Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 2

[X-Maniac]

X-Force is so far away that I don't think they will commit to any hint at it in Logan, they don't plan ahead enough to do that.

Logan could be entirely self-contained. If there's a post-credits scene, what could it hint at? Deadpool 2 is still in the writing stages, isn't it? No casting yet for Cable or anything like that?

 

[GuestStar2004]

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I genuinely don't even care for world-building or references this time. We've seen that before, now we have a chance to see Wolverine at his most true, and get a moving beautiful movie. The first really really good Wolverine movie if we are lucky. Everyone else is making pre-sequels, this should be something quite self-contained, and I'm really thankful for that.

 

[def28]

Thing is this movie will impact alot of characters and the X-Men world one way or the other, unless there is yet another Alt reality twist.

Even just with X-23 I'm worried they are not thinking ahead and there is the possibility she is only being thought for this film. As with many other X-Men characters in the franchise, their futures are always uncertain. Which I've never thought as a smart move and found extremely frustrating. It's something that has stopped this franchise from reaching its potential.

It's not so much about setting up the plot of the next one as it is setting up strong characters to have a good role down the road. Which I don't think is asking for too much given that this franchise will not stop and only grow.

 

[Roose Bolton]

We know barely anything about where X-23 ends up in this film, so it's not really prudent to start freaking out about whether or not she'll be a viable character in future films.

 

[def28]

Should't even be a question if she should show up again though. She's not a one shot character, and will show up again regardless at some point. The issue is this franchise just does not lend itself to having confidence in these scenarios where characters can flow well from film to film. Even thought they won't stop.

It's something I hope they fix from this point as it will make things stronger.

 

[Snikt]

Robert Meyer Burnett from Collider Heroes said last week that a person he knows who has seen the film, so far, is Children of Men meets X-Men.

Which would make sense considering we've heard Laura might be the first mutant born in a long time (maybe 30-40 years).

 

[Roose Bolton]

Should't even be a question if she should show up again though. She's not a one shot character, and will show up again regardless at some point. The issue is this franchise just does not lend itself to having confidence in these scenarios where characters can flow well from film to film. Even thought they won't stop.

It's something I hope they fix from this point as it will make things stronger.

There's no indication that she won't show up again. In fact it's been quite the opposite, with all this talk of the character replacing Hugh Jackman's Wolverine going forward.

 

[kguillou]

I'll admit, even though I'm through the roof excited for this movie, my one trepidation is what exactly this means for the X-Men. I mean, damn, if this is supposed to bookend the Bryan Singer era of X-Men by saying they all tragically die then that is a damn grim way to end that series even if Logan ends up surviving at the end. Especially after DoFP gave us all the happy ending we wanted for these characters. It would've been one thing if this movie was set in like 2079 or something where Logan naturally outlives them all, but if this is to be the end of this iteration of X-Men's story then that is pretty damn dark and ballsy. I feel like there has to be a twist to this all.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I just can't feel that excited about this film.

I'm the same, still seeing the movie, but not that ecstatic about it. The trailer was ok.

I'm glad people and critics are excited though and that the film seems to have shot up the list of must-see films this year.

The obviously answer is because she will get older and it's harder to hide kids getting older then it is trying to pass a 30 year old as a 20 year old which is probably the reason most the time that they cast older to play younger.

They usually cast older because the Screen Actors Guild have much stricter guidelines for child actors (for obvious reasons) like they can only work for 8 hours in a day, no earlier than 5 am shooting days, etc.

 

[Smilodon]

Robert Meyer Burnett from Collider Heroes said last week that a person he knows who has seen the film, so far, is Children of Men meets X-Men.

Which would make sense considering we've heard Laura might be the first mutant born in a long time (maybe 30-40 years).

A better comparison. I don't like the No Country for Old Men comparisons because besides aesthetic similarities, No Country is practically nihilistic in its themes. With the Shane, Wrestler, Little Miss Sunshine, Paper Moon inspirations, Logan movie seems a lot more heartfelt and humane. Children of Men, as insanely bleak as it begins, does end on a hopeful note.

 

[def28]

There's no indication that she won't show up again. In fact it's been quite the opposite, with all this talk of the character replacing Hugh Jackman's Wolverine going forward.

Since there is not even a cowl or team film where she can replace the role he had, I don't see how that can even make much sense. The character of Logan will be back shortly either way.

My overall point in reply to the world building comment was that knowing where your characters are instead of just recasting or creating more continuity/logical error is not a bad thing. Especially in a series that just wants to get bigger and never end. Doesn't mean they need to spend time setting up the whole sequel.

Otherwise you get multiple versions of the same character. Which literally is already happening in this film that's not even a year away from Apocalypse. This series is just filled with doubles.

 

[Smilodon]

Mangold did refute that Logan's Caliban was a continuity error and just said to watch the film before nagging him on Twitter, for what it's worth.

 

[def28]

Mangold did refute that Logan's Caliban was a continuity error and just said to watch the film before nagging him on Twitter, for what it's worth.

I'm not really blaming Mangold, more so Kinberg who is supposed to be the one making sure those things don't happen and get lined up properly.

 

[JP]

To my knowledge Mangold and Singer spoke about Caliban to make sure there weren't any errors.

All that really needed to happen was Singer say "Maybe I won't use him, then" cause let's not pretend this new Caliban will be ANYTHING like the Apocalypse one. They already look different.

It was probably like

Singer: How old is your Caliban?
Mangold: Um... 40-ish.
Singer: Cool, I'll make mine 30.
Mangold: Well, that still doesn't line--
Singer: Shhh. He's younger.

 

[def28]

Haha Gotcha

 

[Roose Bolton]

Since there is not even a cowl or team film where she can replace the role he had, I don't see how that even making much sense. The character of Logan will be back shortly either way.

Doesn't matter if there's a cowl or not. The concept was another clawed, healing mutant that carries on Wolverine's legacy and role within the X-Men franchise. The comics have taken this approach to much success.

She could appear in X-Force, especially with the likes of Cable serving as the team leader and all the time travel capabilities that his character brings. It's not a stretch to assume that he could recruit Laura at some point in that film and have her serve as the team's "Wolverine". Bryan Singer even pitched Fox an X-23/female Wolverine film, so that's definitely a conversation that's being had within the studio. Which, I imagine, will only grow if the character is met with acclaim.

 

[def28]

Doesn't matter if there's a cowl or not. The concept was another clawed, healing mutant that carries on Wolverine's legacy and role within the X-Men franchise. The comics have taken this approach to much success.

Of Course it matters if theres a cowl and suit. Which is why she took it up in the comics, that says Wolverine more then just about everything. I disagree here because Old Man Logan was still going on and he was on Extraordinary X-Men. She never fully replaced Logan and still hasn't in the comic world.

Carrying on his Legacy in story form only in spirit and because they both have claws and she's a clone, sure ok. Fully replacing no. Never gonna happen, comics or film. These are different characters, even with the Wolverine suit and title the majority of fans still call her X-23.

She could appear in X-Force, especially with the likes of Cable serving as the team leader and all the time travel capabilities that his character brings. It's not a stretch to assume that he could recruit Laura at some point in that film and have her serve as the team's "Wolverine". Bryan Singer even pitched Fox an X-23/female Wolverine film, so that's definitely a conversation that's being had within the studio. Which, I imagine, will only grow if the character is met with acclaim

I agree with mostly all of this. But Laura can just be Laura. Aint anything wrong with that. She was a character long before Marvel Now and The Death Of Wolverine.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well of course Laura can still be Laura, but the cowl/title/whatever...that's just aesthetics. I'm not saying Wolverine is a title like Grendel or Zorro that people assume, but she's effectively Wolverine's daughter. She can fill that same niche and you can tell similar stories with the character.

 

[def28]

Personally I hope they go into a new direction since she is a very different character then Logan and we have seen so many Wolverine films. Her age alone allows for quite different stories and interactions with characters.

Think it's best for this series to recognize her less as a replacement for Jackman and more just as Laura/X-23 this early. Just don't see the benefits. But ultimately to each their own.

 

[Retroman]

With all the X-Men supposedly [BLACKOUT]dead[/BLACKOUT] i hope we see a recreation of this comic panel from Days of Future Past.

Austrian poster with a slight name change for that country....

http://www.foxfilm.at/logan

Also, Hugh Jackman recorded a special greeting that's attached to the theatrical trailer in Germany. Anyone seen this?

http://www.fsk.de/?seitid=491&tid=70

 

[Mike Murdock]

Robert Meyer Burnett from Collider Heroes said last week that a person he knows who has seen the film, so far, is Children of Men meets X-Men.

Which would make sense considering we've heard Laura might be the first mutant born in a long time (maybe 30-40 years).

While very plausible, it's also possible to take it less literally. A post-apocalyptic/dystopian wasteland is very children of man without it literally being that plot.

 

[JEM]

I have question about X-23. She is Logan's clone so she can age slowly like him ?

Because, i think she can be older (30 years old) in future timeline where Cable live. If i am right, He doesn't need to travel to Logan timeline in order to take X-23 but she could just live with him in the future.

Both could be from the same timeline and go back in time for X-Force.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I assume anyone with the quick healing power will age slow right?

 

[Weather Witch]

People keep complaining about the OT characters being recast, not being able to see proper development with the current cast due to the 10 year gaps between movies, etc. But then people are already talking about recasting X-23 with someone older before we have even seen her in the movie. I really don't see why we wouldn't stick with Dafne as X-23.