Simple.
[Don't get me wrong Batman(89) is an amazing movie when it comes to atmosphere and design]
I think the whole portrayal of Batman/Bruce Wayne is somehow... off. It's not that they changed the source material, that happens all the time and is for a movie who has only a restricted time frame somehow necessary. But you should - at least - get the essence of the material right. But Batman being a strange guy, totally emotionless and deranged doesn't feel like "the Batman" I read when I was young.
The guy had his parents killed randomly when he was 6. Youll understand he might be a strange, somehow emotionless and deranged guy.
Theres
nothing wrong about that approach. Its Frank Millers approach, where Bruce Wayne its all of that.
That said, he wasnt totally emotionless. And even Batman begins also influenced by Millers approach - got it right when it showed Bruce
pretending to be the cool guy. But he wasnt.
but Burton's Batman/Bruce Wayne... he is a pathetic looser.
Ridiculous. And a juvenil statement.
Being in emotional pain is far from being a loser.
And Burtons Batman
was cool. He said little and his movements were just a few, but everytime he moved, some guy fell to the floor unconscious.
And what do you expect from a script writen by a guy who says things like "Batman is basically an insane guy who ****s up his love life".
What makes me wonder, what do you expect from a poster who says things like "Burtons Batman is a pathetic loser
The changes with the Penguin... man! some call it "better than the source material" but... what's the point?
The point is to be better than the source material.
He isn't THE Penguin anymore.
Yes, he is. He even looks and feels more of a penguin than just being a chubby guy with a big nose. And his motivations are not only as strong as the comic books' version but him being deformed makes him a real tragic figure with a more powerful resentment towards society.
FAR better than the original. And still a penguin.
He is a sewer monster out to kill the firstborn? WTF?
Yes, he is.
And so far that sounds far better then the comics version.
They could have made the Penguin a Jedi Knight and some people would scream "Yeah, better than the source".
They could have made the Penguin a real memorable tragic monster-like figure better than the original and some people would scream "Yeah, but its nothing like the comics".
But if you don't like the original character... why do you use him?
Because many elements from the original version are good. But the whole concept was still lame.
Like when Shakespeare took Hamlet and made it a better character with a better story. He improved the original material just like Burton did with the Penguin.
And Catwoman? You know what the basic character gimmick was? She was a thief. Burton's Cat-Zombie is not a thief at all.
Again struggling with perfection for the sake of a tiny detail that wasnt important for the story. What can I say, It's not that they changed the source material, that happens all the time and is for a movie
(I don't have much to say about Nicholson's Joker. I think he did a decent job, but HE could have done better. He didn't play himself, he played Cesar-Romero-gone-homicidal.
So he did play a great Joker but darker? Booyah.
And don't start with the illogical things.
You already monopolized that?
Nobody knows about the Wayne murders. Yeah right.
^ The illogical things monopoly.
In comics and movies we know who he is. Yet some might reasonably think that a faceless murder is better for the story (revenge is impossible and pointless, crime has no face). And as much as I like B89 and BB's approaches, I find that quite a great idea.
A parade of gangsters and no police... yes, of course.
Yes, of course.
In the movie its fully explained. Major Borg said to Gotham that the authorities couldnt warrantee citizens safety.
Penguin's men manipulating the Batmobile. It has all been discussed before.
Yeah, manipulating a car is virtually an absurd concept. In the illogical things monopoly system maybe.
And Batman Forever is really a kind of redemption.
Sure. Nipples, butts, neon lights, the anti-Two-Face, many Riddlers riddles that points to... nowhere (Mr. E!???? Thats it???) Its a pleasure. In the illogical things monopoly system that is.
Batman is so heroic in this movie. He says things like "Harvey, you need help!" and shows compassion (Keaton Batman would've probably thrown a grenade or something like that).
Oh sure.
Harvey, you need help. I can offer you a bunch of silver coins so you can lose balance and fall to your death. I hope you can appreciate my infinite compassion buddy.
Illogical monopoly strikes again.
His Bruce Wayne acts like in the comics.
Highly perturbed by his parents death. Something that Schumacher was luckily able to keep from Burtons movies.
This movie is really underrated.
Those Academy guys cant appreciate nipples! They need to go out more, in words of Schumacher himself.
And the scene where he saves the doctor AND Robin has actually more real symbolism than anything Burton did.
It symbolized how people you love fall much slower than any other kind of person (like Harvey Dent, who Batman refused to save as he did with Robin and Chase) so you can save them on time.
The Riddler and Two-Face are not exactly the way I would imagine them. The Riddler is too crazy, he is almost the Joker and Two-Face flips his coin until it is right for him? WTF?
Ill tell you wtf.
Schumacher got many elements terribly wrong. And the changes were for the worst. Opposite to Burtons movies. Two-Face was nothing of Two-Face and Riddler was played as Frank-Gorshin-gone-homicidal.