The Amazing Spider-Man Lizard's New Look: Verdict?--POLL

[Anno_Domini]

That's why I'd rather, if anything, we see the villains first that builds up to the Sinister Six, not seeing the villains randomly put together.

 

[Nathan]

That idea itself doesn't give me hope. At least Raimi did the smarter thing with using Venom in the same movie. Most villains could have this masterful plan thought of while Venom just wants vengeance because of the symbiote. One battle between the three would just be enough, imo.

Of course, the story would be more personal with Venom. He isn't your Magneto or Dr. Doom. He wants just one thing, to make your life hell and end you. I think a Movie with Venom as the main villain could work really well. He wouldn't just have one fight with Spidey and it's done. Heck, he'd beat him and just let him go. At first. This is the guy who knows every little secret and every tiny detail of Spidey's life. He would terrorize Spider-Man, till he's on the brink of a nervous breakdown. He'd let him know that he could gut Aunt May or Mary Jane/Gwen, whenever he's in the mood. And since his Spider-sense wouldn't work on the Symbiote, he'd be constantly looking over his shoulders.

You could make a fantastic thriller type movie. Maybe even throw in a minor villain or two, that easily get beaten or killed by Venom, for him to show off to Spider-Man how superior he is. He could rile the city up against Spider-Man once more, by doing crimes in the name of Spider-Man.

There's just so much potential with Venom.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I don't see any potential in a movie solely on Venom, still don't even with reading what you had to say, Nathan. After all, he'd feel like a watered-down Bane after TDKR is released.

 

[Nathan]

After all, he'd feel like a watered-down Bane after TDKR is released.

Exsqueeze me?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Bane knowing Batman is Bruce, knowing about the ones he cares for, such as Alfred, hurting Batman and not killing him.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

Of course, the story would be more personal with Venom. He isn't your Magneto or Dr. Doom. He wants just one thing, to make your life hell and end you. I think a Movie with Venom as the main villain could work really well. He wouldn't just have one fight with Spidey and it's done. Heck, he'd beat him and just let him go. At first. This is the guy who knows every little secret and every tiny detail of Spidey's life. He would terrorize Spider-Man, till he's on the brink of a nervous breakdown. He'd let him know that he could gut Aunt May or Mary Jane/Gwen, whenever he's in the mood. And since his Spider-sense wouldn't work on the Symbiote, he'd be constantly looking over his shoulders.

You could make a fantastic thriller type movie. Maybe even throw in a minor villain or two, that easily get beaten or killed by Venom, for him to show off to Spider-Man how superior he is. He could rile the city up against Spider-Man once more, by doing crimes in the name of Spider-Man.

There's just so much potential with Venom.

I second this.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I don't see any potential in a movie solely on Venom, still don't even with reading what you had to say, Nathan. After all, he'd feel like a watered-down Bane after TDKR is released.

Venom > Ben

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yah, because Venom broke Spidey's back?

Yah, once again we get down to the part where Venom has never done a damn credible thing as a villain.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

lol You mean Bane?

 

[SpideyFan866]

Bane knowing Batman is Bruce, knowing about the ones he cares for, such as Alfred, hurting Batman and not killing him.

Considering Venom was all that and did all that before Bane was even a thought in his creators mind, again

Venom > Bane

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Of course, the story would be more personal with Venom. He isn't your Magneto or Dr. Doom. He wants just one thing, to make your life hell and end you. I think a Movie with Venom as the main villain could work really well. He wouldn't just have one fight with Spidey and it's done. Heck, he'd beat him and just let him go. At first. This is the guy who knows every little secret and every tiny detail of Spidey's life. He would terrorize Spider-Man, till he's on the brink of a nervous breakdown. He'd let him know that he could gut Aunt May or Mary Jane/Gwen, whenever he's in the mood. And since his Spider-sense wouldn't work on the Symbiote, he'd be constantly looking over his shoulders.

You could make a fantastic thriller type movie. Maybe even throw in a minor villain or two, that easily get beaten or killed by Venom, for him to show off to Spider-Man how superior he is. He could rile the city up against Spider-Man once more, by doing crimes in the name of Spider-Man.

There's just so much potential with Venom.

Just sayin', Magneto is motivated by very personal reasons.

Raimi's third would have been good had he gotten rid of Sandman completely and spent all the annoying emo-Parker plot time developing both Venom and the second Green Goblin; both of whom seek personal revenge on Spidey. I wouldn't mind Brock and Harry sharing a film if it were done correctly as there are very parallel villain themes.

 

[SpideyFan866]

lol You mean Bane?

You must not get that joke. Ask anyone around here. They'll explain it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Considering Venom was all that and did all that before Bane was even a thought in his creators mind, again

Venom > Bane

All that? All what? A villain that has never done anything to really harm Peter or his life? Bane is a masterful and intelligent villain that HAS done something to Batman as Green Goblin and Doc Ock has done to Spider-Man.

Bane > Venom. We're not talking about who came first, chicken or egg, but what villain has been much more of an impact and comparing the two, the winner is Bane.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Considering Venom was all that and did all that before Bane was even a thought in his creators mind, again

Venom > Bane

Good God, no, it's like comparing apples and oranges. And, guess what? It's OKAY to be looking forward to both The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man.

Speaking of the latter, let's get back to discussing the topic of this thread.

 

[Nathan]

Just sayin', Magneto is motivated by very personal reasons.

Yes, he is. But overall he's got much grander plans. Venom just wants to take revenge on Spider-Man. And even though I like Venom, if he's in another Movie, I think he should die at the end. After he fails to kill Spidey, I don't know what more you could do with him.

Raimi's third would have been good had he gotten rid of Sandman completely and spent all the annoying emo-Parker plot time developing both Venom and the second Green Goblin; both of whom seek personal revenge on Spidey. I wouldn't mind Brock and Harry sharing a film if it were done correctly as there are very parallel villain themes.

That silly Parker nonsense, would have been time definitely better spend focusing on Harry and Brock. I wouldn't mind if they'd try it again with Webb at the helm.

 

[Village_Idiot]

Their gonna have to build their fan base back up again before they try Venom again , Spider-man 3 left a pretty bad taste in alot of peoples mouth

 

[The Original Bamfer]

That silly Parker nonsense, would have been time definitely better spend focusing on Harry and Brock. I wouldn't mind if they'd try it again with Webb at the helm.

Same here!

 

[SpideyFan866]

All that? All what? A villain that has never done anything to really harm Peter or his life? Bane is a masterful and intelligent villain that HAS done something to Batman as Green Goblin and Doc Ock has done to Spider-Man.

Bane > Venom. We're not talking about who came first, chicken or egg, but what villain has been much more of an impact and comparing the two, the winner is Bane.

I'm gonna copy and paste for you and then I'm done:

"Venom knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker, knowing about the ones he cares for, such as Mary Jane and Aunt May, hurting Spider-Man and not killing him. "

Being the one villain to get into Spidey's head and defeat him both psychologically and physically.

Something that hadn't been done before.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

It's been done before. It's a superhero cliche for Peter's sake!

Thread topic please.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

You must not get that joke. Ask anyone around here. They'll explain it.

Oops, sorry!

 

[Victarion]

I would say Venom and Bane are sort of in the same boat. Both seem like anti-versions of their respective heroes. Both have a claim to fame in the comics--Venom being seen as an evil version of Spider-Man who holds his knowledge of Peter's superhero identity over his head in their non-costumed encounters, Bane having broken Batman's back--that seems to be their only interesting facet. Its the thing lots of people seem to always go back to in discussing the characters.

Both would need a rewrite to become more fleshed out and interesting. Bane is getting his in TDKR by all accounts and appearances. Some of the information would lead me to believe that one of Bane's facets in TDKR will be that of an anti-Batman. If you're read Peter David's wonderful novelization of Spider-Man 3, you'll see a similar approach taken with Eddie that sadly did not make it all the way to the finished product.

I would imagine that when Venom returns he will get a rewrite as well, hopefully to add some more meat to the Peter/Eddie story and in turn the Spider-Man vs Venom story. Hopefully I will be able to enjoy it as much as I imagine I will enjoy the new interpretation of Bane.

Sorry for dragging this out, but I had to get that off my chest.

Lizard's look---I like to hinged jaw the costume implies we'll be getting. Other than that he looks like a good interpretation of his original comic incarnation whereas the Green Goblin did not. The lab coat is really a not an issue with me. I think it was pointed out that he did have a tattered one on at some point in the trailer.

Ifrans has said that he tried to play Connors as a human being, so I doubt he'll be the straight up villain the trailer leads us to believe he'll be.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Ok, to get back to topic, the plain and simple truth about the Lizard's looks is that it's a fantastic adaptation of the Ditko look.

Most people are looking at the Macfarlane and onward look as the main/only look and that the look in this movie is a bad adaptation of that, which its not because, its not an adaptation of that.

 

[Village_Idiot]

The Lizard kinda reminds me of the classic Universal Monsters of the 1930's and 1940's

 

[SpideyFan866]

The Lizard kinda reminds me of the classic Universal Monsters of the 1930's and 1940's

Agreed.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Ok, to get back to topic, the plain and simple truth about the Lizard's looks is that it's a fantastic adaptation of the Ditko look.

Most people are looking at the Macfarlane and onward look as the main/only look and that the look in this movie is a bad adaptation of that, which its not because, its not an adaptation of that.

While that certainly could be the case for some people, it is also just as possible that some people (myself included) don't like this design based on the design its self, and that opinion has nothing to do with comparing it to other interpretations.

I'm cool with the design of the lizard's body - though its fairly generic - but I don't like the face. At all. While I would have liked some sort of snout, my opinion of THIS design is not influenced by that fact. All they really did was give Ron Perlman a Voldemort nose and slap green scales on. IMO, it's a fairly boring and uninspired design, though I am willing to concede the fact that seeing the lizard's face in motion with expressions might change my opinion; but as of now, color me not impressed at all.