The Dark Knight Likes And Dislikes

[BatmanFanatic]

I try not to even remember that excuse for a movie. I'm thinking we need someone like Cate Blanchett or Eva Green to play her.

Michelle can't be topped. So I refuse to partake in fantasy casting.

 

[The_Joker7895]

Michelle can't be topped. So I refuse to partake in fantasy casting.

Fair enough.

 

[deathfromabove]

Likes:

-Everything, especially the humanistic take on the story. People forget Batman/Bruce's vulnerability. This universe Nolan is presenting us is a look at the human side of superhero's, the war of morals and emotions rather than strength and physical altercations. Thats what makes Batman so great, there are no super powers in his world, everyone is a human, mortal. Spider-Man and Superman can take a beating and still fight, because they are supernatural. As a human, Batman's emotions can be exploited, because at the end of the day, no matter how much fighting he does, he can be undone as a man. I think the best way to take out a superhero is to prove him wrong, to show that his ideals are foolish and unfounded, and it seems that is exactly what the Joker is doing to him. I can't think of a better way to connect Batman and this story Nolan is presenting to the audience, to ground it in human emotion, rather than supernatural ability.

Dislikes: So far, nothing.

 

[The_Joker7895]

EDIT: Woah Time-traveling-double-posts

 

[The Chris]

Wow. I actually watched the Batman Begins trailers and marveled at just how serious and darker Dark Knight looked to me. I mean, you're gonna have jokes in trailers, Begins had a lot. "Does it come in black, just some nut, guy dressed up as a bat clearly has issues" Love the look of Begins (just watched it too days in a row), but I tell you, the Dark Knight's look is amazing, breathtaking images. beautiful atmosphere. To the serious tone again I would say, no trailer of Begins had the villain making a guarantee to kill everyday, so I would automatically give the edge to Knight on that.

 

[laudanum09]

Wow. I actually watched the Batman Begins trailers and marveled at just how serious and darker Dark Knight looked to me. I mean, you're gonna have jokes in trailers, Begins had a lot. "Does it come in black, just some nut, guy dressed up as a bat clearly has issues" Love the look of Begins (just watched it too days in a row), but I tell you, the Dark Knight's look is amazing, breathtaking images. beautiful atmosphere. To the serious tone again I would say, no trailer of Begins had the villain making a guarantee to kill everyday, so I would automatically give the edge to Knight on that.

yeah DArk Knight has added, or at least enhanced on ( I cant remember if they were there in BB) the blue tint. We had orange/tungsten/gold color predominant in the first one, now I see a lot of Blue/Greenish wash (the mob speech, batman on the roof, interrogation, even the daytime hues are a bit more 'bluer'). So that definitely adds to the 'dark' feel. They could have made the orange and other tints way more superficial like Sin City backdrops or something and I'm glad its subtly displayed like in BB the gold on his suit (buckle etc.) and the color of the alleyway he stumbles into after being set on fire.


And the Ra's Al Ghul showdown vs. the Joker showdown....the latter is so much darker and intense. Ra's Al Ghul was intimidating but he had the 'im going to destroy everything to fit my evil scheme' attitude. Much more classic villain, a la James Bond. Joker likes knives and cut grins.

I also think that maybe although DArk Knight will be better than Begins (in the way t2 was to t1) it will retrospectively make Begins much better as well, we'll have 4 hours plus of Nolan-verse Batman and it will just make the entire space fuller I think. I'm definitely going to try and watch Batman Begins 2.5 hours before I watch the Dark Knight. Thats going to rule.

 

[undyingsoul]

I see what you're saying, but I think 'dark' maybe the wrong word. BB just comes across as more low key, whereas TDK has a much grander, theatrical element to it, for obvious reasons. But I see where you're coming from.

QFT, I think the blue filter and maybe some of the lighting they chose to use might confuse some to think it's a less serious or less dark movie.

 

[Conebone69]

Wow. I actually watched the Batman Begins trailers and marveled at just how serious and darker Dark Knight looked to me. I mean, you're gonna have jokes in trailers, Begins had a lot. "Does it come in black, just some nut, guy dressed up as a bat clearly has issues" Love the look of Begins (just watched it too days in a row), but I tell you, the Dark Knight's look is amazing, breathtaking images. beautiful atmosphere. To the serious tone again I would say, no trailer of Begins had the villain making a guarantee to kill everyday, so I would automatically give the edge to Knight on that.

How does it look darker and more serious?! Give me good examples

 

[undyingsoul]

How does it look darker and more serious?! Give me good examples

A whole lot more death of characters, and I won't name names. The Joker, which by default is a much darker if not the darkest villain. IMO this one gives off a bit more of a mature tone.

 

[BatSpider]

How does it look darker and more serious?! Give me good examples

wait, are u kidding me Conebone? you?

The question is how is it NOT

 

[Octoberist]

maybe you're not wording it right Conebone, but you're making it sound like the trailers are making the Dark Knight look like Wall-E, when you're saying that it doesn't look 'as serious as the first movie'.

 

[undyingsoul]

Nolan has never made a movie that, IMO has ever been lighthearted or campy or anything like that.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Personally I preferred the browns and golds in BB, but we'll see how it goes with TKD. I liked the browns and golds because they go with the colors of the bats, the caverns, the gold belt, etc.

I think a blue wash can sometimes make things look too cold, futuristic and sterile. Like the inside of a hospital with cold fluorescent lights. But I'm staying optimistic.

 

[Conebone69]

wait, are u kidding me Conebone? you?

The question is how is it NOT

He said after watching the BB trailers he said he noticed how much darker and serious TDK was and I asked him how

maybe you're not wording it right Conebone, but you're making it sound like the trailers are making the Dark Knight look like Wall-E, when you're saying that it doesn't look 'as serious as the first movie'.

What?

 

[BatSpider]

maybe you're not wording it right Conebone, but you're making it sound like the trailers are making the Dark Knight look like Wall-E, when you're saying that it doesn't look 'as serious as the first movie'.

 

[Octoberist]

He said after watching the BB trailers he said he noticed how much darker and serious TDK was and I asked him how

What?

Don't want to give you a hard time but it's NOT that hard to understand, dude.

 

[turtlefocker]

I understand what you are saying CB and agree the BB trailers had a more intense feel while the TDK trailers are more blockbuster-y.

Based on interviews and what-not though I'd say TDK is a far darker film than BB. I think they are just marketing it differently is all.

 

[The Chris]

How does it look darker and more serious?! Give me good examples

"it's simple, kill the Batman", Just the way Joker looks circling around rachel. Joker walking down the street with knife in one hand, gun in the other, bunch of buildings blowing up (And unlike other blockbusters, I guarantee they're people in there) "This city deserves a better class of criminal, and I'm gonna give it to ya" Harvey with the gasoline on his all over him screaming, Joker tossing Rachel (Looks like off the roof, nobody confirm that please.) Batman tossing Joker's face into the glass.

Also you've got from other trailers, the why so serious line, the way he says that. The fact that it's obvious that a boatload of people, whether they're main characters are not, die. "Let's put a smile on that face!" This could be the darkest darn summer movie ever made.

Like just love the adding of another color. I mean the night look of Begins is still there, I think the joker's presents makes it more freaky. The blue look of certain scenes like the hong kong stuff certainly gives locations a distinct look of their own, like the iceland scenes in begins. This should be done more in movies.

 

[Octoberist]

i too understand what Conebone is saying, but i don't think it should be something to worry about. if he's worried about the tone, then so be it.

 

[capt. slaughter]

Fornicate!!!

 

[Conebone69]

I understand what you are saying CB and agree the BB trailers had a more intense feel while the TDK trailers are more blockbuster-y.

Based on interviews and what-not though I'd say TDK is a far darker film than BB. I think they are just marketing it differently is all.

Hope so... I'll just have to wait and see it

 

[Conebone69]

i too understand what Conebone is saying, but i don't think it should be something to worry about. if he's worried about the tone, then so be it.

Im not so worried about it that im already saying TDK is gonna be bad but its a little dissapointing. But I hope TDK has great dialouge to make up for the lack of darkness/serious tone

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Okay guys, watch the BB trailer.

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Now, if Cone was going of trailer comparisons alone, the BB trailer is WAY darker. I don't think that's how it will be in the actual film, I think TDK will be a lot darker than BB on film, but by trailers alone BB LOOKS darker.

I mean that trailer started off with creepy screaming bats, followed by a poor kid falling into a dark well, and then a nightmare/what do you fear line, then Bruce all disgusting and grubby in some god forsaken prison cave, then Ras and him on a wild glacier and Bruce getting the $#!t beat out of him by ninjas, and this was followed up by flaming horses, maggot-crawling scarecrow face, a nearly dead Rachel being picked up by Batman, Batman screaming her name, talk about the city getting destroyed and a whole lot more shots of bats.

There was only one joke in the whole thing, and it was actually funny. Compare all this to the TDK trailer which has what, 4 jokes in it at least? None of them are funny, and no shots of bats or anything really gross like maggot faces.

Side by side trailer comparisons give the illusion that BB would be the darker film. Of course judging by what we know of the plot and cast/crew interviews, I don't think this is reflective of the actual film.

 

[Solidus]

I see the marketing as much darker in TDK. I mean the viral stuff, the telephone call we made back in July, some one having a gun pointed to their head. I mean the poster's are all much darker then BB's posters ever were.

Mainly the stuff on posters in blood.

I still don't see how being more "block-buster" makes it less dark. But to eaches own. Everyone I show the trailers thinks TDK does look extremely dark. I mean the Joker alone.

And we even have the actual people making the movies them selves talking how much darker this movie is, like Nolan said, things get worse before they get better.

 

[Octoberist]

Im not so worried about it that im already saying TDK is gonna be bad but its a little dissapointing. But I hope TDK has great dialouge to make up for the lack of darkness/serious tone

Here's my advice, ConeBone: Don't be dissapointed yet. I don't see why you would when perhaps it's the marketing that gives off a tone that you may not agree with.

If you think about the trailers thus far, they only show 3 or 4 of the same scenes. And they almost involve the truck/car chase.

Think about it: We still don't know the mob subplot, the hong kong subplot, Joker's motivation (if he has one), Harvey's decent into Two Face, etc.

There's A LOT we don't know about.

So be dissapointed at the marketing department because I think it's too early to declare that the movie won't be as 'dark' as the first one.