Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - - Part 14

[John-An]

Lol what planet are you living on because this couldn't be further from the truth.



That's right, so let's see just how Thor:TDW does this November.

The difference is that Thor is a sequel and is following the avengers succes... In Supes we have a reboot and MOS fought with stupid reviews (and the sheeps that believe most of the "great critics") and with big productions as MU, wwz something avengers or other cmb didn't.. and the movie is stablishing and gave a good change into the Superman universe to a modern era with a great plot (not perfect)... in all my screenings people clap at the end.. so the meh that Jim-el is trying to say I don't see it.... except for purists and haters but I don't give a sh... to them... Fans and most of the people enjoyed and loved MOS... I don't need a 400 million BO to know if a movie is good... like I said above.. many 1 billion dollars are bulls%&
AND GOOD LUCK TO THOR'S BOX OFFICE

 

[chiefchirpa]

I talked to someone before MOS came out who was confused about its origin story because "...Didn't they already reboot Superman a few years ago with an origin?"

I know there are those that are still entranced by the Donner movies, I'm one of them, but my friends that I'd classify as the average movie goer didn't want to see MOS because of the Reeve films and Superman Returns. They don't relate to them or take them seriously.

Though Superman is a well known character, he's not necessarily a popular one outside of the comic fans. To many he feels dated. I just hope I can get friends to give MOS a chance and, since the Batman/Superman announcement, they're starting to warm up the idea.

But Superman is Superman. Many people know about him. There isn't any bad stigma around Superman to non comic moviegoers other than he is an archetype superhero fantasy character. Gist of the matter Superman doesn't start from zero because his name is already famous from old people to kids. His legacy silver spooned any Superman movies until it gets overexposed.

Now compare Superman with Green Lantern pre 2010 or Iron Man pre 2008. These movie franchises start from zero. One failed, one passed.

Also SR is not an origin, but abject continuation of Donnerverse. This shows that some people don't really attune to an origin story or not. What they care is if the franchise got new actors or heck, new life.

 

[robot]

That's not true. It was liked.

I actually really liked IM3, so I would have preferred it if others that I knew also felt that way.

But you just said it wasn't liked before.. now you're saying it was liked?

Hmm... you're a strange one...

 

[GreenKToo]

Lol wut?? thor making 700/750 ww?? no way. Maybe 550/600 IF its good.
RDJ made the IM franchise and was a main draw in Avengers. Chris Hemsworth is no RDJ.
As for wolvie, i'll pass and wait for the DvD. I hated the last one.

 

[robot]

Lol wut?? thor making 700/750 ww?? no way. Maybe 550/600 IF its good.
RDJ made the IM franchise and was a main draw in Avengers. Chris Hemsworth is no RDJ.
As for wolvie, i'll pass and wait for the DvD. I hated the last one.

My thoughts exactly... Ironman's success is due more to RDJ than Avengers... and Avenger's success is also due in BIG part by RDJ's Ironman role..

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Did we ever get an updated WW total this weekend ?

 

[kedrell]

Lol wut?? thor making 700/750 ww?? no way. Maybe 550/600 IF its good.
RDJ made the IM franchise and was a main draw in Avengers. Chris Hemsworth is no RDJ.
As for wolvie, i'll pass and wait for the DvD. I hated the last one.

There's a reason TA made $900M more WW than the highest IM movie. RDJ didn't somehow more than double his popularity between IM2 and TA so what happened? More than anything else I believe it was that the GA was sold on the expanded continuity universe concept. It was like they had a collective "Ah, now we get it" moment and it changed movie making in general. And to do that other characters than RDJ as Tony had to have a large hand in that. Even if RDJ was the largest single draw in TA I'd say all the other draws vastly out match him when you put them all together. Thor was a draw there as well and is undoubtedly and even bigger one now. Especially when you add Loki to the mix.

Based on MS's record I have zero doubt that Thor2 will be well received by the GA(comic book fans, who the hell can please them?...are another story altogether). I just don't see any way Thor 2 doesn't at least earn WW what MoS has in the kitty right now(640M-ish).

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I can't wait till November. Thor will obviously surprise some people. Then what?

 

[STARMAN]

Avengers is a family friendly movie. I think that helped IM3. I noticed many more kids in the theater for IM3 than IM1 and 2.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

So I take it that we didn't get an updated world average ?

 

[JangoNate]

But Superman is Superman. Many people know about him. There isn't any bad stigma around Superman to non comic moviegoers other than he is an archetype superhero fantasy character. Gist of the matter Superman doesn't start from zero because his name is already famous from old people to kids. His legacy silver spooned any Superman movies until it gets overexposed.

Now compare Superman with Green Lantern pre 2010 or Iron Man pre 2008. These movie franchises start from zero. One failed, one passed.

Also SR is not an origin, but abject continuation of Donnerverse. This shows that some people don't really attune to an origin story or not. What they care is if the franchise got new actors or heck, new life.

That's what I was saying, though. Everybody knows who Superman is. And though it doesn't start at zero like Iron Man and Green Lantern, most of my general audience friends viewed it as starting with a negative because of the movies that came before. The character was outdated and SR boring to them and so they didn't want to give MOS a chance. The ones that did felt like they could get into this new Superman, though.

Starting fresh with the GA helped Iron Man because it was a great film, but didn't help Green Lantern, because it wasn't. And because IM started fresh for the GA, it's going to make it that much more difficult to replace RDJ because he IS IM to non comic readers.

 

[JangoNate]

So I take it that we didn't get an updated world average ?

I've been wanting to know this, as well.

 

[STARMAN]

DM 2 has left MOS behind.

 

[Sup3rman81]

Does anyone know if they have update the Foreign BO for the weekend? BOMO still has it from last week

 

[JOE]

Is it anywhere close to 700?

 

[Pickle-El]

Is it anywhere close to 700?

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2012.htm

636,000,000 WW as of yesterday. Brazil has already opened (11,325,000 as of 7/21), looks like only Japan left. Will probably fall somewhere around 660,000,000 total when all said and done.

My 300 Dom/400 Int. totals will fall a little short....didn't count on so much competition. There were 2-3 new big releases every week this summer...I'm fatigued (and broke) from all of them, and I love going to the movies in June/July.

 

[Sup3rman81]

DM 2 has left MOS behind.

there was not any doubt that DM2 would not pass MOS. Its a sequel that was highly anticipated. Now that MOS2 has been confirmed, many people will just sit back and wait for the Blu Ray. I hope Japan can push it close/over 700m WW.

 

[Sup3rman81]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2012.htm

636,000,000 WW as of yesterday. Brazil has already opened (11,325,000 as of 7/21), looks like only Japan left. Will probably fall somewhere around 660,000,000 total when all said and done.

My 300 Dom/400 Int. totals will fall a little short....didn't count on so much competition. There were 2-3 new big releases every week this summer...I'm fatigued (and broke) from all of them, and I love going to the movies in June/July.

that number was from last week. I am sure it has done business since then. It should be around 640-645m WW by now and with Japan opening I think it can get past 660m.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

But you just said it wasn't liked before.. now you're saying it was liked?

Hmm... you're a strange one...

I meant it wasn't THAT well liked. Meaning IM/TDKT/Avengers level well liked. It was MOS/TASM level well liked. I used evidence of people who didn't like it to support that.

Lol wut?? thor making 700/750 ww?? no way. Maybe 550/600 IF its good.
RDJ made the IM franchise and was a main draw in Avengers. Chris Hemsworth is no RDJ.
As for wolvie, i'll pass and wait for the DvD. I hated the last one.

Maybe so. But to females, Tom Hiddleston is.

There's a reason TA made $900M more WW than the highest IM movie. RDJ didn't somehow more than double his popularity between IM2 and TA so what happened? More than anything else I believe it was that the GA was sold on the expanded continuity universe concept. It was like they had a collective "Ah, now we get it" moment and it changed movie making in general. And to do that other characters than RDJ as Tony had to have a large hand in that. Even if RDJ was the largest single draw in TA I'd say all the other draws vastly out match him when you put them all together. Thor was a draw there as well and is undoubtedly and even bigger one now. Especially when you add Loki to the mix.

 

[robot]

I said it wasn't THAT well liked. Meaning IM/TDKT/Avengers level well liked. It was MOS/TASM level well liked.
:

I agree it's not as well liked as Avengers (the box office numbers don't lie).

But it's far, far more well liked than MOS for sure... it made almost twice as much... (it has far, far better legs too)

And I can tell you this.. every single one of my friends liked IM3 (myself included), but about half of them didn't care for MOS...

You can look at ANY metrics, and it'll tell you people liked IM3 FAR FAR more than MOS..

That's unfortunate thought, because personally I liked MOS far, far better than IM3... I guess different ppl different tastes..

 

[STARMAN]

I only get the sense that the first Iron Man was really well liked. The 2nd one lived off the reputation of the first. The third one got a boost from Avengers. They're all successful at the box office but only the first one seemed to be well received by most.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I agree it's not as well liked as Avengers (the box office numbers don't lie).

But it's far, far more well liked than MOS for sure... it made almost twice as much... (it has far, far better legs too)

And I can tell you this.. every single one of my friends liked IM3 (myself included), but about half of them didn't care for MOS...

You can look at ANY metrics, and it'll tell you people liked IM3 FAR FAR more than MOS..

That's unfortunate thought, because personally I liked MOS far, far better than IM3... I guess different ppl different tastes..

Metacritic and IMDB do not support that.

It made twice as much as MOS because of THE AVENGERS EFFECT and of course great marketing OS (it made almost as much as TA OS).

Yes every single one of your friends liked IM3 and half didn't care for MOS. Well it's been the opposite for me.
And numbers DO lie. Was Revenge of the Fallen the 4th best received movie of 2009 because of its BO? Or was its success mainly due to its predecessor?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I agree it's not as well liked as Avengers (the box office numbers don't lie).

But it's far, far more well liked than MOS for sure... it made almost twice as much... (it has far, far better legs too)

And I can tell you this.. every single one of my friends liked IM3 (myself included), but about half of them didn't care for MOS...

You can look at ANY metrics, and it'll tell you people liked IM3 FAR FAR more than MOS..

That's unfortunate thought, because personally I liked MOS far, far better than IM3... I guess different ppl different tastes..

O rly? Any metric huh?

Metacritic audience ratings:

MOS - 7.9 (1744 ratings)
IM3 - 6.5 (1207 ratings)

You were saying?

 

[Zeus]

O rly? Any metric huh?

Metacritic audience ratings:

MOS - 7.9 (1744 ratings)
IM3 - 6.5 (1207 ratings)

You were saying?

 

[robot]

O rly? Any metric huh?

Metacritic audience ratings:

MOS - 7.9 (1744 ratings)
IM3 - 6.5 (1207 ratings)

You were saying?

People use RT or Metacritic however it suits them. When MOS ratings were poor, people here were saying 'RT sucks', and now when you want to prove something, you use it..

Less than 1% of the movie going population actually 'votes' on RT... if that's your 'facts', then sure, believe it if you want...

The true numbers whether people liked a movie or not is:

1. Total Box Office numbers (and the higher it is, like being in the top 5, the more accurate it is)... IM3 is at the top 5 highest grossing movies of ALL time,.. it can't simply be explained away by 'oh, ppl didn't really like it that much, but because they liked avengers they went to watch it in droves'.. it requires legs.. ie, strong WOM... to reach that kind of numbers...

2. WOM, and LEGS.. without which, movies can still do something like 500-700M (if the marketing were extremely strong and smart, and if there were a lot of hype going in), but after that, it's all about people going to watch a movie several times, and people dragging their friends to go as well..