BvS Lex Luthor Casting Thread - Part 4

[ThePowerCosmic]

I do think the baldness is necessary at some point, but it's okay to show a Lex with hair who becomes bald. That's been shown in comics, movies, and on TV quite a few times.

I'd rather they start out with a bald Lex. Don't want to go through the motions of waiting for him to lose his hair.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'd rather they start out with a bald Lex. Don't want to go through the motions of waiting for him to lose his hair.

Same. Plus I don't think there needs to be some plotline explaining why Lex is bald. That's incredibly stupid. Why would anyone care about why Lex loses his hair? Waste of screen time. One of the worst ideas pertaining to Lex.

 

[TheBat812]

I'd rather they start out with a bald Lex. Don't want to go through the motions of waiting for him to lose his hair.

Eh IMO you can have this moment help define him if you do it right and build up he stakes. Would TDK have been better if we had avoided 'going through the motions' of Harvey losing half his face? I know lex losing his hair isn't as integral to the character/lore as two face, but it could help differentiate this lex from the other film incarnations while adding an extra level of characterization and motivation.

If it were merely to fill the audience in on why he has no hair, I agree, that's meaningless and a waste of time. But it could definitely be used to their advantage if they so choose.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Same. Plus I don't think there needs to be some plotline explaining why Lex is bald. That's incredibly stupid. Why would anyone care about why Lex loses his hair? Waste of screen time. One of the worst ideas pertaining to Lex.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Eh IMO you can have this moment help define him if you do it right and build up he stakes. Would TDK have been better if we had avoided 'going through the motions' of Harvey losing half his face? I know lex losing his hair isn't as integral to the character/lore as two face, but it could help differentiate this lex from the other film incarnations while adding an extra level of characterization and motivation.

Like you said, it's nothing like Two-Face or even Joker. There are plenty of levels of characterization and motivation for Lex already that don't require us seeing how he came to lose his hair. Not feeling that idea.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Eh IMO you can have this moment help define him if you do it right and build up he stakes. Would TDK have been better if we had avoided 'going through the motions' of Harvey losing half his face? I know lex losing his hair isn't as integral to the character/lore as two face, but it could help differentiate this lex from the other film incarnations while adding an extra level of characterization and motivation.

If it were merely to fill the audience in on why he has no hair, I agree, that's meaningless and a waste of time. But it could definitely be used to their advantage if they so choose.

The thing is, modern Lex is an attractive dude. And the fact that he's bald doesn't bring his looks down.

I know his hair loss used to be blamed on Superman, but there are soooooooooooooo many better reasons for Lex to hate Superman.


Seriously? We want Lex losing his hair to be the reason he hates Superman?

And I'm sorry, but comparing Harvey losing half of his fricking face to Lex losing his hair is LAUGHABLE

Lex's baldness shouldn't even be explained. He should just be bald from the start. None of the story should revolve around Lex losing his hair. That's boring as ****.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yeah, that was some serious reaching on his part.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The only definitive thing about Lex's look is his baldness. That's the only thing that sets him apart from every other ginger in a suit. It's his iconic look. It's as important to his look as Superman's suit is. It is his supervillain costume (SOMETIMES he's in his powersuit sure, but still...) The suit and the baldness. That's Lex. It's so easy to do it right. No hair for Lex. No stupid explanations for baldness. People shave their heads, it doesn't have to be explained.

 

[regwec]

Yeah, that was some serious reaching on his part.

At least he recognised that it was.

The fact that we have to explain a character's hairline now is evidence of the curse of Nolan & Goyer.

 

[TheBat812]

The explanation you gave is only one of many possibilities. It doesn't have to be about vanity. I'm not saying it should happen, but it very well could and if it were done right I wouldn't be against it. I don't have a preference either way. I just think people shouldn't be so closed minded and absolutist.

There's a difference between just doing something for explanation and using information we have about them to further enhance their characterization. Nothing Nolan did was just so it would have an explanation, it always gave new meaning and expanded upon the characters and their relationships with each other in a important way.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

The explanation you gave is only one of many possibilities. It doesn't have to be about vanity. I'm not saying it should happen, but it very well could and if it were done right I wouldn't be against it. I don't have a preference either way. I just think people shouldn't be so closed minded and absolutist.

Please enlighten us, then. How would you do it?

And by the way, it comes down to ones' personal preference. We've seen a Lex with "hair" in the old Superman movies and at the start of SR.

I don't want to see that anymore.

 

[regwec]

I just think people shouldn't be so closed minded and absolutist.

Here is a selfie I took the other day:

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Here is a selfie I took the other day:

You must use great conditioner.

 

[charl_huntress]

Lex losing his hair could have nothing to do with Superman or it could have everything to do with him. There are many ways that could play. It doesn't have to fit any particular scenario that's been shown before. It could be a new approach...or heck...how about this? Maybe this Lex will have hair and will never be bald?

I do want him to be bald, but I do like the idea of Lex being on top of the world and then losing it all...including his hair...lol

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Oh yeah, we also got a Luthor with hair in Lois and Clark. Barf. Forgot about that one for a sec.

 

[charl_huntress]

See I do understand the frustration of saying I have seen Lex lose his hair before and I hated that!!! I never want to see it again. I get it. I do, but there is something to be said for watching a villain being "born". When it's done right, it's a good thing. Yes, we've seen it done poorly, but it could be used as a pivotal turning point for the character, and it might be done very well.

 

[TheBat812]

Please enlighten us, then. How would you do it?

And by the way, it comes down to ones' personal preference. We've seen a Lex with "hair" in the old Superman movies and at the start of SR.

I don't want to see that anymore.

Just off the top of my head, his growing obsession with superman leads him to increased work with radioactive kryptonite, which has unforeseen side effects. Maybe superman saves him from a plan of his gone wrong, embarrassing him and leaving him with a permanent reminder of his humiliation. I dunno, depending on the use of the other characters there are so many possibilities, all dependent on setup and execution.

Once again, I'm not saying it should happen, but that they certainly could do it well if they so choose and if it helps enhance the story they're trying to tell.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Just off the top of my head, his growing obsession with superman leads him to increased work with radioactive kryptonite, which has unforeseen side effects. Maybe superman saves him from a plan of his gone wrong, embarrassing him and leaving him with a permanent reminder of his humiliation. I dunno, depending on the use of the other characters there are so many possibilities, all dependent on setup and execution.

Once again, I'm not saying it should happen, but that they certainly could do it well if they so choose and if it helps enhance the story they're trying to tell.

That actually doesn't sound bad, but Lex is reminded of his humiliation every time he looks out that window and down onto Metropolis. The fact that he's lost his city to Superman is the humiliation. There are just so many things about Lex that can still be achieved without hair loss.

 

[charl_huntress]

I'd like to see Lex lose his hair due to trying to gain Superman's powers. The Lex I see in this version has everything...except he can't fly or shoot laser beams from his eyes. He would covet that because that's the type of man he is. He'd want that power for himself. I could see him experimenting on himself which would harken to his scientist days, or he could use some technology that fires his scalp. There are a lot of ways they could do it, but the point is it can be done well.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Lex can still do that stuff without losing his hair. I just don't want to see it done that way.

 

[TheBat812]

Yes, but nothing wrong with multiple forms of motivation and giving a powerful reason for Lex's baldness. Also, we don't know metropolis's reaction to Supes after the events of MoS. As far as I can tell the beginning of BvS could see lex rise as the public savior of the city as he rebuilds it while superman is looked at with distrust. In which case your original suggestion doesn't work just get as motivation.

But we could do this for days, lol, there are so many variables.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yes, but nothing wrong with multiple forms of motivation and giving a powerful reason for Lex's baldness. Also, we don't know metropolis's reaction to Supes after the events of MoS. As far as I can tell the beginning of BvS could see lex rise as the public savior of the city as he rebuilds it while superman is looked at with distrust. In which case your original suggestion doesn't work just get as motivation.

But we could do this for days, lol, there are so many variables.

Why wouldn't it work? In the comics, Lex is still the guy that "helps out" Metropolis even though Superman is looked to as the big savior. That is what ticks Luthor off.

Nothing has led me to believe that Superman will be met with distrust in this next movie, so we'll have to see.

 

[super-t]

As a matter of fact id like to see a Lex with like VERY short hair like stubble that he wears bc he likes it as opposed to the hair loss version.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I would be okay with that. As long as he's bald.

 

[charl_huntress]

But we could do this for days, lol, there are so many variables.

lol...for me that's the fun of it since I don't plan on spoiling myself.

Power...I get you don't want to see it. I do. I don't want to see Doomsday, but that seems likely. I guess my point is Lex losing his hair could be done well as part of his transformation to the ultimate villain.

As for the sequel I actually think there will be a strong contingent of people who will not trust the alien. If he's in the movie then I'd like to see Lex using that sentiment to his advantage to create powerful weapons and technology to "protect" the people.