Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 2

[NotNickFury]

This emphasis on family and the intimacy of a close bond is something I hope we get in the next main series X-Men films.

 

[Guts]

They should have had her reading an Avengers comic and him saying how fake they are compared to the X-men.

 

[X Knight]

I've had my issues with Jackman as Wolverine from the very start ( namely the height issue ).

However, I'm not going to lie and say this movie isn't shaping up to be the Wolverine story I've been wanting from the very 1st X-Men film.

I'm also excited about the prospective future of an older X-23 taking Logan's place as the new Wolverine in future movies ( which is what it seems they are setting up for ).

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Eh, I'll pass

Not a fan of the X-Men films at all, and this one didn't do anything for me either

 

[Jumpman]

It seems that their existence as a group and at least some of their adventures may be publuc knowledge, but by Logan's judgment they seem to be a mix between inacurate and made up. I have trouble seeing the government covering up mutants existence and allowing the comic to be published. Plus previous movies already established mutants out in the open. Hard to indo that.

As for X-23 it could be that's her idealised version of Wolverine and they contrast that with the broken man he is now.

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and APOCALYPSE established this very well.

Here's the problem. We have no idea of the world's perception of the mutants from 1983 (the end of APOCALYPSE) to 2023 (the end of DAYS). That's 40 years. There's so much wiggle room there that that comic reference could make absolute sense in the context of not only the film but the timeline we're in now.

 

[BMM]

Looks great!

 

[samsnee]

Someone can spoiler the response but I assume Xavier dies in this? There's a shot in the first trailer where Logan is holding a shovel and is all bloodied up. I wouldn't be surprised if that follows a scene where he has buried Xavier.

Also, how would people feel if Mystique showed up at some point? The Rebecca Romijn version since she'd cheaper and make more sense since she's supposed to be the older version anyways.

 

[Jumpman]

This is what Mangold said about the comic:

“The world we find ourselves in when Logan begins, is a world in which all the merchandising and all the storytelling about the X-Men exists. It exists in a sense the same way movie stars can read their biography of their golden age in the past or sports stars may look in magazines or see replays running on ESPN of their golden moments in the past.

That the comic books exist is a kind of recreation of something that happened and something that Logan is trying to run from — meaning he’s tired of the legend. He’s tired of the stories, he’s tired of the people recognizing him on the street, and he’s tired of someone holding out an action figure of him. All that merchandizing exists in the movie, and I think it produces a very interesting effect, much more real world which was our goal. What is it like to be one of these characters who’s been sold, packaged, reported on, and a hero to kids — might have posters on some kid’s wall — yet you’re not fulfilling it anymore, you can’t keep up anymore? And that’s the interesting question the movie asks."

Basically, in that 40 year gap and especially after DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, something happened.

 

[Slick]

I hope we get a convo from X1 between Logan and X-23 about their claws. Logan ask X-23 "do they hurt when they come out" and X-23 says "every time". It would be a nice callback.

 

[Jumpman]

And this is Mangold about where the film takes place in the timeline...the year 2029.

"There's an epilogue scene in Days of Future Past which is 2024, or 2023, something like that," Mangold said. "I just wanted to get far enough past. My goal was real simple: it was to pick a time where I had enough elbow room that I was clear of existing entanglements. Part of the way I think this films stop being fresh (these films being franchise comic book movies) is when you find yourself making essentially a television series with $200 million episodes where you're literally just picking up where the last one left off and you're making a mini-series. Then, it's impossible to do something fresh, meaning essentially you're just a director on the 14th episode of a television show picking up where the last one left off and people are going to be really startled by any discontinuity or changes."

 

[Superhero 101]

Great trailer loved what I saw

 

[LEOZZTT]

It looks... decent?

 

[X Knight]

I hope we get a convo from X1 between Logan and X-23 about their claws. Logan ask X-23 "do they hurt when they come out" and X-23 says "every time". It would be a nice callback.

that would be a nice way to bring everything back full circle.

 

[The Infernal]

This is what Mangold said about the comic:



Basically, in that 40 year gap and especially after DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, something happened.

Eh. When I read "This is what Mangold said about the comic "I thought I may at least appreciate his reasoning even though I wasn't keen on the moment itself in the trailer. Yet i groaned at the first sentence. It just reads more like Logan is a tired and cynical old celebrity which is a world away from the 'Old Man Logan' they were trying to hype up in interviews. I still believe most or all of the X-men are dead outside of the Professor, but this snippet from Mangold sadly doesn't convey that and just makes me have more potential misgivings about where this could lead.

 

[scifiwolf]

Yeah, pretty much just happy tears watching that trailer. Nothing to add but that.

 

[fobi]

You know all of the images had me thinking that this was some kind of post apocalyptic future, that's why it was so strange to me that so much bad happened between the end of DOFP and this time. But I see that it's just the way Logan isolated himself from humanity in a sense. I guess I'm just used to seeing them in a big city setting. Civilization is normal, it's just that mutants don't exist anymore for some reason. I'm also starting to think that the X-Men aren't dead, at least not all of them. Maybe they all went their separate ways for one reason or another. Maybe even in different countries.

 

[marvelrobbins]

based on new comments on footage and what mangold is saying

Spoiler

last new mutant births were around 2004 since logan takes place in 2029.sounds like something happened post DOFP on east coast which have led the surviving mutants to go into hiding.wolverine is trying to keep xavier away from people.thus this gives fox wiggle room on what happenes to characters not Xavier and wolverine

not sure i like idea of X-men comic books in fil universe.with them saying film universe isn't like that it just opens more complaning.yes that ties into deadpool with shop saying to wade you want to be superhero

 

[Weather Witch]

based on new comments on footage and what mangold is saying

Spoiler

last new mutant births were around 2004 since logan takes place in 2029.sounds like something happened post DOFP on east coast which have led the surviving mutants to go into hiding.wolverine is trying to keep xavier away from people.thus this gives fox wiggle room on what happenes to characters not Xavier and wolverine

I was able to avoid that article, but now I can't keep myself from clicking on spoilers here. I am such a lost case. t:
This is an interesting move though...

 

[Abudefduf]

Nice trailer! Not as good as the first one, but that was to be expected. Best part was the opening scene for me. How can you not love grumpy dad Logan trying to teach little Laura that brutally murdering people is not ok.

I hope we get a convo from X1 between Logan and X-23 about their claws. Logan ask X-23 "do they hurt when they come out" and X-23 says "every time". It would be a nice callback.

Eh, you mean "cada vez". No seriously, that's what Laura would actually answer, since she apparently only speaks Spanish.

 

[Gu3ree]

What did Professor X say when he said, "She's ?? that f**king night"?? I couldn't catch the last bit clearly.

 

[GuestStar2004]

“The world we find ourselves in when Logan begins, is a world in which all the merchandising and all the storytelling about the X-Men exists. It exists in a sense the same way movie stars can read their biography of their golden age in the past or sports stars may look in magazines or see replays running on ESPN of their golden moments in the past.

“That the comic books exist is a kind of recreation of something that happened and something that Logan is trying to run from — meaning he’s tired of the legend. He’s tired of the stories, he’s tired of the people recognizing him on the street, and he’s tired of someone holding out an action figure of him. All that merchandizing exists in the movie, and I think it produces a very interesting effect, much more real world which was our goal. What is it like to be one of these characters who’s been sold, packaged, reported on, and a hero to kids — might have posters on some kid’s wall — yet you’re not fulfilling it anymore, you can’t keep up anymore? And that’s the interesting question the movie asks.

http://screenrant.com/logan-wolverine-x-men-comic-james-mangold/

This is abit weird that logan is a celebrity for being a comic book character, i wasn't expecting them to go meta like that.

Its no longer about mutants being accepted its about being a celebrity and how hard it is lol

 

[NotNickFury]

I don't know why, but I'm now thinking about Iron Man 3 and how a lot of that film was Tony Stark at a low point- though not his lowest until Civil War- and literally trying to piece his life together while on the run.

 

[iacobusleo]

This is abit weird that logan is a celebrity for being a comic book character, its really odd and very meta.

Is it weird though? We are in a new timeline now, with mutants being accepted and hailed as heroes as far back as 1983 with Mystique. In Deadpool it seems that being a hero is a huge part of the X-Men's legacy (as we see from Colossus' attempts to convince Wade to become a hero).

The X-Men comic feels like a very natural development, literally immortalizing the X-Men as heroic figures. The X-Men being celebrities do not automatically negate the persecuted mutant minority metaphor. I mean, the comics themselves have mutant celebrities, but the persecution never went away.

 

[Sithborg]

I am now craving Pringles...

 

[Mad Ones]

Looks good.

Especially X23