Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 3

[psylockolussus]

There is no perfect time to reboot the X-Men after this Logan movie. Xavier is probably dead after this just like the other X-Men. While Deadpool and X-Force could just exist in a different universe (MCU) that throws break the fourth wall references to the older films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There is no perfect time to reboot the X-Men after this Logan movie. Xavier is probably dead after this just like the other X-Men. While Deadpool and X-Force could just exist in a different universe (MCU) that throws break the fourth wall references to the older films.

Have you not been following anything of whats been going on?

 

[marvelrobbins]

with way deadpool writers continue to talk like deadpool isn't part of X-men universe that should allow fox is X-23 is popular to just stick her In X-force if she proves popular with
audences.that is their way of using Olivia munn as psylocke if they want.of course that may depend if psylocke is in supernova.

well at least if deadpool is in his own universe then fans don't have to include it in ranking or marathan of X-Men films lol

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

i shouldn't even bother but you act like there isn't any contunity at all between the films and that isn't.

No I'm acting like I shouldn't respect X-Continuity, when FoX doesn't.

Singer tried to honor all the films with DOFP.

They get zero credit for "fixing" problems created by themselves.

 

[GuestStar2004]

with way deadpool writers continue to talk like deadpool isn't part of X-men universe that should allow fox is X-23 is popular to just stick her In X-force if she proves popular with
audences.

There is a difference though between not being in the same universe and being in the same universe but keeping deadpool in his own different area of it.

 

[Legion]

Was it you that wanted more movies set in the future?
I remember agreeing with that sentiment.

Not necessarily setting the films in the future but I suggested changing the setting of the X-Men films to a dystopian world like "The Age of Apocalypse". In the comics it's an alternate present but it would be the future to the characters in the First Class trilogy.

I just think the X-Men can work really well in this setting and would help distinguish them from other superhero properties. I think it would be more interesting than the "more of the same but slightly different" approach that is being taken with the series.

It would be different from DoFP because we only saw a small glimpse of that world as the future scenes took place in isolated locations. With this approach we would follow the characters as they live and breathe in this reality. It would allow for new takes on existing characters and could introduce new interesting locations.

I don't think it's a move that MCU could make since all of their properties are so tightly coupled and DCU is pretty much just getting started. The X-Men could afford to make a change because they are in a different position.

They even have a Legion tv series that they could have used as a prequel / tie in to AOA if they had chosen to go that direction.

 

[2kt09]

Not necessarily setting the films in the future but I suggested changing the setting of the X-Men films to a dystopian world like "The Age of Apocalypse". In the comics it's an alternate present but it would be the future to the characters in the First Class trilogy.

I just think the X-Men can work really well in this setting and would help distinguish them from other superhero properties. I think it would be more interesting than the "more of the same but slightly different" approach that is being taken with the series.

It would be different from DoFP because we only saw a small glimpse of that world as the future scenes took place in isolated locations. With this approach we would follow the characters as they live and breathe in this reality. It would allow for new takes on existing characters and could introduce new interesting locations.

I don't think it's a move that MCU could make since all of their properties are so tightly coupled and DCU is pretty much just getting started. The X-Men could afford to make a change because they are in a different position.

They even have a Legion tv series that they could have used as a prequel / tie in to AOA if they had chosen to go that direction.

Definitely
Although, they seem to be doing varying dystopic settings now.

 

[psylockolussus]

A string of films dedicated to AoA would have been exciting. Legion having a connection would be a plus too. What you said sounds so good. Compare to what we got right now. Apocalypse is a 1 and done villain. Legion is not connected to the film series no matter how good it is. X-Men are killed/dead again in the future but this time, all of them were killed off screen.

 

[The Endless]

So can we please get a new Gambit, Rogue, Shadowcat, Iceman, & Colossus who are the same age range as Cyclops & Storm?

Why not?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Why not?

Because of this we can't see iconic characters redone.

Even though we already did in Deadpool but ok

 

[2kt09]

Because of this we can't see iconic characters redone.

Even though we already did in Deadpool but ok

The franchise has been redoing iconic characters for quite a while now.
I thought that's one of the reasons you begrudge the continuity and concurrent alt timelines.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I thought that's one of the reasons you begrudge the continuity and concurrent alt timelines.

It doesn't matter anymore now so when in Rome...

Might as well be consistently inconsistent

 

[marvelrobbins]

this is problem with some.they moan about contunity and then want to make
it worse.i have heard complants about them not doing enough with cyclops,
Jean,and storm.now that they have a chance to do that In 1990's set X-Men films some are moaning.now if you want to pretend deadpool Is part of X-Men universe then you have noway of knowing how old colossus is since he's ina rmored form whole film.fact there are no plans for him anytime soon In full X-Men films is why he's deadpool supporting character now.

Even in comics all the X-Men aren't suspose to be same age.

What people are describing is a reboot.The deadpool writers keep saying
deadpool is different franchise and universe from X-Men.therefor i am going to take them at their word and not consider deadpool,sequels or deadpool & X-force films part of X-Men universe.

Fox has shown it's relcuentce to reboot.the time travel new timeline of DOFP was their way to keep non first class films somewhat relvent to fans of those films and also not have films with younger cast,and cheaper one too,be bound by those films.all the future end of DOFP says is certain characters are alive in 2023.yeah it seems logan wipes that away but fox wasn't going to do any X-Men films in present or future anytime soon.The other tv show is likely in the present.Gambit if it ever is made also.

we are in march getting a r rated wolverine film.and supernova will not have any sign of wolverine.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

supernova will not have any sign of wolverine.

I honestly will be upset if Supernova is a space movie. Space doesn't have a 90's look. They'll be skipping right over the 90's if they randomly goto space after Apocalypse.

 

[Gu3ree]

"The Wolverine" seemed like a standalone in spite that it exists in the X-Men Universe. One of the reasons I liked the movie because it wasn't insistent on ahving cameos or making so many references to the X-Men world.

"X-Men Origins"...seriously, I hated that title, and it really undermines the character when you have his title name come second after a colon, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"

I think part of the reason the movie failed a great deal wasn't just because of the leaked rough cut, and it wasn't jsut because the film itself sucked too, but it was just for the fact that it was called, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" rather than just "Wolverine".

The whole point of the spin-off is to use a famous character from the X-Men movies and give him his own. Mark Twain didn't call his Huck Finn spinoff: "Tom Sawyer Friends: The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn".

20th Century Fox was so worried the audience wouldn't know who Wolverine was unless they reminded us he's that same guy from X-Men. Yeah, we f**king know.

The film didn't suck because of the title, but I think that's part of the reason why it didn't do well at the box office. "Wolverine" could have at least topped the box office the opening week without "X-Men Origins" in the title.

I watched snippets of the film recently and noticed how bad the FX were. The plane ride fx looked so cartoony. I didn't realize how bad the adamantium claws looked either. Overall, the FX didn't look that much different from the incompleted leaked cut.

 

[marvelrobbins]

"The Wolverine" seemed like a standalone in spite that it exists in the X-Men Universe. One of the reasons I liked the movie because it wasn't insistent on ahving cameos or making so many references to the X-Men world.

"X-Men Origins"...seriously, I hated that title, and it really undermines the character when you have his title name come second after a colon, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"

I think part of the reason the movie failed a great deal wasn't just because of the leaked rough cut, and it wasn't jsut because the film itself sucked too, but it was just for the fact that it was called, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" rather than just "Wolverine".

The whole point of the spin-off is to use a famous character from the X-Men movies and give him his own. Mark Twain didn't call his Huck Finn spinoff: "Tom Sawyer Friends: The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn".

20th Century Fox was so worried the audience wouldn't know who Wolverine was unless they reminded us he's that same guy from X-Men. Yeah, we f**king know.

The film didn't suck because of the title, but I think that's part of the reason why it didn't do well at the box office. "Wolverine" could have at least topped the box office the opening week without "X-Men Origins" in the title.

I watched snippets of the film recently and noticed how bad the FX were. The plane ride fx looked so cartoony. I didn't realize how bad the adamantium claws looked either. Overall, the FX didn't look that much different from the incompleted leaked cut.

Origins is bad film.

studios obsession with forcing shared universe is tiresome.The wolverine
works as solo wolverine chapter of series.it deals somewhat with wolverine
s guilt for killing jean in last stand but seeing last stand isn'trequirement.only real connecting is mid-credit scene which is setup for DOFP.

My prefeared viewing of X-Men films if you include both timelines are

First Class/X-Men/X2/The Wolverine/DOFP/Apocalypse

 

[2kt09]

My prefeared viewing of X-Men films if you include both timelines are

First Class/X-Men/X2/The Wolverine/DOFP/Apocalypse

You can cut Origins out, but TW and DOFP ground their premises on the aftermath of TLS.

 

[LoganPool]

"The Wolverine" seemed like a standalone in spite that it exists in the X-Men Universe. One of the reasons I liked the movie because it wasn't insistent on ahving cameos or making so many references to the X-Men world.

"X-Men Origins"...seriously, I hated that title, and it really undermines the character when you have his title name come second after a colon, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"

I think part of the reason the movie failed a great deal wasn't just because of the leaked rough cut, and it wasn't jsut because the film itself sucked too, but it was just for the fact that it was called, "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" rather than just "Wolverine".

The whole point of the spin-off is to use a famous character from the X-Men movies and give him his own. Mark Twain didn't call his Huck Finn spinoff: "Tom Sawyer Friends: The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn".

20th Century Fox was so worried the audience wouldn't know who Wolverine was unless they reminded us he's that same guy from X-Men. Yeah, we f**king know.

The film didn't suck because of the title, but I think that's part of the reason why it didn't do well at the box office. "Wolverine" could have at least topped the box office the opening week without "X-Men Origins" in the title.

I watched snippets of the film recently and noticed how bad the FX were. The plane ride fx looked so cartoony. I didn't realize how bad the adamantium claws looked either. Overall, the FX didn't look that much different from the incompleted leaked cut.

Fun fact:

It was called "X-Men Origins" because originally this was to be the first of many "Origin" movies based on X-Men characters.

X-Men Origins: Magneto, was suppose to come next.
X-Men Origins: Storm, was being written.

It had absolutely nothing to do with FOX being worried that no one would know who Wolverine is.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fun fact:

It was called "X-Men Origins" because originally this was to be the first of many "Origin" movies based on X-Men characters.

X-Men Origins: Magneto, was suppose to come next.
X-Men Origins: Storm, was being written.

It had absolutely nothing to do with FOX being worried that no one would know who Wolverine is.

Storm? I remember no rumor or word of a storm movie in development.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Origins is bad film.

studios obsession with forcing shared universe is tiresome.The wolverine
works as solo wolverine chapter of series.it deals somewhat with wolverine
s guilt for killing jean in last stand but seeing last stand isn'trequirement.only real connecting is mid-credit scene which is setup for DOFP.

My prefeared viewing of X-Men films if you include both timelines are

First Class/X-Men/X2/The Wolverine/DOFP/Apocalypse

You can cut Origins out, but TW and DOFP ground their premises on the aftermath of TLS.

honestly at this point it'd almost be easier to divide the movies into two different categories in terms of viewer order...

the Wolverine movies_ XO:W, X2, TLS, TW, Logan
And
the X-men movie_ FC, X-men, DOFP, Apocalypse

and consider Wolverine more of a crossover character with some tie in references to his storylines being featured in the ladders

 

[psylockolussus]

I honestly will be upset if Supernova is a space movie. Space doesn't have a 90's look. They'll be skipping right over the 90's if they randomly goto space after Apocalypse.

I have my doubts that it would take place outside Earth. Fox is not in a good position to raise the budget for the sequel since Apocalypse underperformed and they are thrifty and like to limit themselves. And I doubt Kinberg could live up to adapting the Phoenix saga story. It'd be set somewhere in Earth and you'd get the Shiar as some ancient alien accidentally reawakened by Xavier's crush.

 

[2kt09]

I have my doubts that it would take place outside Earth. Fox is not in a good position to raise the budget for the sequel since Apocalypse underperformed and they are thrifty and like to limit themselves.

Uhh...modern operatic space movies have been done around the cost of Apocalypse, some even less than that.

They don't have to have the budget of Star Wars or Avatar if that's your only expectation.

 

[marvelrobbins]

while i shouldn't bother contesting posts from the doom and gloom posters
remember first class made less money worldwide than apocalypse and yet
fox went from 160 million budget for first class to 200 million plus for DOFP.

while supernova won't have any of the original cast taking X-men into outer space can be something different and fresh.People never thought time travel and sentinles would be in films and they were.

 

[psylockolussus]

Uhh...modern operatic space movies have been done around the cost of Apocalypse, some even less than that.

They don't have to have the budget of Star Wars or Avatar if that's your only expectation.

Apocalypse cost around 178 million and the vfx was bad. What makes you think it would be different this time by not raising the budget especially space films would surely require more green screen? Then First Class actors might ask for a raise if they renewed their contract. And this isn't passengers or gravity, where you didn't have characters having mutant powers.

 

[2kt09]

Apocalypse cost around 178 million and the vfx was bad. What makes you think it would be different this time by not raising the budget especially space films would surely require more green screen?

Because the vfx crew and vfx direction make the difference.
Green Lantern costs more than Apocalypse.
Star Trek '09, Star Trek Beyond, GOTG cost less than Apocalypse.
Dr Strange costs less than Apocalypse.

The upcoming Valerian is only $2 mil more than Apocalypse.

Then First Class actors might ask for a raise if they renewed their contract.

So...write them out or give them smaller parts...