Age of Ultron Josh Brolin Is Thanos, The Mad Titan

[marcvader]

It would be messed up if Thanos had Lady Death resurrect Ronan just so he could really make him suffer.

 

[BatsDC]

I could actually see that happening

 

[jaqua99]

It would be messed up if Thanos had Lady Death resurrect Ronan just so he could really make him suffer.

Lol I don't mean for that sole reason. I just mean he happens to get resurrected for whatever reason. One thing leads to another and Thanos kicks his ass

 

[The Guard]

That's the point. He's like the Emperor from Star Wars. His presence is increasing little by little each movie. Plus since he was teased in Avengers, they probably figured that the audience would feel cheated if they constantly referenced Thanos but never actually showed him.

The Emperor was kinda boring, though, as a character. He only really worked in the context of Vader.

 

[fixxxer]

It would be messed up if Thanos had Lady Death resurrect Ronan just so he could really make him suffer.

My only complaint about GOTG is that they made Ronan a genocidal maniac... and killed him off. And even that isn't really a legitimate critique since it actually worked really well in the context of the movie. It's only a complaint in the "hey, I like the Ronan from the comics, and would like to see more of that Ronan on screen" kind of fanboy complaint.

That said, your idea kicks all kinds of ass. Wouldn't even be a "cheat" of any kind since it would be totally in keeping with Thanos... and it does look like we're getting a very comic book accurate Thanos in terms of characterization. "Death is too good for the likes of you... BOY!"

 

[cherokeesam]

My only complaint about GOTG is that they made Ronan a genocidal maniac... and killed him off. And even that isn't really a legitimate critique since it actually worked really well in the context of the movie. It's only a complaint in the "hey, I like the Ronan from the comics, and would like to see more of that Ronan on screen" kind of fanboy complaint.

That said, your idea kicks all kinds of ass. Wouldn't even be a "cheat" of any kind since it would be totally in keeping with Thanos... and it does look like we're getting a very comic book accurate Thanos in terms of characterization. "Death is too good for the likes of you... BOY!"

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

Exactly. I understand Marvel is trying to build Thanos up as some kind of Emperor-esque figure, but as of now he has achieved exactly nothing. We are always being told about him (like Korath's "Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe!"), but we never see anything significant. One of Thanos's marking aspects is that his raw power ultimately matters less than his intelligence and trickery. That's how he gets every single one of his victories.

As of now there is nothing to suggest Thanos is a genius in the MCU, and in fact he's just coming off as a loser who gets betrayed often and never really achieves anything.

 

[fixxxer]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

Exactly. I understand Marvel is trying to build Thanos up as some kind of Emperor-esque figure, but as of now he has achieved exactly nothing. We are always being told about him (like Korath's "Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe!"), but we never see anything significant. One of Thanos's marking aspects is that his raw power ultimately matters less than his intelligence and trickery. That's how he gets every single one of his victories.

As of now there is nothing to suggest Thanos is a genius in the MCU, and in fact he's just coming off as a loser who gets betrayed often and never really achieves anything.

I get what you guys are saying... but I believe you'll be proved wrong when A3 comes to pass.

Marvel Studios have played the motivation behind their villains' actions extremely well, especially in Phase 2.

Killian: Complex, well thought out motivation.
Loki: Complex characterization. Effective motivation.
Malekith: Logical motivation. Albeit simple characterization.
Alexander Pierce: Extremely complex characterization. Pitch perfect motivation.
Ronan: Same as Malekith (though a more successful character overall... but that's beside the point.)

My point is that we're not operating with all of the facts... yet. In time, I believe Thanos will hit all of those checkboxes you guys laid out. The people who betrayed him will face his wrath. All the moves he's made with respect to positioning the Infinity Stones will make sense. Remember when Gunn talked about the post-credit scene for Thor 2? Feige had precise instructions on the whos, whats and hows. I dunno, I just have faith that Marvel has a plan for Thanos, and they're executing it. Patiently and precisely. Just like the Mad Titan himself.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Well Thanos' only motivation is he wants to give Death a good dicking.

I do hope he is actually manipulating everything to just get the stones in the right place at the right time to strike.

 

[Six]

Well Thanos' only motivation is he wants to give Death a good dicking.

I do hope he is actually manipulating everything to just get the stones in the right place at the right time to strike.

I can't tell if those 2 sentences are related or not.

 

[Mjölnir]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

I'd say it depends on the situation. Thanos himself isn't the top dog around. He got beaten down by Odin and the only thing he managed to do was to keep getting up. Him being called "the most powerful being in the universe" in Guardians is a big step up for him since he doesn't have the infinity stones.

I don't agree that they made him all bark and no bite either. Quite the contrary he actually seems like he has everything under pretty good control. Usually villains like that get angry when someone doesn't respect them enough and feel the need to make some display of their power, but Thanos just smiles at the idea of someone challenging him. That shows true confidence and he doesn't even have to bark as the thought of his bite is scaring everyone.

 

[cph9fa]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

Erm... Except, of course, for that one time in Captain Marvel, when he used a puny human, Basil Sandhurst (aka The Controller), as his pawn on Earth, which he invades with a... fleet of marauders!

Now I have everything I want, strength and power! That is why I serve Thanos! That is why I will serve him when his fleet of space marauders come to attack Earth! Thanos' goal is galaxy-wide domination, so Earth will only be a stepping stone in a much longer path! With Thanos gone to new conquest, Earth will need a viceroy! Thanos has promised that post to me! So, finally I realize my greatest ambition!

Of course, Basil ends up being an incompetent lacky, and Thanos gets mad at him.

Only one thing saves you from my wrath! I've use for you now! Captain Marvel will soon be paying you a visit. He seeks the girl you have within your charge! When he arrives, kill him! If you fail to do so, I will be forced to destroy him with the power of the cosmic cube! I will then turn the cube on he who has poorly served me! Is that clear?

Thanos is literally holding the cosmic cube when he says this. He could wipe out Mar-Vell that very moment, and admits as much, but tasks it to his incompetent henchman instead. What an idiot!

Of course, Mar-Vell manages to hold his own against the Controller, and Thanos gets prematurely fed-up with the later.

Yes, look, Controller! Look at the one you have failed! I, Thanos, future ruler of the universe! Though not yet totally defeated, a few more well-placed blows would finish you! You have served me poorly, Earthling, so you must pay!

He then proceeds to kill the Controller, as promised, but does not first kill Mar-Vell, as he stated he would.

Oh yeah, and in this same arc, he also utilizes the Blood Brothers as henchmen, and they also turn out to be incompetent.

 

[cherokeesam]

I'd say it depends on the situation. Thanos himself isn't the top dog around. He got beaten down by Odin and the only thing he managed to do was to keep getting up. Him being called "the most powerful being in the universe" in Guardians is a big step up for him since he doesn't have the infinity stones.

I don't agree that they made him all bark and no bite either. Quite the contrary he actually seems like he has everything under pretty good control. Usually villains like that get angry when someone doesn't respect them enough and feel the need to make some display of their power, but Thanos just smiles at the idea of someone challenging him. That shows true confidence and he doesn't even have to bark as the thought of his bite is scaring everyone.

Yeah, just the "thought of his bite is scaring everyone"....scaring them so much that both Loki and Ronan steal (and trade) Stones from him with absolutely no fear of reprisal (they seem to already know his threats are full of hot air); Taneleer Tivan openly collects Infinity Stones with absolutely no fear of reprisal from Thanos --- and actually does a better job of collecting them than Thanos; his own assassins/daughters betray him at the first opportunity; his "mighty" Chitauri army commits instant mass suicide as soon as a small nuke takes out their flagship; Ronan shows utter contempt and disdain for Thanos by murdering his aide-de-camp at the foot of his very throne.

Just exactly *who* in the MCU are you thinking is afraid of Thanos....? Between Avengers 1, TDW, and GOTG, I've seen exactly *no one* show any fear of him, nor has he given them any reason to fear him.

Erm... Except, of course, for that one time in Captain Marvel, when he used a puny human, Basil Sandhurst (aka The Controller), as his pawn on Earth, which he invades with a... fleet of marauders!



Of course, Basil ends up being an incompetent lacky, and Thanos gets mad at him.



Thanos is literally holding the cosmic cube when he says this. He could wipe out Mar-Vell that very moment, and admits as much, but tasks it to his incompetent henchman instead. What an idiot!

Of course, Mar-Vell manages to hold his own against the Controller, and Thanos gets prematurely fed-up with the later.



He then proceeds to kill the Controller, as promised, but does not first kill Mar-Vell, as he stated he would.

Oh yeah, and in this same arc, he also utilizes the Blood Brothers as henchmen, and they also turn out to be incompetent.

Yeah, Thanos had a Thanoscopter that sucked, too....drat it. As with most other superheroes and supervillains, though, the vast majority of us ignore the stupider Saturday morning cartoon crap that the Silver Age counterparts had to contend with. YMMV.

 

[The Question]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen

Except for all of the times he's had henchmen in the comics. Gamora being his lackey isn't something they made up for the film, that was in the comics.

never had need of any armies or mercenaries;

http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

"As he grew in power, Thanos also grew in ambition and desire for conquest. Thanos stole one of his people's starships and traveled to other star systems to recruit soldiers, mercenaries, and malcontents for a private army."

"To make himself worthy of so awesome an entity, Thanos decided to acquire more power. At first he planned simply to seize political power through the conquest of worlds.

To this end, he amassed a huge armada of battleships."

never had progeny;

http://marvel.wikia.com/Thane_(Thanos'_son)_(Earth-616)

"Thane is the secret Inhuman son of Thanos."

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

"As an adult, Thanos attempts to create a new life for himself by starting a family. He is visited again by Mistress Death, for whom he murders his family."

would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision;

Which I'm sure he would have if the Guardians hadn't killed Ronan first.

and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

Which is understandable, seeing as it wasn't his movie.

 

[Broseph44]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

Oh boy

Except for all of the times he's had henchmen in the comics. Gamora being his lackey isn't something they made up for the film, that was in the comics.



http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

"As he grew in power, Thanos also grew in ambition and desire for conquest. Thanos stole one of his people's starships and traveled to other star systems to recruit soldiers, mercenaries, and malcontents for a private army."

"To make himself worthy of so awesome an entity, Thanos decided to acquire more power. At first he planned simply to seize political power through the conquest of worlds.

To this end, he amassed a huge armada of battleships."



http://marvel.wikia.com/Thane_(Thanos'_son)_(Earth-616)

"Thane is the secret Inhuman son of Thanos."

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

"As an adult, Thanos attempts to create a new life for himself by starting a family. He is visited again by Mistress Death, for whom he murders his family."



Which I'm sure he would have if the Guardians hadn't killed Ronan first.

Which is understandable, seeing as it wasn't his movie.

Bravo, ****ing BRAVO. You win this thread sir.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I can't tell if those 2 sentences are related or not.

Well they were both written by me, so there's a relation. But there is a reason they were sorted into separate paragraphs.

 

[fixxxer]

Well Thanos' only motivation is he wants to give Death a good dicking.

I do hope he is actually manipulating everything to just get the stones in the right place at the right time to strike.

I can't tell if those 2 sentences are related or not.

About the funniest thing I've read in a while.

 

[fixxxer]

Well they were both written by me, so there's a relation. But there is a reason they were sorted into separate paragraphs.

I'm pretty sure he meant it as a joke. Just read your 2 sentences with the assumption that they're related. Now have a nice little chuckle. I feel like I've ruined Six's joke by having to explain it.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I think I ruined by being so serious. Dagnabbit.

 

[cherokeesam]

Except for all of the times he's had henchmen in the comics. Gamora being his lackey isn't something they made up for the film, that was in the comics.

Really? You get all your comic-book info from Wiki? Nice. Try *reading* them for a change.

Gamora was *never* Thanos' "lackey." She was a personal assassin with whom Thanos developed a personal relationship with *specifically* to take out The Magus (Adam Warlock's evil persona), who had killed her civilization. She wasn't some damn henchperson. (And certainly not his daughter.)

http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

"As he grew in power, Thanos also grew in ambition and desire for conquest. Thanos stole one of his people's starships and traveled to other star systems to recruit soldiers, mercenaries, and malcontents for a private army."

"To make himself worthy of so awesome an entity, Thanos decided to acquire more power. At first he planned simply to seize political power through the conquest of worlds.

To this end, he amassed a huge armada of battleships."

See, if you read the comics, you'd understand *where* MCU Thanos is in his career/lifestory. He is obviously *well* past the early stages of his life. In his first appearances in Thanos War in a few issues of Captain Marvel, yeah, he was out for political gain and empire. It was *immediately* after that that Thanos met Lady Death and became the nihilist uber sitting on his throne of death....you know, the *iconic* Thanos we've had in the comics for the past 41 years.

http://marvel.wikia.com/Thane_(Thanos'_son)_(Earth-616)

"Thane is the secret Inhuman son of Thanos."

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

"As an adult, Thanos attempts to create a new life for himself by starting a family. He is visited again by Mistress Death, for whom he murders his family."

He also "created" a daughter, Terraxia, during IG who was nothing but a vanity clone of himself. (See the picture you posted, showing her.) Yeah, Thanos *did* stuff like that....but they weren't *progeny,* they were *genetically engineered creatures.* When Nebula claimed to be Thanos' granddaughter during IG, he famously stated that he, the personification of Death, would never give life to someone.

Do you even understand the circumstances that allowed Nebula to grab the Gauntlet? Wish you'd read the books. (By the way, that's Terraxia behind Nebula.)

Which is understandable, seeing as it wasn't his movie.

Fair enough; but the whole point of Thanos is to build him up to be the Big Bad. This movie, and TDW in particular, *should* have been the movies to do just that, to create a lasting impression on audiences, to show Thanos as an invincible force to be feared by all, to show his relationships with Gamora and Nebula and Warlock and Tivan and Drax, to show him striving to *collect* the Infinity Stones rather than lose them to imbeciles.

Instead, we get lolthanos. Yay.

 

[ctsketch]

Except for the fact that comic-book accurate Thanos never had need of any henchmen (save for two attendants at his throne, and those were freakin' Death and Satan themselves); never had need of any armies or mercenaries; never had progeny; would *never* have made empty threats and not followed through on them with lethal precision; and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

But yeah, they got the *physical* look right. Too bad they made him all bark and no bite.

Ummm Gamora was Thanos' adopted daughter in the comics too..... and he has also had people by his side other than Death and Mephisto as well..

And he had his whole gauntlet stolen from him...

and basically every defeat he's had involved him not living up to some sort of threat....


Brush up on your thanos brah

 

[The Question]

Really? You get all your comic-book info from Wiki? Nice. Try *reading* them for a change.

I do read them. But I can't exactly cite random comics buried in my closet in an online discussion, can I?

Gamora was *never* Thanos' "lackey." She was a personal assassin with whom Thanos developed a personal relationship with *specifically* to take out The Magus (Adam Warlock's evil persona), who had killed her civilization. She wasn't some damn henchperson. (And certainly not his daughter.)

That's a distinction without a difference. Thanos has used henchmen and minions in the past. Your statement has clearly been proven wrong.

See, if you read the comics,

Which I have. I never indicated that I hadn't.

you'd understand *where* MCU Thanos is in his career/lifestory. He is obviously *well* past the early stages of his life. In his first appearances in Thanos War in a few issues of Captain Marvel, yeah, he was out for political gain and empire. It was *immediately* after that that Thanos met Lady Death and became the nihilist uber sitting on his throne of death….you know, the *iconic* Thanos we've had in the comics for the past 41 years.

… which has nothing to do with his needing the use of armies and mercenaries.

My point wasn't that he's in it for political gain in the MCU, my point was that you said that he's never needed armies or mercenaries in the comics, and that is patently false.

He also "created" a daughter, Terraxia, during IG who was nothing but a vanity clone of himself. (See the picture you posted, showing her.) Yeah, Thanos *did* stuff like that….but they weren't *progeny,* they were *genetically engineered creatures.*

1: No they weren't. Thane is Thanos' biological son.

2: Distinction without a difference.

When Nebula claimed to be Thanos' granddaughter during IG, he famously stated that he, the personification of Death, would never give life to someone.

Now who's the one who doesn't read the comics? Nebula claimed to be Thanos' granddaughter in her very first appearance, years before Infinity Gauntlet came out.

Do you even understand the circumstances that allowed Nebula to grab the Gauntlet?

Ahem…

and would have *never* (under ANY circumstances) allowed some other yahoo to steal his Infinity Gems away from him.

… so, when you said under any circumstances…

Wish you'd read the books.

I do. I gave no indication that I didn't. You made that up. Cut it out.

(By the way, that's Terraxia behind Nebula.)

… your point being?

Fair enough; but the whole point of Thanos is to build him up to be the Big Bad. This movie, and TDW in particular, *should* have been the movies to do just that, to create a lasting impression on audiences, to show Thanos as an invincible force to be feared by all, to show his relationships with Gamora and Nebula and Warlock and Tivan and Drax, to show him striving to *collect* the Infinity Stones rather than lose them to imbeciles.

Instead, we get lolthanos. Yay.

No we didn't. We got a larger villain who we don't know anything about who we will learn more about in the coming films. The movie was not about him, he was not the primary antagonist, to do anything more than establish his existence and establish a few key dynamics about the character would have done a disservice to the film.

They handled Thanos perfectly well for what they needed of him in Guardians. You're complaining over nothing.

 

[Broseph44]

And The Question wins again. It's almost pointless at this point to argue with Cherokee though. Remember how insistent he was on The Collector in GOTG being Thanos prior to the films release? I think he's become delusional. He seems to ignore certain facts and create his own theories or facts.

 

[ctsketch]

There are two kinds of people in the world

1. Those who eventually tire of being wrong

2. Sam

 

[jaqua99]

Exactly. I understand Marvel is trying to build Thanos up as some kind of Emperor-esque figure, but as of now he has achieved exactly nothing. We are always being told about him (like Korath's "Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe!"), but we never see anything significant. One of Thanos's marking aspects is that his raw power ultimately matters less than his intelligence and trickery. That's how he gets every single one of his victories.

As of now there is nothing to suggest Thanos is a genius in the MCU, and in fact he's just coming off as a loser who gets betrayed often and never really achieves anything.

They are establishing him as an emperor. Through fear, and "bark", for NOW.

I'd say it depends on the situation. Thanos himself isn't the top dog around. He got beaten down by Odin and the only thing he managed to do was to keep getting up. Him being called "the most powerful being in the universe" in Guardians is a big step up for him since he doesn't have the infinity stones.

I don't agree that they made him all bark and no bite either. Quite the contrary he actually seems like he has everything under pretty good control. Usually villains like that get angry when someone doesn't respect them enough and feel the need to make some display of their power, but Thanos just smiles at the idea of someone challenging him. That shows true confidence and he doesn't even have to bark as the thought of his bite is scaring everyone.

Well there isn't any bite. But that for the moment is okay. The only issue I have is when Ronan told him he was coming for him. Right before that, Thanos seemed to be getting angry. And after the threat Ronan made to him, Thanos just blinked off the seem, making him seem like, well..I'm not too sure. I didn't like that though.

And The Question wins again. It's almost pointless at this point to argue with Cherokee though. Remember how insistent he was on The Collector in GOTG being Thanos prior to the films release? I think he's become delusional. He seems to ignore certain facts and create his own theories or facts.

Dude, Come on. The collector thing was a bit much, yes. But he's providing some pretty good points. He's presenting facts, and DOES have a bias.
Stop making judgements from the peanut gallery lol He's a die hard Thanos fan, who, despite what any of you seem to think, DOES know Thanos probably better than most...short of myself of course . But he's presenting his opinion on the matter of Thanos, based on what he's read, and are altered by bias. Calling someone delusional, doesn't win an argument, and an argument, or discussion can be carried on easily without pointing fingers or calling names.

Personally, I too am not thrilled how Thanos is, simply just because of what Ronan said to Thanos during their last exchange of words. However, I get that they were trying to show the power of the gem, of someone who is mad.

Thanos has been threatened multiple times by lesser beings in the comics. Hell, Infinity Revelation, the Silver Surfer who has a history of being viciously beat down by Thanos said, "Titan, I warn you..." It is what it is.

They are establishing him as an emperor. Through fear, and "bark", for NOW is how they are establishing the intimidation. It seems that what we've seen, the only other thing they are trying to establish aside from the word of mouth within the MCU, is a personality. Which we started to get. We saw his face at the end of Avengers. In gotg, we got how the universe views him, and a little bit of a personality. It's fine for now, however...if he doesn't show anything by his next appearance, then yes, I too will have an issue.