Maine middle school to offer birth control

[Zoken]

I've never seen the point of using "hippy" in a perjorative manner before but... this. What I'm hearing from all of you is that it is completely understandable for 11 year olds to have sex.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Wow... reading that made me feel dirty all over.

Starting off, I don't put much stock in Freud. The guy was a perv who had sex on his mind WAY too much.

second. You're citing Wikipedia... I'm sorry, you lose at life.

Can you prove he was wrong about everything?

 

[Zoken]

Can you prove he was wrong about everything?

Nope, not at all. Which is why I said "I don't put too much stock in what he says". It's my opinion, which is the wonderful thing about psychology, it's all theories. There are no solid or concrete rules.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Nope, not at all. Which is why I said "I don't put too much stock in what he says". It's my opinion, which is the wonderful thing about psychology, it's all theories. There are no solid or concrete rules.

That's not true. There is a lot that is fact.

 

[teseract]

I've never seen the point of using "hippy" in a perjorative manner before but... this. What I'm hearing from all of you is that it is completely understandable for 11 year olds to have sex.

I consider the scientific and historic facts and according to these, yes it is understandable.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Could you show me some facts stating that. I just would like to see it that's all. Not saying you're wrong, I just would like to see where that source and number came from.

It's a direct quote from the scientist who came up with the "black hole theory" which is the precursor to the "big bang theory". A similar scenario was proposed in the 19th century...

An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes.

– Essai philosophique sur les probabilités, Introduction. 1814~​

So you're saying that people that have casual sex are foolish? Sounds like you are passing judgement to me.

I am saying that casual sex is foolish, yes. As for the judgment, I am not condemning, merely evaluating. Christians are called to evaluate the actions of people, and hold them accountabe to God...but never to condemn them for their choices.

IF "God" did in fact create Man in his image and Woman from Man, he did create them flawed didn't he? So it's only natural to make these mistakes. Not foolish, it's just part of being human.

Just because it's "natural", doesn't make it right in God's eyes. We as a race have a fallen nature, the result of sin in the Garden of Eden. Because of this, we do things against God and His plan, but He forgives us, if and when we repent.

Right and wrong? based on what? Words written by men?

No, on words written by God through men. There's a huge difference.

I mean other than forcing someone to have sex with you there are no right or wrongs about sex.

Then explain why everyone's opinion of sex isn't equal, not to mention God's. If there were no moral restrictions on sex but by force, then most people's apprehensions wouldn't even exist. The fact that they do indicates a sense of right and wrong.

So what about people that believe in other religions? Are they wrong? How do you know your religion is the right religion?

Faith. Trusting God through Christ goes completely against mental logic or human reasoning...that's why it works.

Then how do you, or "God" feel about homosexuality? Doesn't the bible say it's a sin?

Yes, the Bible does define homosexuality as sinful. Personally, I believe it to be completely inappropriate in any context. Do I hate gays? No, because God loves them, and asks us to as well. But I don't have to endorse their decisions, either.

I do personally am a spirutal person, I am not sure if there is a "God" in the way "God" has been depicted. I do not know if Chrisitanity, Judism, Catholosism (sp), Hinduism, Islamic or any other belief system is right or wrong.

Of all the ones you listed, Christianity is the only one that teaches grace, without people having to earn it. Even the Catholics believe you have to say Hail Marys a certain number of times to be forgiven, when Jesus simply said, "I am the way the truth and the life. He who believes in me, though [his body] dies like everyone else, will recieve eternal life."

But I do not believe if there is a "God" that "God" is an unmerciful being, or would punish us. "God" would be more understanding than any human ever born.

It all has to do with perfect justice. Humanity can't earn its way to God, no matter what we do or how hard we try. God has 2 choices, either let us try forever to reach Him by ourselves (which is inherently futile), or tak the full punishment for sin upon Himself, which he did with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. he paid the final penalty, and all He asks in return is for us to repent and trust Him. God does forgive, but His desire to do so can't outrule His original design where justice is concerned.

 

[Zoken]

That's not true. There is a lot that is fact.

Name some. name some concrete rules about psychology.

I consider the scientific and historic facts and according to these, yes it is understandable.

I think I may weep.

Hey, Tes, Can I ask what your name means? It sounds interesting.

 

[teseract]

Name some. name some concrete rules about psychology.


I think I may weep.

Hey, Tes, Can I ask what your name means? It sounds interesting.

Feel free to do, still doesn't change the facts.

It's a Portmanteau of my Family name and a Tesseract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Name some. name some concrete rules about psychology.


I think I may weep.

Hey, Tes, Can I ask what your name means? It sounds interesting.

1. Positive Reinforcement

2. Negative Reinforcement

3. Pavlov's Dog (sp)

4. Marijuana is mentally addictive not physically.

There's four.

 

[Zoken]

Feel free to do, still doesn't change the facts.

It's a Portmanteau of my Family name and a Tesseract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

thanks for the information. I still can't believe this is considered an "Acceptable age" to start having sex.

 

[Zoken]

1. Positive Reinforcement

2. Negative Reinforcement

3. Pavlov's Dog (sp)

4. Marijuana is mentally addictive not physically.

There's four.

12, are usually but not always effective, therefore not concrete.
3, none human, not counting it.
4, pharmacology, not psychology.

 

[teseract]

thanks for the information. I still can't believe this is considered an "Acceptable age" to start having sex.

if it is an acceptable age is discussworthy

that it is understandable is imho not discussworthy simply because of biological, scientific and historical reasons.

Understanding something, doesn't mean accepting it.

 

[Superhobo]

It's a direct quote from the scientist who came up with the "black hole theory" which is the precursor to the "big bang theory". A similar scenario was proposed in the 19th century...

An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes.

– Essai philosophique sur les probabilités, Introduction. 1814~​

I am saying that casual sex is foolish, yes. As for the judgment, I am not condemning, merely evaluating. Christians are called to evaluate the actions of people, and hold them accountabe to God...but never to condemn them for their choices.

Just because it's "natural", doesn't make it right in God's eyes. We as a race have a fallen nature, the result of sin in the Garden of Eden. Because of this, we do things against God and His plan, but He forgives us, if and when we repent.

No, on words written by God through men. There's a huge difference.

Then explain why everyone's opinion of sex isn't equal, not to mention God's. If there were no moral restrictions on sex but by force, then most people's apprehensions wouldn't even exist. The fact that they do indicates a sense of right and wrong.

Faith. Trusting God through Christ goes completely against mental logic or human reasoning...that's why it works.

Yes, the Bible does define homosexuality as sinful. Personally, I believe it to be completely inappropriate in any context. Do I hate gays? No, because God loves them, and asks us to as well. But I don't have to endorse their decisions, either.

Of all the ones you listed, Christianity is the only one that teaches grace, without people having to earn it. Even the Catholics believe you have to say Hail Marys a certain number of times to be forgiven, when Jesus simply said, "I am the way the truth and the life. He who believes in me, though [his body] dies like everyone else, will recieve eternal life."

It all has to do with perfect justice. Humanity can't earn its way to God, no matter what we do or how hard we try. God has 2 choices, either let us try forever to reach Him by ourselves (which is inherently futile), or tak the full punishment for sin upon Himself, which he did with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. he paid the final penalty, and all He asks in return is for us to repent and trust Him. God does forgive, but His desire to do so can't outrule His original design where justice is concerned.

You, um...you really can't have a single discussion without bringing the Almighty into it, can you? Not. A. Single. One. There was no reason for god to be brought up in here, and yet...

 

[Zoken]

You know, along with being abstinent, I have also never been a big drinker (I've had 3 in my 23 years of life), but this whole thread has made me REALLY want to get drunk enough to forget it all.

 

[teseract]

It's a direct quote from the scientist who came up with the "black hole theory" which is the precursor to the "big bang theory". A similar scenario was proposed in the 19th century...

An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes.

– Essai philosophique sur les probabilités, Introduction. 1814~​

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Yes because science stopped in the 19th century. Oh sorry, I forgot science nowadays is of course a tool of the evil liberal darwinists who want to abolish god.

 

[teseract]

You know, along with being abstinent, I have also never been a big drinker (I've had 3 in my 23 years of life), but this whole thread has made me REALLY want to get drunk enough to forget it all.

Considering that I'm a godless heathen it is a surprise, that I don't drink, after all I apparently lack discipline and self control, don't I

 

[Mr. Socko]

Preggers at 11....wtf

 

[Zoken]

Considering that I'm a godless heathen it is a surprise, that I don't drink, after all I apparently lack discipline and self control, don't I

Oh, go look for things to be offended by elsewhere. I don't drink because I have a family history of Alcoholism.

You want me to get presumptious? Fine. You are fairly intelligent, which confuses me when you act like BC pills and a condom give you complete protection from anything sexually transmitted. You have a lifestyle I don't understand, and (here comes the presumptious part) the only thing I do understand about you is that when you were a teenager you were an little emo-*****/bastard who felt hard done by because mommy or daddy punished you, and it wasn't fair and maybe you really did have something horrible happen to you once in life, but move the **** on and stop basing your life around that moment. see a therapist, do a stand up act, whatever it takes to get you some emotional healing.

There, NOW you can act like I've been offensive, because in that honest opinion up there, I'm damn sure I was offensive.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

1. It's a direct quote from the scientist who came up with the "black hole theory" which is the precursor to the "big bang theory". A similar scenario was proposed in the 19th century...

2. An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes.

– Essai philosophique sur les probabilités, Introduction. 1814~​

3. I am saying that casual sex is foolish, yes. As for the judgment, I am not condemning, merely evaluating. Christians are called to evaluate the actions of people, and hold them accountabe to God...but never to condemn them for their choices.

4. Just because it's "natural", doesn't make it right in God's eyes. We as a race have a fallen nature, the result of sin in the Garden of Eden. Because of this, we do things against God and His plan, but He forgives us, if and when we repent.

5. No, on words written by God through men. There's a huge difference.

6. Then explain why everyone's opinion of sex isn't equal, not to mention God's. If there were no moral restrictions on sex but by force, then most people's apprehensions wouldn't even exist. The fact that they do indicates a sense of right and wrong.

7. Faith. Trusting God through Christ goes completely against mental logic or human reasoning...that's why it works.

8. Yes, the Bible does define homosexuality as sinful. Personally, I believe it to be completely inappropriate in any context. Do I hate gays? No, because God loves them, and asks us to as well. But I don't have to endorse their decisions, either.

9. Of all the ones you listed, Christianity is the only one that teaches grace, without people having to earn it. Even the Catholics believe you have to say Hail Marys a certain number of times to be forgiven, when Jesus simply said, "I am the way the truth and the life. He who believes in me, though [his body] dies like everyone else, will recieve eternal life."

10. It all has to do with perfect justice. Humanity can't earn its way to God, no matter what we do or how hard we try. God has 2 choices, either let us try forever to reach Him by ourselves (which is inherently futile), or tak the full punishment for sin upon Himself, which he did with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. he paid the final penalty, and all He asks in return is for us to repent and trust Him. God does forgive, but His desire to do so can't outrule His original design where justice is concerned.

1. I do not see a formula and it sounds like that came from a philosopher not a mathmatician.

2. The quote itself is philisophical in nature. Not scientific or proving anything. It simply implie that if there were such a being, that is what the being would be capable of. Again I am not saying you're wrong. I just would like to see some actual data on that forumla you mentioned.

3. Umm evaluation and judgment are the same thing. Saying it is foolish is passing judgment. You may not think they are bad or evil people, but by thinking it is a foolish act is still passing judgment.

4. Here is that doesn't make sense. If "God" is "perfect" then he created us flawed. Which would still not be a mistake because "God" is "perfect" therefore, "God" would know that we were to be flawed and imperfect. Thus it being human nature, "God" would not see it as right or wrong, just part of our being.

5. By thinking the bible is the word of "God" that was written through men puts your faith not in "God" that those are "God's" words. But you are putting your faith in the men that wrote the bible. Who knows why they wrote the bible and where their facts came from. I know that is the point of religion is to have faith, but your faith would not be in "God" it would be in men that the bible is right.

6. That's just it, it's an opinion. There is no right or wrong answer. Just a mutual agreement. If I say Michael Jordan I feel that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever. I am not right, or wrong. Another person could say Magic Johnson is the best basketball player ever. That person is not right or wrong either. It is simply out opinions.

7. Same would go for Muslims, Hindus, Jehova's Witness (sp), Buddist and the same for all other religions. Their faith would make them right.

8. Then what about animals having homosexual relations? Or are they different because they are animals? The same rules do not apply? They are allowed to be homosexual and we are not? How does that make sense? Homosexuality is a natural thing. Why would "God" make this a natural thing, and yet make it a sin?

9. Those were examples, there are hundreds of religious belief systems around the world. They are all wrong?

Not to mention that the story of christ exists in other religions and cultures decades and centuries before Christianity was around.

What about the Romans? Myans? Native Americans? Greeks? Egyptians? What about the cultures that were around before the time of "God" and "Christ"? Are they condemend to a life in purgatory for not "****shiping" "God"?

10. So if we don't repent we go to hell? Does not sound like a belief system that makes sense to me. Just as I said about people that have no clue about "God" or "Christ", since they do not repent they go to hell?

 

[keith_v]

It's good to see a school taking some initiative, but they obviously have not thought this through.

They're handing condoms to little children. About 99% of 10 and 11 year olds are not capable of making important decisions for themselves. By doing this, the school is condoning sex among young kids. But who exactly are these kids going to have sex after they were just handed a condom? Each other? Or will a young girl go hang out with a pedophile and think "well, if the teachers in school think this is okay..."

I think handing condoms out in high school is fine, because you have 17 and 18 years olds, also couples that may end up getting married. There are a lot of mature students in high school. But middle school, it's simply too early. You may think that the school is being progressive, but just try to explain that to a 10 or 11 year old and see how well they comrehend it. That should show you their level of maturity.

 

[teseract]

Oh, go look for things to be offended by elsewhere. I don't drink because I have a family history of Alcoholism.

You want me to get presumptious? Fine. You are fairly intelligent, which confuses me when you act like BC pills and a condom give you complete protection from anything sexually transmitted. You have a lifestyle I don't understand, and (here comes the presumptious part) the only thing I do understand about you is that when you were a teenager you were an little emo-*****/bastard who felt hard done by because mommy or daddy punished you, and it wasn't fair and maybe you really did have something horrible happen to you once in life, but move the **** on and stop basing your life around that moment. see a therapist, do a stand up act, whatever it takes to get you some emotional healing.

There, NOW you can act like I've been offensive, because in that honest opinion up there, I'm damn sure I was offensive.

Hmmm, not really, I think I dodn't have much of a trauma. I just got spanked as a kid when I didn't obey which kinda made me rebellious in later years and from that day on I pretty much did what I wanted not listening to anyone anymore. Didn't really cause me much trouble though since I was clever enough to deal with thing in a way that they didn't lead to bad consequences. As for Condoms, and Pill, both together give pretty much 100% security in terms of pregnancy, as for STDs. Like I said, no risk no fun. I use condoms regularly and I don't **** around with everyone but if I still should get one somedays, oh well, **** happens.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

1, & 2, are usually but not always effective, therefore not concrete.
3, none human, not counting it.
4, pharmacology, not psychology.

1. & 2. Ah but they do in fact work. Therefore they are facts. Just the same as we know that if you're heart stops beating you die. But that is not always the case now is it?

3. Can be used in human context and in fact has. You're reaching for straws on that. It is still a fact.

4. Ummm, yes actually it can also be found in psychology as well. So it's a fact.

 

[Zoken]

For the record, I was never against teach them about protection, not even at 11, I am just against the schools GIVING the protection to them.

 

[Zoken]

1. & 2. Ah but they do in fact work. Therefore they are facts. Just the same as we know that if you're heart stops beating you die. But that is not always the case now is it?

3. Can be used in human context and in fact has. You're reaching for straws on that. It is still a fact.

4. Ummm, yes actually it can also be found in psychology as well. So it's a fact.

look, the marijuana thing may be fact, but it also has little to do with psychology.

123 are all theories, none of them "Laws" or "Principles".

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

look, the marijuana thing may be fact, but it also has little to do with psychology.

123 are all theories, none of them "Laws" or "Principles".

1. It actually has a lot to do with psychology. As do other drugs that people build either a physical or mental dependancy on.

1,2 & 3. If it can be proven, they are facts. They have been proven, therefore are facts. I am in agreeance with you that a lot of psychology is speculation and theory. But there are solid, sound, facts in it as well.