Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 3

[GuestStar2004]

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wo...an-says-logan-different-universe-x-men-films/

Because the movie she is being introduced in is as said by Hugh Jackman is not in the same universe in this video plain & simple & if they change their minds later on that will just annoy fans even more time for a complete reboot. There is no way around this X23 is not in the X-Men movie universe

Better to quote the actor to debate on and not the website which is reading into it the same as anyone else is.

 

[ImSGirl95]

But as you just quoted

He acknowledged that he set it later because he wanted a clear slate

Prodably saying a good word about Singer and the movie.
Still, good point there. But now is the fact that one day later, [producer] Hugh Jackman comes and says it's not set in the same universe.
This isn't coming from some random actor from the movie. This is coming from the guy who got a cut of the salary.

But yeah, at this point, I would say "whatever" ..

 

[GuestStar2004]

All continuity bs aside my POV is this:

If Logan doesn't die in this Hugh retires as Wolverine. But not as Logan. He sticks around on the sidelines coaching while we watch Laura take up the mantle. That way Hugh can comeback whenever he wants and we can see how his relationship with Laura develops over time. And X-23 could join the X-Men.

I suspect hugh didn't make this movie with the idea he was coming back.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I suspect hugh didn't make this movie with the idea he was coming back.

I bet Phil Jackson and Larry Bird didn't think they'd be coaching basketball after they retired from playing either.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I bet Phil Jackson and Larry Bird didn't think they'd be coaching basketball after they retired from playing either.

But you would have to leave it open for him to come back later and if he hasn't got it in mind to come back that door may be closed

 

[2kt09]

Headcanon already etched in stone.

Logan takes place within that First Class timeline.

Farewell again original trilogy (2000-2014)

 

[GuestStar2004]

Prodably saying a good word about Singer and the movie.
Still, good point there. But now is the fact that one day later, [producer] Hugh Jackman comes and says it's not set in the same universe.
This isn't coming from some random actor from the movie. This is coming from the guy who got a cut of the salary.

But yeah, at this point, I would say "whatever" ..

I think its down to context in the long run.

 

[kguillou]

I think Hugh is just basically saying that the movie should be treated like Old Man Logan the comic, a standalone, "what if?" story that can or can't be considered canon but won't tout itself as the definitive end. Like another poster pointed out, its also like The Dark Knight Returns, no one considers that canon but people love it as an awesome What If? Batman story.

If the movie makes that clear, which Jackman says it does, then I can live with that and our happy ending in Dofp won't be ruined.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If the movie makes that clear, which Jackman says it does, then I can live with that and our happy ending in Dofp won't be ruined.

I can see it being like Deadpool where you have a different colossus and you don't really know if its a rebooted colossus or if its meant to be the same colossus that appeared in the other movies because there are obvious differences that retcon that so many seemed to believe for ages it was almost like it was a different universe but if you asked the producers they would probably say it is in the same universe.

Thats basically the idea i think they are going for with logan, they wanted to do their own thing, they didn't want ties, they wanted their own western type grounded world where things were a certain way that suited their story.

Its a very unorganised universe that will probably continue to be unorganised.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Farewell again original trilogy (2000-2014)

Wolverine: Liberty Island was a long time ago

Professor X: You were just a cage fighter we took you in gave you a family

 

[2kt09]

Wolverine: Liberty Island was a long time ago

Professor X: You were just a cage fighter we took you in gave you a family

Cue [BLACKOUT]marvelrobbin's headcanon [/BLACKOUT]

 

[LoganPool]

I think you guys are taking that Digital Spy article too literally. The film mentions the Liberty Island inncident and Wolverines cage fighting from X1. It's the same universe.

But regardless, it shouldn't matter. It looks like a great f***ing movie. Just enjoy it.

And to the guy who said he hopes Logan crashes and burns because of this... look out the window. You see that? That's life... reminding you that there's far more important things than a stand alone Logan movie. It'll be okay.

 

[2kt09]

The continuity bs is important because since this is not canon with the rest of the series X23 can not appear with the other characters its quite simple

The "continuity BS" is THE reason why they can do whatever they want.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I think you guys are taking that Digital Spy article too literally. The film mentions the Liberty Island inncident and Wolverines cage fighting from X1. It's the same universe.

There's actual dialogue from the 40 minutes online now. Why not rake actual exposition from the movie literally?

 

[GuestStar2004]

il still say that exposition probably won't matter in terms of where the X-Men movies go but clearly the idea behind it is to show some throw back.

I also originally thought they might have had further plans for this world set up in logan but i am starting to doubt that now since it sounds like its just something mangold wanted to do and that there was no further thought put into it.

 

[LoganPool]

There's actual dialogue from the 40 minutes online now. Why not rake actual exposition from the movie literally?

I'm a little confused by your wording... are you agreeing with me???

Cuz if not, I'm completely aware that's there's dialogue from the first 40 minutes online... that's how I know that these events are mentioned...

 

[2kt09]

The continuity bs is one of the reasons why these movies are making less & less outside of First Class & DOFP & now the headlines across comic sites are just confusing people even more even the non fans. The X-Men movies not named Deadpool will be out right flops soon enough & not just disappointments they will continue to make less & less

outside of First Class? That's one of the least profited of the X-Men flicks. It's THE reason the sequel had to be DOFP.

 

[Xrated48]

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/wo...an-says-logan-different-universe-x-men-films/

Because the movie she is being introduced in is as said by Hugh Jackman is not in the same universe in this video plain & simple & if they change their minds later on that will just annoy fans even more time for a complete reboot. There is no way around this X23 is not in the X-Men movie universe

That does not make any sense since the Logan where getting is the same one from all the other X-Men movies. Therefore X-23 is in the same universe as the other X-Men movies.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I'm a little confused by your wording... are you agreeing with me???

There's no way the mass event of Apocalypse in Africa can transition into X1 liberty island events.


The whole are mutants dangerous debate would be moot. None of it makes sense why retcon everything with DoFP just to go right back to it.


If X1 happened then why not X3 or W: O

 

[GuestStar2004]

Its not very likely logan will flop.

 

[2kt09]

Okay you got me on that one but that just further proves my point & Logan could end up being the X-Men movie that makes THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY & if that happens the future does not look bright for New Mutants at least X-Force will have the Deadpool connection but yep if Logan flops t:

Both Wolverine movies made more than First Class.
As long as the concept/premise and execution is refreshing, which is what Deadpool was for a lot of moviegoers AND what Logan intends to be, they'll make enough to keep going.

Seriously, the X-boards are familiar with the doom and gloom after a movie comes out and yet it's still here.

If X1 happened then why not X3 or W: O

Because they specifically changed DOFP from happening and thus brought back Jean, Scott, etc...so X3 was already undone. Deadpool undoes W: O.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Because they specifically changed DOFP from happening and thus brought back Jean, Scott, etc...so X3 was already undone. Deadpool undoes W: O.

But isn't "time immutable"? Wouldn't it just happen again?



This is just an example of pushing the goaline back.

First it was X1-X3 didn't happen.


Now its just X2-X3 didn't happen

 

[2kt09]

Sooner or later these movies will stop making money the only reason FOX is still making these movies is the same reason why they will continue with another Fantastic Four & why they will likely make another Dragonball movie so that the rights do not expire its as simple as that. If FOX continues this path & keeps Simon Kinberg employed sooner or later the X-Men bubble will burst all of this new found negativity surrounding Logan will not help it either & when FOX no longer has Hugh Jackman as Wolverine that's gonna hurt & not help as well the X-Men bubble will burst sooner or later

This grudge is more than a decade old. You do you.

 

[LoganPool]

There's no way the mass event of Apocalypse in Africa can transition into X1 liberty island events.

I beg to differ, but IF that's true, then maybe this movie is a "what if" continuation of X1-3. Still the same universe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Because they specifically changed DOFP from happening and thus brought back Jean, Scott, etc...so X3 was already undone. Deadpool undoes W: O.

Well to be fair other things have changed too, nightcrawler being added to the team changes things abit since no one knew him in X2 and obviously Wolverines origin was changed in Apocalypse because he actually become Weapon X and jean gave him back whatever memory she could which likely didn't happen in OT.

Now how that stuff affects other things we probably won't know.