The Dark Knight Likes And Dislikes

[Yurka]

I don't deny that he was great, but I never really bought him as Bruce Wayne the billionaire playboy.

I'll agree with that..

That, and Christian Bale is far superior in every way. t:

not with that. lol.

 

[Conebone69]

Wow, your list is almost the same as mine!t:



Well I for one would love Joker humor, but all the jokes I've seen so far in all the trailers are lame, campy jokes that I don't like.





Can everyone please stop trashing Cone cause he had an opinion? Jeebus.

He's allowed to be worried that TKD won't be as dark. You have to admit the trailers DO have way too many stupid jokes in them. Personally I don't think this is reflective of the actual film, just a marketing strategy. Lets all hope and pray that when it comes time to see the movie Cone's worries will be misplaced, okay?

Thanks, fanatic

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I think it's pretty stupid that people aren't even allowed to state a preference of Jack vs Heath or Keaton vs Bale anymore without a bunch of other people going "NO WAI! GO WATCH DA 60S SHOW IF U DON'T LIKE BALE/HEATH!"

It's so ridiculous. There are perfectly valid reasons for liking or disliking both interpretations. I know there are things I both love and hate about Bale and about Keaton. Haven't seen enough Joker to make a decision, but just costume wise for Joker I much prefer the old make-up job. It's a matter of opinion! And it's completely idiotic to throw "haha go watch the 60's show" to everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion on which they prefer.

On a personal note, as I said I have problems with and great admiration of both versions of Batman. But if I were going to pick who is the true Batman for me, it would be Kevin Conroy.

 

[The_Joker7895]

I'll agree with that..


not with that. lol.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Admittedly, I'm a little biased as I've always been a huge fan of the Bale, ever since I saw him in Empire of The Sun as a little kid. Man, I love that movie, and I need to watch it again. I think a Christian Bale marathon is in order. t:

 

[BatmanFanatic]

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Admittedly, I'm a little biased as I've always been a huge fan of the Bale, ever since I saw him in Empire of The Sun as a little kid. Man, I love that movie, and I need to watch it again. I think a Christian Bale marathon is in order. t:

As for myself I would never deny that Bale is a fan-****ing-tastic actor. But I can also see how some people would be less than thrilled with his low-key interpretation of young Bruce Wayne. For the record I thought playboy Bruce and angry Batman were pretty great.

So much of it isn't up to the actor or having anything to do with the skill of the actor, it's what is written in the script (and the BB script had a lot of faults) and what the director wanted them to do in terms of tone - you can blame that awful delivery of the "It's what I DOOOOOOOOO that defines me..." line on Nolan, because he really wanted Bale to emphasize the one word there.

 

[The Joker]

I think it's pretty stupid that people aren't even allowed to state a preference of Jack vs Heath or Keaton vs Bale anymore without a bunch of other people going "NO WAI! GO WATCH DA 60S SHOW IF U DON'T LIKE BALE/HEATH!"

Did you even read the context of the posts before making this over the top post? The guy said Kilmer and Keaton's versions of Batman didn't talk too much and were moody.

Those are vintage Batman traits. Nobody was questioning his choice. Just the reasons for his choice.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Did you even read the context of the posts before making this over the top post? The guy said Kilmer and Keaton's versions of Batman didn't talk too much and were moody.

Those are vintage Batman traits. Nobody was questioning his choice. Just the reasons for his choice.

Yes I did read it, and I think you can feel Kilmer and Keaton were a lot more moody and quiet than say BALE, and prefer Bale because he talked a bit more and was a bit less moody. Does that mean everyone who likes Bale as a touch less moddy and quiet is automatically thrown into the campy 60's show pile?

Whether I agree or not is beside the point, I'm annoyed at how often the "you must like the 60's show" or "go watch the 60's show" insult is thrown around these boards when someone doesn't like anything about the live action films.

 

[The Joker]

Yes I did read it, and I think you can feel Kilmer and Keaton were a lot more moody and quiet than say BALE, and prefer Bale because he talked a bit more and was a bit less moody. Does that mean everyone who likes Bale as a touch less moddy and quiet is automatically thrown into the campy 60's show pile?

No, I say anyone who finds Batman too quiet or too moody doesn't understand the nature of the Batman character. I've seen alot of people criticize Bale's Batman for those very reasons. They say he wasn't moody enough as Batman, or his voice was off etc.

Not saying I entirely agree with them, but you can never have Batman too grim or moody. It is the nature of the character.

Whether I agree or not is beside the point, I'm annoyed at how often the "you must like the 60's show" or "go watch the 60's show" insult is thrown around these boards when someone doesn't like anything about the live action films.

I must confess, I've been here for four and a half years, and I've rarely if ever seen that being said.

What I am sick to death of is people needing to criticize Burton's version of Batman if someone else says they prefer it more over Nolan's.

 

[Solidus]

Nice avvy Joker.

That right there makes me even more excited. It reminds me of The Man Who Laughs when he is attacking in the dark.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

No, I say anyone who finds Batman too quiet or too moody doesn't understand the nature of the Batman character. I've seen alot of people criticize Bale's Batman for those very reasons. They say he wasn't moody enough as Batman, or his voice was off etc.

But this isn't about whether people understand the nature of Batman, it's their personal preference of which film they liked. Some people may not really want a film where the hero doesn't say anything, so they are allowed to state their opinion that Bale was better for them because he actually talked a lot more as Bruce Wayne. I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree, just that people should be allowed to like whatever actor/version they want without everyone coming down on them and saying "go watch the 60's show."

And really there wasn't such a massive gap between Keaton and Bale that there is much room to say one or the other didn't fit the comics at all. There have been many shades of Batman in the comics throughout the decades, one version is not more valid than another IMO.

Not saying I entirely agree with them, but you can never have Batman too grim or moody. It is the nature of the character.

Again, it depends on what you're reading. In some versions he is more well adjusted than others. And then in All Star B&R he's a complete psychopath. Pick your flavor.

I must confess, I've been here for four and a half years, and I've rarely if ever seen that being said.

Well I've seen it a few times just in the past couple of days, that and "Well go watch B&R!!!!" and "You must prefer Batman with nipples!!!" is also a popular trash-talking strategy.

What I am sick to death of is people needing to criticize Burton's version of Batman if someone else says they prefer it more over Nolan's.

Yes that is damned annoying.

 

[The_Joker7895]

No, I say anyone who finds Batman too quiet or too moody doesn't understand the nature of the Batman character. I've seen alot of people criticize Bale's Batman for those very reasons. They say he wasn't moody enough as Batman, or his voice was off etc.

Not saying I entirely agree with them, but you can never have Batman too grim or moody. It is the nature of the character.



I must confess, I've been here for four and a half years, and I've rarely if ever seen that being said.

What I am sick to death of is people needing to criticize Burton's version of Batman if someone else says they prefer it more over Nolan's.

Just to clarify, my preference of Batman Begins and Bale over Burton's Batman and Keaton wasn't meant as criticism, I was simply giving my reasons for a preference. As for whether or not I get the character, I've been readin Batman comics and watching BTAS for 15 years. I'm pretty sure I get the character at this point. Don't misinterpret, I love Burton's Batman films. I just bought the B'89 and BR 2 disc special editions today because I didn't own them. after all these years.

However, I simply prefer BB and Christian Bae because I feel it is more true to the way I have always interpreted and understood Batman. It's dark, moody, gritty, and edgy, and I htink Bale is the better Bats. But my opinion is in no way fact.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Just to clarify, my preference of Batman Begins and Bale over Burton's Batman and Keaton wasn't meant as criticism, I was simply giving my reasons for a preference. As for whether or not I get the character, I've been readin Batman comics and watching BTAS for 15 years. I'm pretty sure I get the character at this point. Don't misinterpret, I love Burton's Batman films. I just bought the B'89 and BR 2 disc special editions today because I didn't own them. after all these years.

However, I simply prefer BB and Christian Bae because I feel it is more true to the way I have always interpreted and understood Batman. It's dark, moody, gritty, and edgy, and I htink Bale is the better Bats. But my opinion is in no way fact.

Yup, thats what I'm saying. Just because someone prefers a slightly more talkative Batman/Bruce Wayne film doesn't mean they don't "understand the character." There is a lot more to liking a certain film than how much Batman talked or how moody Wayne was. You have to take the rest of the film into account as well, and the rest of the portrayal of the character. You can't just say whichever one was the quietest and the moodiest is automatically the more authentic one and therefore the best.

 

[The Joker]

Nice avvy Joker.

That right there makes me even more excited. It reminds me of The Man Who Laughs when he is attacking in the dark.

Thanks mate

But this isn't about whether people understand the nature of Batman, it's their personal preference of which film they liked. Some people may not really want a film where the hero doesn't say anything

But that's what didn't make sense. Keaton said plenty as Batman. I could list tons of scenes where he held actual conversations with other characters as Batman. It wasn't overkill. It was balanced just right for Batman.

The only version of Batman that talks an awful lot that springs to mind, is the campy version from the 50's/60's.

so they are allowed to state their opinion that Bale was better for them because he actually talked a lot more as Bruce Wayne.

Mate, I never said they were not allowed to state their opinion. I was addressing his reasoning behind his opinion.

I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree, just that people should be allowed to like whatever actor/version they want without everyone coming down on them and saying "go watch the 60's show."

I think it depends on the context of what they're saying.

And really there wasn't such a massive gap between Keaton and Bale that there is much room to say one or the other didn't fit the comics at all. There have been many shades of Batman in the comics throughout the decades, one version is not more valid than another IMO.

I agree completely. I said the very same thing to someone on the previous page about Jack's and Heath's versions of the Joker.

Again, it depends on what you're reading. In some versions he is more well adjusted than others. And then in All Star B&R he's a complete psychopath. Pick your flavor.

But can you say about any of them that he is too quiet or too moody? No. All Star Batman is off his rocker. He kidnapped Dick Grayson and made him eat rats for goodness sake lol!

Well I've seen it a few times just in the past couple of days, that and "Well go watch B&R!!!!" and "You must prefer Batman with nipples!!!" is also a popular trash-talking strategy.

Past couple of days? So, it's just a recent thing then. Thought so. It'll pass. We're just coming closer to the movie now. We can almost taste it. It makes some people go a little crazy

 

[The_Joker7895]

But can you say about any of them that he is too quiet or too moody? No. All Star Batman is off his rocker. He kidnapped Dick Grayson and made him eat rats for goodness sake lol!

I love All-Star Batman, but he's completely nuts. He's basically a Batman version of Marv from Sin City.

Past couple of days? So, it's just a recent thing then. Thought so. It'll pass. We're just coming closer to the movie now. We can almost taste it. It makes some people go a little crazy

I'm reminded of Muppet Treasure Island and the song "We've got Cabin Fever!". That song basically describes how all of us are feeling lol.

 

[The Joker]

Just to clarify, my preference of Batman Begins and Bale over Burton's Batman and Keaton wasn't meant as criticism, I was simply giving my reasons for a preference. As for whether or not I get the character, I've been readin Batman comics and watching BTAS for 15 years. I'm pretty sure I get the character at this point. Don't misinterpret, I love Burton's Batman films. I just bought the B'89 and BR 2 disc special editions today because I didn't own them. after all these years.

However, I simply prefer BB and Christian Bae because I feel it is more true to the way I have always interpreted and understood Batman. It's dark, moody, gritty, and edgy, and I htink Bale is the better Bats. But my opinion is in no way fact.

Ok, let me rephrase: when you said Keaton and Kilmer were too quiet and moody, that was all you said. You didn't expand on that. You said it as though these traits were wrong or something.

It'd be like someone saying the Joker was too evil. Or Catwoman was too sexy etc.

 

[Eggyman]

We're just coming closer to the movie now. We can almost taste it. It makes some people go a little crazy

Speak for yourself. I've always been this way

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Thanks mate
But that's what didn't make sense. Keaton said plenty as Batman. I could list tons of scenes where he held actual conversations with other characters as Batman. It wasn't overkill. It was balanced just right for Batman.
The only version of Batman that talks an awful lot that springs to mind, is the campy version from the 50's/60's.

Well I thought Keaton had a good balance too, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to agree. He had moments of sitting around just being emo and maybe some people didn't like that.

Mate, I never said they were not allowed to state their opinion. I was addressing his reasoning behind his opinion.
I think it depends on the context of what they're saying.

Well I don't think a single person on these boards actually would enjoy watching the 60's show so thats just overkill and an insult to suggest they would like it, even if they do want Batman to talk a little bit more, or because they like Bale better.

I agree completely. I said the very same thing to someone on the previous page about Jack's and Heath's versions of the Joker.

Cool.

But can you say about any of them that he is too quiet or too moody? No. All Star Batman is off his rocker. He kidnapped Dick Grayson and made him eat rats for goodness sake lol!

I don't know, I can't claim to have read every comic book that had Batman in it for all of the decades he's been around Maybe someone can say that about some of them.

Past couple of days? So, it's just a recent thing then. Thought so. It'll pass. We're just coming closer to the movie now. We can almost taste it. It makes some people go a little crazy

Yah, exactly.

 

[guitarkhero311]

Likes:

-Everything, especially the humanistic take on the story. People forget Batman/Bruce's vulnerability. This universe Nolan is presenting us is a look at the human side of superhero's, the war of morals and emotions rather than strength and physical altercations. Thats what makes Batman so great, there are no super powers in his world, everyone is a human, mortal. Spider-Man and Superman can take a beating and still fight, because they are supernatural. As a human, Batman's emotions can be exploited, because at the end of the day, no matter how much fighting he does, he can be undone as a man. I think the best way to take out a superhero is to prove him wrong, to show that his ideals are foolish and unfounded, and it seems that is exactly what the Joker is doing to him. I can't think of a better way to connect Batman and this story Nolan is presenting to the audience, to ground it in human emotion, rather than supernatural ability.

Dislikes: So far, nothing.

 

[The Joker]

Speak for yourself. I've always been this way

Yeah, you've always been a cracked egg

Well I thought Keaton had a good balance too, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to agree. He had moments of sitting around just being emo and maybe some people didn't like that.

Emo? This is Batman we're talking about, right, not Spider-Man 3's Peter Parker

Again, I wouldn't understand a complaint like that, as Batman is always brooding in the cave or whatever by himself. Not that there was many scenes like that, anyway.

Well I don't think a single person on these boards actually would enjoy watching the 60's show so thats just overkill and an insult to suggest they would like it, even if they do want Batman to talk a little bit more, or because they like Bale better.

Of course, which is why it was said purely in jest with a winking smiley, and to try and compound the fact that Batman is a grim and moody guy.

I don't know, I can't claim to have read every comic book that had Batman in it for all of the decades he's been around Maybe someone can say that about some of them.

Really? You've never read a comic from each decade? There's load of TPB's out there, like the Batman Chronicles series, or Batman in the 50's, Batman in the 60's TPBs etc

Even the Greatest Batman stories ever told trades have stories from every era in them. You should check 'em out.

 

[The_Joker7895]

Ok, let me rephrase: when you said Keaton and Kilmer were too quiet and moody, that was all you said. You didn't expand on that. You said it as though these traits were wrong or something.

It'd be like someone saying the Joker was too evil. Or Catwoman was too sexy etc.

Catwoman can never be too sexy.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Emo? This is Batman we're talking about, right, not Spider-Man 3's Peter Parker Again, I wouldn't understand a complaint like that, as Batman is always brooding in the cave or whatever by himself. Not that there was many scenes like that, anyway.

Neither would I, but I allow people their preference as to how much brooding he should actually partake in.

Of course, which is why it was said purely in jest with a winking smiley, and to try and compound the fact that Batman is a grim and moody guy.

Yah but sometimes people are real jerks about that sort of thing whenever somebody has a different opinion. I'm having that very same problem in another thread over old school Alfred vs new Alfred. The constant flaming is really annoying. And so are all the "owned!" and "powned!" comments and crap like that just because there is a debate going on and people think the meaner they can be about it the more it looks like they're "winning."

Really? You've never read a comic from each decade? There's load of TPB's out there, like the Batman Chronicles series, or Batman in the 50's, Batman in the 60's TPBs etc. Even the Greatest Batman stories ever told trades have stories from every era in them. You should check 'em out.

I've read comics from each decade, I'm saying I can't claim to have read every single Batman story out there.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Catwoman can never be too sexy.

Are you sure? They tried to make Catwoman "even more sexy" from BR to the Halle Berry movie, and look what happened.

Just because you make her outfit smaller, doesn't mean you improve the character.

 

[The Joker]

Neither would I, but I allow people their preference as to how much brooding he should actually partake in.

Well, once again it would depend on the context it's used in. For example, if Rachel dies in TDK, I would expect to see some serious Batman brooding.

And it's not about allowing anyone anything. You can't stop someone from liking one thing over another. It was never about that. It was about discussing the reasoning behind it.

Yah but sometimes people are real jerks about that sort of thing whenever somebody has a different opinion. I'm having that very same problem in another thread over old school Alfred vs new Alfred. The constant flaming is really annoying. And so are all the "owned!" and "powned!" comments and crap like that just because there is a debate going on and people think the meaner they can be about it the more it looks like they're "winning."

Well, I certainly hope I didn't come across as a jerk. It's why I use smileys whenever I can to show it's being said in a friendly manner.

I've read comics from each decade, I'm saying I can't claim to have read every single Batman story out there.

You don't need to have read the whole lot to know the style they used.

 

[The_Joker7895]

Are you sure? They tried to make Catwoman "even more sexy" from BR to the Halle Berry movie, and look what happened.

Just because you make her outfit smaller, doesn't mean you improve the character.

I try not to even remember that excuse for a movie. I'm thinking we need someone like Cate Blanchett or Eva Green to play her.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Well, once again it would depend on the context it's used in. For example, if Rachel dies in TDK, I would expect to see some serious Batman brooding.
And it's not about allowing anyone anything. You can't stop someone from liking one thing over another. It was never about that. It was about discussing the reasoning behind it.
Well, I certainly hope I didn't come across as a jerk. It's why I use smileys whenever I can to show it's being said in a friendly manner.

Right, gotcha.

You don't need to have read the whole lot to know they style they used.

I know but I still haven't read every version. I mean how many independent titles does Batman have now? And how many guest appearances? That's a lot of damn reading