The Dark Knight Rises Life after Nolan: What comes next...

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Yeah, and what if the new director is Michael Bay? And what directors are better?!

I'm not one to call other directors better than others, just different. Or I prefer to just deal in preferences. And in my previous post I listed a handful of filmmakers I love. And personally I think in the 90s Alex Proyas could have given us a masterful take on Batman. Too bad he's become a hack(like Zemeckis).

I really wouldn't even want a new director to try to be 'better' than Nolan. Just do their own thing and their own style. There is no reason they would need to try and top what Chris Nolan has done.
 
I agree with you, to a point. It gets on my nerves whenever people talk about how Nolan is "afraid" to use villains like Mr. Freeze, Clayface, etc. What the hell is he afraid of? He knew going in that he was going to have a limited number of films, that he had a certain vision for those films, and in all likelihood, he probably knew the villains that would best fit that vision beforehand. So because he makes movies with a more grounded tone and isn't going to toss every villain in the rogue's gallery in there, he's some sort of coward? Was Burton afraid of using Egghead or King Tut? :o The absurdity of it is almost like thinking Adam West's Batman should have had a Joker with a cut smile.

However, I don't think Nolan's movies are infallible or above criticism. While I don't think Nolan should be attacked merely for giving us a different take on the character, I think that fidelity to the source material should at least be given some consideration. I mean, that would definitely be the case if this were a movie based on a novel. Being based on a 70 year old comic book character does complicate things a bit, though, because there's so much stuff to draw from.

But you can narrow that down to the past few decades since they're primarily what this version is based off of, and in those past few decades, Gotham itself has become as much of a character as Batman and his villains have been. Just mentioning the words Gotham City to a fan of the comic conjures up all sorts of art deco imagery, gargoyles, buildings cluttered together, urban decay, blimps, etc. I wasn't expecting much of that in TDK, but to go from the grungy, rainy city in Begins to the clean city in TDK was a bit of a shock, and arguably, a step in the wrong direction. Yes, I know there were reasons for it, but they made Gotham less interesting and threw away what little sense of individualism the place had. This made it more of a frightening place on the one hand, since it could be any city in America this is happening in, but on the other hand, it was a total snooze to look at, even if it was impressively filmed in some parts. None of this takes away from the fact that TDK is the best comic book film that I've ever seen, but if anything, I think it gets so much criticism and nitpicking because people watch it and think, "Wow.. that was amazing. But if they'd just changed a few small details, it would have been PERFECT."

And this really doesn't have much to do with my point, but I gotta say that comparing all the sterile, open stuff in the film to Kubrick does nothing for me. To me (and I know this will be an unpopular opinion), Kubrick's probably the most overrated director in recent history. I've never seen a film of his that I can honestly call "bad," but chances are, if I see one of his films that I've already seen coming on TV, I'm going to skip over it in favor of something with more heart. The whole "cold, isolated" thing just bores me to tears, and I've come close to falling asleep while watching some of his movies (his version of The Shining in particular. And I loved the book,) and I'm not someone with a short attention span. I just consider myself an average Joe when it comes to watching movies. I've had a couple of teachers who taught me how to analyze film and things like that, and sometimes I pick up on symbolism (and when I do, it's pretty awesome), but I don't go out of my way to. That's not what I watch movies for. To quote Joker in Mad Love, "If you have to explain a joke, there is no joke!" If you gotta explain to me why a movie's good, it's probably not really that good. Kinda rambling, but there's my two cents on that particular issue. :o

Great post sir, and while I disagree with your statements on Kubrick, I understand what your saying in regards to him and Nolan.

Kubrick, to me, is one of the greatest (if not thee greatest) because of his ability to craft fantastic films across multiple genres that still stand up today, if, of course, it's your particular cup of tea. But the comparisons to Nolan, is news to me as well, I never felt their style was anything close to similar.

I think Nolan's Gotham in TDK was just a natural progression from BB. For one, we barely saw any part of Gotham aside from the Narrows, so for all we know, the main parts of the city could have very well been just as clean, we just weren't privy to it because we didn't see it.

But even if it wasn't, Batman is making a difference, he's making headway, and because of that, the whole idea of The Joker becomes necessary. I know people love the gargoyles and the constant rain, but to me, making it a real, recognizable place makes it even more unnerving when we see a hospital blow up, a broad day bank robbery or Batman flipping 18 wheelers in the street. Making that transition in appearance to Gotham does more for Nolan's "grounded" realism than anything he could do to explain away Batman's technology or giving the Joker facepaint. If we see the distorted, gothic funhouse version of Gotham, he might as well have Clayface or Mr. Freeze walking around it...
 
New Batman film in 5 years. Directed by Alfonso Cuaron

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Alfred=Timothy Dalton
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Vicki Vale=Emmy Rossum
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Selina Kyle=Amber Heard
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Lucius Fox=Denzel Washington
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Not sure who I want as villains or Gordon
 
I saw Let Me In recently, and I was thinking that Elias Koteas would make an excellent Gordon.
 
I know WB would shrug off this idea, as Batman is a very profitable film franchise for them, but I'd like to see a live-action series on HBO. Get Paul Dini on board, maybe Frank Miller too, have Nolan AND Burton serve as executive producers. They had Scorsese direct the pilot for "Boardwalk Empire", so bring A-list directors like Fincher to direct an episode, and if they like it, let them direct when their schedules are open.

My reasoning for a TV series is I'd like to see a story arc that carries over across the whole season. They've done a great job with the new Batman films with weaving subplots, but you can only cram so much.

I'd also nominate Hamm as Batman, if the series started shooting right now, and he wasn't tied up doing "Mad Men". Don't hate, Jon Hamm-as-Superman haters! :cwink:
 
After leaving Superman to a director better equipped to take on the character, Snyder makes his one-off Batman movie based on The Dark Knight Returns (he has actually stated a desire to make a movie of DKR), casting Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson as the older incarnations of Batman and Joker.

Not a new franchise, just a one off to make tons of money, and please a certain portion of the fanbase very happy.
 
Truthfully, that does not have a single iota of a chance of ever happening.

An HBO show with 5 million viewers is considered great ratings for paid cable television. I've read there are only roughly 20 million subscribers to HBO. WB would never even consider that. The films bring in billions of dollars, they aren't going to exchange that for 10% of the audience.

If a Batman show were to ever happen, it would not be HBO. Better hope for NBC at most. But hey I should not not one to crush daydreams at all

edit: I won't even bother mentioning the post above hoping Nicholson will return as the Joker and Keaton as Batman. Maybe in another reality far away from this one bub:oldrazz:
 
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After leaving Superman to a director better equipped to take on the character, Snyder makes his one-off Batman movie based on The Dark Knight Returns (he has actually stated a desire to make a movie of DKR), casting Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson as the older incarnations of Batman and Joker.
That would never happen. Jack's way too old to revisit the role now, and I'm sure he knows it. Keaton's still young enough to pull off an older Batman, but Jack was the proper TDKR Joker age back when he did B89, IMO.
 
Do people just forget that Jack died in B'89? LoL

Are they going to do some sort of ROTJ plot where Robin turns into a 75 year old Joker.

But I've always said I'm a huge fan of Burton's bat-world but it was over in 1992. Time to move on people. Anyway my choices for a Dark Knight Returns Batman are Harrison Ford or Mickey Rourke.
 
Truthfully, that does not have a single iota of a chance of ever happening.

An HBO show with 5 million viewers is considered great ratings for paid cable television. I've read there are only roughly 20 million subscribers to HBO. WB would never even consider that. The films bring in billions of dollars, they aren't going to exchange that for 10% of the audience.

Like I said, "I know WB would shrug off this idea, as Batman is a very profitable film franchise for them, but I'd like to see a live-action series on HBO."

A fella can dream, eh comrades? Eh?
 
I think folks who propose it want to do a straight up adaptation of TDKR, with no attachment to the Burton movies other than having the two "legends" return to their respective roles. But that would confuse the hell out of the general audience.
 
If they do adapt Dark Knight Returns I hope it's not a direct adaptation. I like the idea of a girl Robin, Joker leaping back into action, and Bruce taking up the mantle again. But I don't think the mutants, whatever that thing was with the Nazi boobs, old armless Ollie, bloated ****e Selina, rand Government *****boy Superman would translate well to film. I like the story, I just think it would need a lot of tailoring in the script department before properly translating to film.
 
If they do adapt Dark Knight Returns I hope it's not a direct adaptation. I like the idea of a girl Robin, Joker leaping back into action, and Bruce taking up the mantle again. But I don't think the mutants, whatever that thing was with the Nazi boobs, old armless Ollie, bloated ****e Selina, rand Government *****boy Superman would translate well to film. I like the story, I just think it would need a lot of tailoring in the script department before properly translating to film.
That's part of the reason why I think it would work best in animated form, like an HBO miniseries. Still, what you listed are things you obviously don't like about the comic, which I have to subjectively disagree with.
 
I'm fine with everything in DKR. It's just one version of many of what old Bruce could be like (along with Batman Beyond, Kingdom Come, etc.) And I think Bruno (the swastika boob woman) is hilarious.
 
That's part of the reason why I think it would work best in animated form, like an HBO miniseries. Still, what you listed are things you obviously don't like about the comic, which I have to subjectively disagree with.
The only thing I didn't like that I listed was Government *****boy Superman. If it were an original character and not Superman I wouldn't have minded a bit. I liked it all besides that and thought it fit in with the tone of the book. I just don't think the things I listed would work well in live-action. But I think the suggestion of an animated series sounds great.
 
The only thing I didn't like that I listed was Government *****boy Superman.
I thought it was understandable, given Miller was basically using Clark as a big symbol of order in difference to Batman who was all about justice. But yes there would be issues in trying to replicate exactly what's on the page, luckily that is far from necessary.
 
I think folks who propose it want to do a straight up adaptation of TDKR, with no attachment to the Burton movies other than having the two "legends" return to their respective roles. But that would confuse the hell out of the general audience.

Fully agreed. But while I said I'd like to see someone like Rourke in the role I'm not sure how the general audience would react for having a brand new actor playing an aged Batman. It's more of a pipedream while in reality I imagine WB would prefer to go with Bale(maybe just age him in makeup?) not sure how it would work best. But if it's a success they would probably want to do more... Dark Knight Strikes Again with good modifications.

The only thing I didn't like that I listed was Government *****boy Superman. If it were an original character and not Superman I wouldn't have minded a bit. I liked it all besides that and thought it fit in with the tone of the book. I just don't think the things I listed would work well in live-action. But I think the suggestion of an animated series sounds great.

Agreed on Superman. I think I'd want him left out of the adaptation too. For a movie another big superhero in Dark Knight Returns would just take up too much focus even if its just a small role.
 
Snyder is the perfect director to take on Superman. If there's one thing that any Superman adaptation has lacked, it's style.
 
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Firstly after Nolan, I would maybe like a little more of a fantastical feel. I really enjoy the Nolan grit and "Heat" like feel of his movies so far. But being a slightly older bBtman fan and enjoying the more "fantastical" elements of the Burton movies, I would like to see a sort of amalgamation of the two, whether that is even possible I don't know. Anyways, with casting in mind:

If there is one bit of casting that I really do like, as per BLACKMAN, it's the idea of
Henry Cavill for BW = 27yrs old in +- 5 yrs time 32.
Timothy Dalton as Alfred = 64yrs in +- 5yrs time 69, seems to be prefect age.

I know lots of people are pushing for Cavill as supes, but I think he comes across more suave and man of mystery than boy scout.
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Alfred Pennyworth

Personally I wouldn't mind the idea of Gary Oldman carrying on, but I suppose that would be dependent on if they were wanting to separate themselves entirely from the Nolanverse.
If not how about an inspired signing like Tim Roth.
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I think he is a seriously talented actor.

Anyways those are my thoughts.
 
A few personal casting choices.

Bill Nighy, as Alfred.
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Elias Koteas, as Commissioner Gordon.
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Ron Glass, as Lucius Fox.
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Snyder is the perfect director to take on Superman. If there's one thing that any Superman adaptation has lacked, it's style.

Then again style alone won't cut it. Well, maybe it will bring money to the box but that's it.
 
Funny, but now that Dalton is bald, he could pass as the most faithful Alfred adaptation to the comics (visually).
 
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