The Dark Knight Let's debate various aspects of TDK

[The Battousai]

America is the only country where you can debate. You can't debate in Soviet Russia. Its a joke man........Why so serious? Only Verbal Kent can understand.

 

[guitarkhero311]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats what I'm talkin about. Damn Terrorists. GO BUSH!!!!









before you get mad, I hate president bush. Sic Semper Tyrannus.

 

[gambit420]

True guys, I'm also very curious as to where Mr J plans his outings from aswell. And
does he just go around with the big rig wreaking havoc, shooting bazookas @ cop/mob cars, helicopters randomly? He's an absolute..yes but what f@ck up thing drives him ya know? How/Why? did the mob recruit him(if they even 'hired') him to take care of the batproblem or did HE seek them? Why?

Has he been "underground" for awhile so as to make his own clothes, no prints from chemical exposure wrinkling from applying the paint for so long(also could explain the rash-like appearance-from never taking it off)magnifying the scar he embraces..

I believe whatever doesn't kill you..only makes you stranger

 

[Keyser Sushi]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats what I'm talkin about. Damn Terrorists. GO BUSH!!!!









before you get mad, I hate president bush. Sic Semper Tyrannus.

You should probably just stop talking. You aren't making much sense anyway...

 

[Victarion]

Fellows, what's your opinion on the hype that surrounds Heath's Joker--will it lead to mass disappointments, do you think? Not necessarily a bad performance. I agree with Keyser about Caine forgetting his lines. Also, I don't think an actor as well-respected as Caine would spout praise to appease a few studio executives. At the beginning where I mentioned disappointments, I was thinking more in terms of the amount of time Joker will get. With Joker, Harvey Dent, Maroni and Gamble, the sons of the batman, and of course Batman himself, there's a lot going on in a limited amount of screen time.

 

[Prefix]

Wow, I didn't say you were. But thanks for reading my post.

The suggestion was obvious.

 

[StorminNorman]

Fellows, what's your opinion on the hype that surrounds Heath's Joker--will it lead to mass disappointments, do you think? Not necessarily a bad performance. I agree with Keyser about Caine forgetting his lines. Also, I don't think an actor as well-respected as Caine would spout praise to appease a few studio executives. At the beginning where I mentioned disappointments, I was thinking more in terms of the amount of time Joker will get. With Joker, Harvey Dent, Maroni and Gamble, the sons of the batman, and of course Batman himself, there's a lot going on in a limited amount of screen time.

There wasn't a lot of screen time left for Jonathon Craine though, too. Yet Cillian Murphy did a lot with the role and made his performance really stand out. I feel that The Joker, whose performance will be far larger as is, will steal every scene he is in and give us the impression he is in more of the film than he man be in reality.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

There wasn't a lot of screen time left for Jonathon Craine though, too. Yet Cillian Murphy did a lot with the role and made his performance really stand out. I feel that The Joker, whose performance will be far larger as is, will steal every scene he is in and give us the impression he is in more of the film than he man be in reality.

As he already does in the trailer.

 

[StorminNorman]

One thing I think is interesting to think about is the impact Batman Begins had on recent Pop Culturally Relevant movies.

Casino Royale
Iron Man
Watchmen

Video Games like Infamous have also mentioned Batman Begins being a big inspiration.

Batman Begins is probably one of the most Pop Culturally important films in immediate history.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

One thing I think is interesting to think about is the impact Batman Begins had on recent Pop Culturally Relevant movies.

Casino Royale
Iron Man
Watchmen

Video Games like Infamous have also mentioned Batman Begins being a big inspiration.

Batman Begins is probably one of the most Pop Culturally important films in immediate history.

Hrmmm, now you HAVE to tell me how Begins impacted Iron Man and Watchmen - I've REALLY been out of the loop here.

 

[StorminNorman]

Hrmmm, now you HAVE to tell me how Begins impacted Iron Man and Watchmen - I've REALLY been out of the loop here.

Batman Begins proved that Superhero Movies could live up to the talent cast in them. Jon Favreu said that after Nolan's cast in Batman Begins - it was far easier to get actors like Downey, Bridges, etc. to make a real, serious Superhero movie.

The success of Batman Begins, a darker Superhero movie, helped oil the wheels of Watchmen's production.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Batman Begins proved that Superhero Movies could live up to the talent cast in them. Jon Favreu said that after Nolan's cast in Batman Begins - it was far easier to get actors like Downey, Bridges, etc. to make a real, serious Superhero movie.

I didn't know Jon had said that, but I like the sentiment. And Iron Man does look like it's going to be quite a ride. Of course it seems there's like a dozen movies I'm looking forward to this summer, but the only one that really matters to me is TDK.

The success of Batman Begins, a darker Superhero movie, helped oil the wheels of Watchmen's production.

That does stand to reason - especially as it's another DC property. I do wish Warner's wasn't afraid to do some other DC titles, too...

 

[Crook]

Batman Begins proved that Superhero Movies could live up to the talent cast in them.

Eh, I always felt that title was deserved by X-Men and Spider-Man first. BB seems to be getting most of that attention, because of the number of veterans they managed to get.

 

[StorminNorman]

I didn't know Jon had said that, but I like the sentiment. And Iron Man does look like it's going to be quite a ride. Of course it seems there's like a dozen movies I'm looking forward to this summer, but the only one that really matters to me is TDK.



That does stand to reason - especially as it's another DC property. I do wish Warner's wasn't afraid to do some other DC titles, too...

Keyser, where do you think Nolan should head in BB3?

I know others have talked about writing out the Joker, recasting the Joker etc.

Your views on the Joker in a third Bat Film?

Your views on other villains that should be brought in?

How perfect is Paul Bettany as The Riddler?

Justice League: Keyser's thoughts?

 

[StorminNorman]

Eh, I always felt that title was deserved by X-Men and Spider-Man first. BB seems to be getting most of that attention, because of the number of veterans they managed to get.

I am just going by what Jon was saying t:

The cast of Spider-Man had no one on the level of Michael Caine, or Morgan Freeman.

 

[Crook]

I am just going by what Jon was saying t:

The cast of Spider-Man had no one on the level of Michael Caine, or Morgan Freeman.

None of their rep, but then again they are vets. Caine and Freeman weren't particularly amazing, they played themselves. The most outstanding performances out of these comic book movies came from the newcomers.

 

[wikum]

One thing I think is interesting to think about is the impact Batman Begins had on recent Pop Culturally Relevant movies.

Casino Royale
Iron Man
Watchmen

Video Games like Infamous have also mentioned Batman Begins being a big inspiration.

Batman Begins is probably one of the most Pop Culturally important films in immediate history.

i completely agree.

batman begins made a lot of these other superhero film makers...and even film makers of big continuous franchises like bond stand up and take notice.

one of these things was definitely casting. nolan knew that first and foremost that he needed a great cast to make his batman franchise a success. look at the similarities of the casting of iron man and hulk compared to batman begins. ed norton, robert downey jr, jeff bridges and tim roth are all amazing actors.
secondly, a lot of these films were becoming to "spot fest" orientated. if you don't know what i mean by "spot fest"....i mean explosion followed by explosion followed by shooting followed by a bigger explosion, with a load of fancy gadgets and without a moving/deep story. i truly believe that when the bond guys saw batman begins...they thought to themselves "**** the brosnan era....lets make something dark" and casino royale was born. some of these movies got too kiddy friendly. nolan once said something along the lines of "just because a story is deep and has meaning, it doesn't mean that the kids don't understand and enjoy it. i think kids understand things a lot quicker than most adults". i couldn't agree more.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Keyser, where do you think Nolan should head in BB3?

I've always had the desire to see him turn things on their ear in BB3. I've said many times in the past that I thought it'd be fun to pull a Sherlock Holmes "The Final Problem" and have Batman appear to die taking out a resurrected Ra's. But the way things have developed storywise, it's more likely that Two-Face will own the show in BB3.

Still, doing something unexpected with the story would be a good move. And I do think it should be able to stand as a trilogy, with some sort of resolution in the end, though of course, still leaving a setup for a fourth if the stars align. t:

I know others have talked about writing out the Joker, recasting the Joker etc.

Your views on the Joker in a third Bat Film?

Back in the day, when we'd heard Goyer's old plan to have Joker scar Harvey, I wanted to see Harvey go after Joker for revenge and Batman have to protect Joker from Two-Face. As much fun as that would have been I don't see it happening now.

If Joker has a role to play in the 3rd one, by all means recast. It sucks to have to do it, sure, but it doesn't have to suck filmically, if you know what I mean. There are plenty of actors out there who can do a great Joker performance. The difference is it won't by any means be the same as Heath's. Nor should it be.

Your views on other villains that should be brought in?

I really wouldn't mind seeing Ra's return in a surprise twist. I won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen, but I'll be totally impressed if it does. There's always room to fit in Penguin or Riddler in a minor capacity with the option to expand their roles later. And Catwoman is always enjoyable.

How perfect is Paul Bettany as The Riddler?

Paul Bettany is perfect for anything he sets his mind to.

Spoiler

Especially that.

Justice League: Keyser's thoughts?

Abject horror.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

i completely agree.

batman begins made a lot of these other superhero film makers...and even film makers of big continuous franchises like bond stand up and take notice.

one of these things was definitely casting. nolan knew that first and foremost that he needed a great cast to make his batman franchise a success. look at the similarities of the casting of iron man and hulk compared to batman begins. ed norton, robert downey jr, jeff bridges and tim roth are all amazing actors.
secondly, a lot of these films were becoming to "spot fest" orientated. if you don't know what i mean by "spot fest"....i mean explosion followed by explosion followed by shooting followed by a bigger explosion, with a load of fancy gadgets and without a moving/deep story. i truly believe that when the bond guys saw batman begins...they thought to themselves "**** the brosnan era....lets make something dark" and casino royale was born. some of these movies got too kiddy friendly. nolan once said something along the lines of "just because a story is deep and has meaning, it doesn't mean that the kids don't understand and enjoy it. i think kids understand things a lot quicker than most adults". i couldn't agree more.

Re: "spot fest," -- Too right. When a movie focuses on these big set pieces back to back to back the story doesn't have a lot of room to develop. Batman Forever, for instance, had a lot of good ideas in it and a lot of good moments, but due to the seemingly endless parade of fantastical sets and Batman-saves-the-day setups, the story was robbed of most of its good dramatic potential. The Flying Graysons die and once the Circus scene is over, Dick doesn't seem to have much to say about the matter. Sure he wants to go hunt down their killer but where's the emotion? It isn't there.

And speaking of Two-Face, here's a guy who has a great, tragic origin and the movie didn't even touch it except in the most perfunctory of ways. Riddler could have had a compelling arc as written, but it got played down in favor of comedy. And with all these characters having to juggle plot threads, there was barely any room for character arcs anyway. So yeah, I totally agree with that part of your post.

Re: Casino Royale and Bond in general -- I don't think the aim in making CR was to make a "darker" Bond movie, nor do I think that darkness is what Begins notably brought to the table - not that it wasn't dark, it was quite dark - but Batman is inherently dark if you treat the material respectfully. It's that respect, and the notion of doing a serious dramatic film that evolves into a comic book, that Begins introduced to the world.

Casino Royale is very much "Bond Begins," but it isn't about darkness (though that is there, too, in the, to quote Fleming "rather cold way" in which Bond goes about his business) but rather about respecting the material and treating it seriously. Bond becomes a badass again because he's treated with respect by his producers, writers, and director.

And yes, kids do appreciate these things too. Even as a kid I found Roger Moore disappointing, and Connery inspiring.

 

[deathfromabove]

) but rather about respecting the material and treating it seriously.

thats the big difference imo...

 

[Keyser Sushi]

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thats the big difference imo...

Definitely - because what made Batman Begins and Casino Royale great was that they returned their respective characters to their roots, to their true selves.

 

[deathfromabove]

Definitely - because what made Batman Begins and Casino Royale great was that they returned their respective characters to their roots, to their true selves.

i agree completely. sometimes by stripping a character of all the baggage they have aquired over the years you can see what was so great about them in the first place.

much like what was done to scarecrow in begins and much like what is being done to the joker in dark knight.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Batman Begins proved that Superhero Movies could live up to the talent cast in them. Jon Favreu said that after Nolan's cast in Batman Begins - it was far easier to get actors like Downey, Bridges, etc. to make a real, serious Superhero movie.

The success of Batman Begins, a darker Superhero movie, helped oil the wheels of Watchmen's production.

I agree Norm. I'm anxious where they will go after TDK.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

i agree completely. sometimes by stripping a character of all the baggage they have aquired over the years you can see what was so great about them in the first place.

much like what was done to scarecrow in begins and much like what is being done to the joker in dark knight.

Amen!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Definitely - because what made Batman Begins and Casino Royale great was that they returned their respective characters to their roots, to their true selves.

Not really. What both films did was make their characters relevant to the here and now. They are the "updated" versions.