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Joss is out of Wonder Woman

All I have to offer are my own guesses, assumptions and personal opinions. It's not like I'm qualified to offer someone else's. Obviously, I'm not in on the studio meetings, but based on Warner brother's track record as a studio ( and the studio mentality in general ) I doubt I'm too far off the mark here. I think as the months roll on, we'll find out what really happened here ( as well as with Goyer's Flash...which would have had both Barry Allen and Wally West. ) *sigh* What could have been...
I think it'll be awhile before we see any non Supes/Bats product coming from Warners, if ever. Which is a total shame.

As good as Goyer's ideas sounded, the guy isn't that good of a writer. Unlike with Batman Begins or Blade, he didn't have directors like Nolan, Norrington, or Del Toro there to redraft his scripts. WB may have simply been not impressed with what he wrote. *shrugs*
 
Hell, let Allan Heinberg write it. He did real good with the comics, imo.

And oh my gosh, I love the fact that Tomb Raider somehow got brought up as a feminist character
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. Name me one woman you know who likes Lara Croft. Just one. And Angelina Jolie doesn't count. Let's not fool ourselves; female heroes fight an uphill battle in popular culture every single day. For every Buffy or Alias or Ripley, there's a Catwoman or Elektra or Aeon Flux just waiting to lower the bar.
 
Hell, let Allan Heinberg write it. He did real good with the comics, imo.

And oh my gosh, I love the fact that Tomb Raider somehow got brought up as a feminist character
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. Name me one woman you know who likes Lara Croft. Just one. And Angelina Jolie doesn't count. Let's not fool ourselves; female heroes fight an uphill battle in popular culture every single day. For every Buffy or Alias or Ripley, there's a Catwoman or Elektra or Aeon Flux just waiting to lower the bar.

Amen.
 
Hello thread for fans of the WW project! All i have to say is that this made my whole week!!!!!

never have i come on to SHH and read a head line that made me happier then seeing Joss Whedon stripped of a movie! I cant stand the guy and believe he is the worst thing to ever happen to marvel comics, let alone getting to do another "female/hero" character or movie. The guy just isnt any good. And i know... i know... that comes as a shock to some of the purist hopeful fans on here, but he sucks.

My girlfriend who was a die hard fan and "loved" serenity in theaters couldnt watch it the second time on DVD saying "what the hell did i see in this movie". The guy is too cookie cutter, here is every female in his books: "I am a weapon, but i am also a girl. I have a purpose to fulfill and i must go towards my destiny but inside i just want to be normal... and loved!!!" and oh yeah.... did i mention... "I AM A BAD ASS FIGHTER!!!!"

Did anyone actually read the "DANGER ROOM GIRL" comics he made for marvel? That everyone pretty much agrees was absolute ****! Now on the lastest issue of Xmen we have a picture of a scared wolverine and that is as good as the comic gets sadly!

Joss Whedon is a hack that I honestly thought was made for movies like wonder woman... you know... an amazon princess with a golden rope, big hair, kick ass fighting, and absolutely ridiculous in every way possible!!!! I think if anyone could capture that... it would be him! But it still makes me happy to see him told he is a talentless hack and they are giving the project over to two newbies!
 
Well, there goes the only possible reason I would ever care about a Wonder Woman movie...

Oh well, this actually is good news. Wonder Woman's a lame character, it's better that Whedon's not wasting his time and talent on her. Give him a Green Lantern film or something (and he can cast his buddy Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan).
 
Well, there goes the only possible reason I would ever care about a Wonder Woman movie...

Oh well, this actually is good news. Wonder Woman's a lame character, it's better that Whedon's not wasting his time and talent on her. Give him a Green Lantern film or something (and he can cast his buddy Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan).

i dont agree with you about whedon but i do agree with you about Wonder Woman. DC characters need an extreme revamping and quick. I swear it is the CAREBEARS of comics. Why cant they just ditch the dumb outfits and the silly orgins and just try to.. i dont know... move with the times?
 
:whatever: Ok, moving on from Jr. High....

A possible new wrinkle from over at IESB.Net

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1816&Itemid=99


So what’s going on over W.B.? I made a couple quick calls to our sources over at D.C. Comics and have been told that it appears as if The Flash will be shelved for the time being but that Wonder Woman has been put on the “Fast Track” and it’s expected to have a new director announced very soon.
So what about that Wonder Woman spec script?
As reported by the trades earlier in the week, Joel Silver is very impressed with Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland script and that is why they are in the process of being brought aboard to be the new writers of the project.
We have been told to expect an announcement soon in regards to Wonder Woman.

It will be interesting to see if this pans out, and we do get an announcment soon in regards to Wonder Woman. I seriously hope it's someone with some fan and critical cred, not just a studio yes person a la Tim Story. However, sometimes the "scoops" at IESB.net turn out to be false...earlier this week they posted that JJ ABrams was off the new Star Trek movie, and that turned out to be false. So ya never know.
 
MTV.com has a piece on the whole thing, but since that site takes forever and a day to load, I present it for you here:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1551562/20070202/story.jhtml

Joss Whedon No Longer Attached To Write, Direct 'Wonder Woman'

'I had a take on the film that, well, nobody liked,' he explains in Web post.

By Jennifer Vineyard


After working on the script for nearly two years, Joss Whedon announced Friday (February 2) that he is no longer attached to write and direct the new big-screen adaptation of "Wonder Woman."

"It's pretty complicated, so bear with me," he wrote on his Web site under the heading, "Satin Tights No Longer." "I had a take on the film that, well, nobody liked. Hey, not that complicated."

Earlier this week, Warner Bros. and Silver Pictures bought a "Wonder Woman" spec script — featuring a story set during World War II — by newcomers Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland. Sources said the companies bought the spec script as a pre-emptive legal measure to take it off the market and protect them against any possible similarities between the script Whedon penned and the one written by Jennison and Strickland. That script will now act as the replacement to Whedon's.

"Let me stress that everybody at the studio and Silver Pictures were cool and professional," Whedon wrote. "We just saw different movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's never gonna work. Non-sympatico. It happens all the time."

This might come as a shock to those who thought the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" creator was the perfect man for the job — after all, strong female characters who kick butt are kind of his calling card. So what would Whedon's "Wonder Woman" have looked like? While he was still attached to the project, Whedon told MTV News that he planned to tell the story of the origin of Wonder Woman, using "a lot of the mythos from the very oldest comics" and ample amounts of Greek mythology.

"There's been a lot of good runs on the comic," he said, "but there hasn't been ... [an] origin issue ... one you can plop down and say, 'Make this.' The story hasn't been told exactly the way it needs to be told in the movie, so I have to do a lot of legwork myself, and make it seem like I didn't, and make it seem natural to her world."

Instead of World War II, Whedon's story was going to place Wonder Woman in modern times, to make her a "viable modern-day figure" and showcase her inability to fit into society. "She's a fish out of water. It's basically 'Splash,' " he joked. "I just took the script from 'Splash' and changed some of the names."

Whedon had hoped to take some of what could be considered campy aspects of the Wonder Woman persona — the bracelets, the lasso, the invisible jet — explain why they exist and make them "absolutely central to the entire movie." "The bracelets and the lasso are so much part of who she is and the journey she goes through," Whedon said. "They're not just cute and they're definitely not silly and she's not going to spin to change her clothes."

Because he was taking so long to deliver a version of the script that the studio — and producer Joel Silver — wanted, Whedon wrote that he realized, "it was never gonna be a simple slam-dunk." But one of the agreements he made with the studio was that "there was no schedule of any kind," so he was free to take as long as he needed to write the script. "This may have come back to bite me slightly, as I have struggled and struggled to get it done," Whedon told MTV News. "I've been whining about it quite a lot. I'd like to perhaps not be remembered for the whining."

In his post, Whedon said while he was disappointed that he was no longer affiliated with the project after all this time, he was also relieved that he wasn't in some "horrible limbo of development." "So I'm a free man," he wrote.

Which means, "I never have to answer THAT question again!" he wrote, obviously a reference to the tirelessly posed question of which actress will fill Wonder Woman's shoes (see "Lindsay? Cameron? Mischa? Who Should Be The Next Wonder Woman?"). To illustrate his frustration at being asked the question, Whedon had relayed this anecdote to MTV News: "I literally had lunch with a studio executive where I told him, 'It's driving me crazy, all everyone wants to know is who I'm casting, and I'm not finished with the script,' and he said, 'Yeah, so who are you going to cast?' 'And it's actually driving me crazy, where I have to seek therapy because of it.' all everyone wants to know is who I'm casting, and I'm not finished with the script,' and he said, 'Yeah, so who are you going to cast?' 'And it's actually driving me crazy, where I have to seek therapy because of it.' 'So who do you want to cast? Come on, it's fun to play.' Oh my God, he won't stop. It's the only thing I ever get asked. I'm more tired of it than you can possibly imagine."

So to close the book on the subject, Whedon wrote in his announcement, "Finally and forever: I never had an actress picked out, or even a consistent front-runner. ... All right, it was Cobie Smulders [from TV's 'How I Met Your Mother']. Sorry, Cobes."
 
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think he was un-excited about Wonder Woman. I've read many interviews where he talked alot about how great she was and how great all the things she stands for are. What was frustrating for him I think was coming up with something the suits were gonna get behind. Like i've stated before, all of Joss' stuff have been cult hits with a somewhat quirky sensibility. I think clearly the studio wanted something more mainstream. As someone earlier in this thread liked to point out, I'm not "all knowing" but I'd say it's a damn good guess.

That´s the easy explanation, "the suits want something cheesier and more commercial", but it´s the same studio that let Chris Nolan do Batman, so it doesn´t quite apply. I also read many interviews where Whedom talked about what a hard time he was having with the script, which perfectly fits my feelings that this just wasn´t going to be his thing. It was probably a good thing for both WW and Whedom that he´s out.

If the studio wants the easy route, why are they interested in a script set in WW II? It´s a pretty bold move to make a movie about a superhero that´s clearly a period piece, nobody ever did that - expect for Dick Tracy, but the character is completely from the thirties, WW is currently published as a modern character.
 
That´s the easy explanation, "the suits want something cheesier and more commercial", but it´s the same studio that let Chris Nolan do Batman, so it doesn´t quite apply. I also read many interviews where Whedom talked about what a hard time he was having with the script, which perfectly fits my feelings that this just wasn´t going to be his thing. It was probably a good thing for both WW and Whedom that he´s out.

If the studio wants the easy route, why are they interested in a script set in WW II? It´s a pretty bold move to make a movie about a superhero that´s clearly a period piece, nobody ever did that - expect for Dick Tracy, but the character is completely from the thirties, WW is currently published as a modern character.

I think at this point we are just gonna have to wait and see,i doubt that WW will be made into some Fast and the Furious type movie personally
 
I think at this point we are just gonna have to wait and see,i doubt that WW will be made into some Fast and the Furious type movie personally

Neither do I. The studio tried to go all cheesy and silly with B&R and Catwoman and it didn´t pay off. BB and SR may not have been Spider-Man-like juggernauts, but they still brought a lot more result than these two. V For Vendetta did well too.
 
Neither do I. The studio tried to go all cheesy and silly with B&R and Catwoman and it didn´t pay off. BB and SR may not have been Spider-Man-like juggernauts, but they still brought a lot more result than these two. V For Vendetta did well too.

I think the problem here is that Whedon fans are unwilling to accept that maybe he just wasn't right,he's talented IMO but that doesn't mean he is right for the project and to me i feel that there may have been an issue over what Whedon wanted to make WW given that he is used to creating his own characters
 
I think the problem here is that Whedon fans are unwilling to accept that maybe he just wasn't right,he's talented IMO but that doesn't mean he is right for the project and to me i feel that there may have been an issue over what Whedon wanted to make WW given that he is used to creating his own characters

Yeah, just for starters he didn´t want to use a villain from the comics - what would be wrong with using Ares, for instance? - Comic book fans have screamed bloody murder for much less than that...
 
Yeah, just for starters he didn´t want to use a villain from the comics - what would be wrong with using Ares, for instance? - Comic book fans have screamed bloody murder for much less than that...

Exactly,starting out by not using a villain from the comics is a rocky road IMO
 
I'm relieved. After all the time he was on the project, he never sounded confident, or even excited. There was never anything to talk about. It shouldn't have taken that long to produce something worth talking about in public. In recent comments, he sounded almost frustrated...like he didn't know if it was going to work out. At that point, it's time to step aside and give someone else a shot.


Yeah, and all that new coverage of possible casting. Boy, was that frustrating.
 
I think the problem here is that Whedon fans are unwilling to accept that maybe he just wasn't right,he's talented IMO but that doesn't mean he is right for the project and to me i feel that there may have been an issue over what Whedon wanted to make WW given that he is used to creating his own characters

We'll have to see his treatment to know for sure.
 
Too bad Joss was good at giving Women strong Roles even though he mutated Ripley he made her far more dangerous in doing so and Buffy is nearly Iconic.


WB just keeps stalling on thier lesser known DC titles...murky gray waters now lie ahead for projects we were all looking forward to.

Meanwhile Marvel is plugging away, both Iron Man Hulk 2 and FF 2 are goes greenlit some in production alreay others casted or casting reving up engines.

Iron Man is so well cast at this point it aint even funny.
 
Too bad Joss was good at giving Women strong Roles even though he mutated Ripley he made her far more dangerous in doing so and Buffy is nearly Iconic.


WB just keeps stalling on thier lesser known DC titles...murky gray waters now lie ahead for projects we were all looking forward to.

Meanwhile Marvel is plugging away, both Iron Man Hulk 2 and FF 2 are goes greenlit some in production alreay others casted or casting reving up engines.

Iron Man is so well cast at this point it aint even funny.

What was funny about it in the 1st place? They have a good director. Marvel got lucky on that one.
 
Yeah, the same WB that held out for years on both Batman and Superman until they had two gems in Batman Begins and Superman Returns (even if you didn't like SR, you've gotta admit, it certainly wasn't Fast Food Entertainment) have now done a total 360 and decided that they want another Batman & Robin. Have you ever thought - have you ever even considered - that maybe, just maybe what Whedon was writer simply wasn't that good, and WB knew it, and wanted nothing of it? Do you think, for maybe a second, WB is looking for a good script and director to make them money, not some guy who - by his own admission - was struggling to even iron out a good draft?

I agree!
 
I love how people suddenly think this film will be on the fast track now...

imo, joss was the closest we'll get to seeing a WW movie in this decade.
 
The only thing i´m sad about is because i like the way Jos Whedon thinks.
I´m a huge fan of Buffy and Angel, and it was always a huge homage to comic books.
Buffy is a superhero, and he always dwelled on importand and serious stuff, and not just the hero and villain fighting it out.
As for WW....
It was taken too damn long, and i don´t know what he wanted to do with it, my biggest fear was that he wanted to make a Buffy-like, and WW is not Buffy.
So,i´m a bit sad, but i´m fairly optimistic :)
 
I love how people suddenly think this film will be on the fast track now...

imo, joss was the closest we'll get to seeing a WW movie in this decade.

I doubt it. I think this may be for the better, seeing as Joss was struggling, and he wanted to use his own villain. Though right now I'm curious about this spec script WB is impressed with.
 
I love Joss and I think he is capable of amazing work. BUT, he wasn't right for WW. He likes to have total control over his work and not answer to anyone, and you can't do that here. His dismisal from WW was clearly over egos, which I think Joss has a huge one.

I think this is for the best... I'm not saying we are def. going to get a WW masterpiece, but I feel more confident now.
 
Wow, I wasnt really worried about Whedons writing, it was his directing that gave me pause, personally I felt he needed another movie under his belt before doing Wonder Woman.
I kinda think this is gonna sit for awhile now and go nowhere fast but you never know.
I take it this means we are now gonna have sit through the Cameron should do it, no Ridley should do it, no Jackson should do it, insert fanboy favorite here ________________.
 

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