt there was no other option, and because we see the Other threatening him in Thanos's name, it's easy to extrapolate why he is going along with this plan despite his uneasiness.

Of course that is covered up by Loki acting as if he is the one in control because that perfectly fits how his character would respond to being forced into such a situation. It's obvious from his composure and what the Other tells us that this is not truly Loki's idea; he is not an equal partner in the relationship between the two. But Loki is an arrogant jerk of a prince and so he plays up his confidence and position.

Which really should tell you just how freaked out he is by Thanos because off the top of my head I can think of three scenes in which the mask falters and we see that Loki is not the one in control (while sitting in the base as Selvig works on the Tesseract, on the mountain top with Thor, and again with Thor at Stark tower). He isn't the type of character that typically allows people to get to him or shows this kind of weakness. Think of the scene in TDW were he keeps an illusion cast over his cell to make himself appear unaffected by Frigga's death. One of Loki's defining characteristics is pride and he likes to maintain a certain appearance, and that whole scene demonstrates as much. It's similar to Avengers where his appearance is pointedly more "dirty" than it was in Thor, and we see the cracks in his confidence through out the film. Loki is definitely scared.

 

[cph9fa]

^ Nice analysis!

 

[strugler]

I think Thanos was menacing enough in the movie. His speech was eerie and awesome.
I can't wait to see him in full power in A3.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Any news or idea if we'll see Lady Death?