Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[John-An]

Hopefully they'd have shortened the fight scenes for more scenes of character development (not saying the two are mutually exclusive) but with nearly 5 minutes for Zod vs Jor-El, 10 minutes for the Smallville fight (from "you think you can threaten my mother!" to "this man is not our enemy"), 10 minutes for Superman battling the world engine (from tendrils to "It's up to you and Hamilton now") and then another 5 minutes bringing down Zod's ship and then 10 minutes for Superman vs Zod. Is it all necessary?

All that fight scenes were incredible.. even the world engine was... THE SMALLVILLE BATTLE OSUTANDING.. ZOD VS JOR-EL (GREAT) and Supes vs Zod and of course Faora vs hardy and his soldiers was great... this movie imo handled even better than the avengers(my second fights scenes favorite) and it was more oustanding and IMO was the best fight scenes i´ve ever seen... but each people has different tastes I´m seeing that now

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'm not saying the fight scenes were not of quality, I just don't think they're necessary, The Dark Knight Rises was over 20 minutes longer than Man of Steel, but had only 3 major fight scenes (Plane heist, sewer fight, city hall fight) totalling about 15 minutes, but consensus shows that The Dark Knight Rises is considered a better film. Because instead of going for just masses of fight scenes, it developed the characters more. Same can be said for it's two predecessors.

 

[Project862006]

batman isn't superman thats like comparing thor to dare devil

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

No it's not. Not even a little bit, because I'm not talking about powerset, but the length of the fights in comparison to the length of the film.

But here's Avengers fight scenes:

Captain America & Iron Man vs Loki (under 2 minutes)
Iron Man vs Thor vs Captain America (4 minutes)
Hulk vs Thor (2 minutes)
Black Widow vs Hawkeye (1 minute)
Battle of New York (20 minutes)

29 minutes for a film the same length as Man of Steel in comparison to Man of Steel's 40 minutes.

 

[dalonewolf]

No it's not. Not even a little bit, because I'm not talking about powerset, but the length of the fights in comparison to the length of the film.

But here's Avengers fight scenes:

Captain America & Iron Man vs Loki (under 2 minutes)
Iron Man vs Thor vs Captain America (4 minutes)
Hulk vs Thor (2 minutes)
Black Widow vs Hawkeye (1 minute)
Battle of New York (20 minutes)

29 minutes for a film the same length as Man of Steel in comparison to Man of Steel's 40 minutes.

Those scenes wasnt even that long

 

[sf2]

Let me ask you guys something, if Warner had cut the budget...let's say between 150-180 mill instead of 225...do you guys think there would have been a significant difference in the final product? Where do you guys think most of that money went into? The battle scenes? Just something I've been thinking about.

Did it include the expenses of the failed attempt? Like they did to SR? It's hard to believe they would allow a budget for a new superman movie more than SR. Since he hasn't been proven a success movie wise.

 

[cronosred]

No it's not. Not even a little bit, because I'm not talking about powerset, but the length of the fights in comparison to the length of the film.

But here's Avengers fight scenes:

Captain America & Iron Man vs Loki (under 2 minutes)
Iron Man vs Thor vs Captain America (4 minutes)
Hulk vs Thor (2 minutes)
Black Widow vs Hawkeye (1 minute)
Battle of New York (20 minutes)

29 minutes for a film the same length as Man of Steel in comparison to Man of Steel's 40 minutes.

You forgot to add in the attacks on SHIELD, one of which the Black Widow vs Hawkeye fight was a part of.

 

[batfreakforever]

Batman will own MOS2.

 

[sf2]

Batman will own MOS2.

Sure he will. That's the whole reason.

 

[dalonewolf]

Sure he will. That's the whole reason.

No Brainiac will own Man Of Steel 2

 

[JKKS085]

Did it include the expenses of the failed attempt? Like they did to SR? It's hard to believe they would allow a budget for a new superman movie more than SR. Since he hasn't been proven a success movie wise.

What failed attempt ? They factored in costs from Superman Lives and Superman Flyby because both films were green-lit and went as far as pre-production stage before being cancelled. That's why SR got an extra 70 millions or so added to its 204 millions pb. I have never heard of anything like that before Man Of Steel's. So even if WB got some other people developping different ideas for a Superman reboot its not like they spent any money on it (or nothing significant anyways).

However if you factor in inflation, Superman Returns budget would sit around 236 millions these days so all in all the film was indeed more expensive than Man Of Steel.

Now as for Man Of Steel's budget, we got numerous reports as late as june 2013 reporting a budget of 175 millions before WB comes with the 225 number. If I had to guess I'd say that the movie got its greenlight with a 175 millions pb and a few budget increases (probably for the VFX) along the way. WB has a long history of movies going over-budget or getting budget increases during production.

 

[Dr.]

What failed attempt ? They factored in costs from Superman Lives and Superman Flyby because both films were green-lit and went as far as pre-production stage before being cancelled. That's why SR got an extra 70 millions or so added to its 204 millions pb. I have never heard of anything like that before Man Of Steel's.

I’m not an accountant... but I have doubts that expenditures from aborted projects get tacked onto the official production budgets of different movies. It’s fairly common (for instance) for studios to hire a six-figure screenwriter to create a script for a movie that’s never filmed. Clearly, this outlay has to get recorded on the books somewhere as a “write-off” (maybe as a “capital expense” or “research & development,” etc.). So the same thing, it seems to me, would have been done for Superman Lives and Flyby. But even if SR had to absorb those costs, that’s (as you say) where the losses would have been recorded. MOS is free and clear.

 

[kalelvis]

What failed attempt ? They factored in costs from Superman Lives and Superman Flyby because both films were green-lit and went as far as pre-production stage before being cancelled. That's why SR got an extra 70 millions or so added to its 204 millions pb. I have never heard of anything like that before Man Of Steel's. So even if WB got some other people developping different ideas for a Superman reboot its not like they spent any money on it (or nothing significant anyways).

However if you factor in inflation, Superman Returns budget would sit around 236 millions these days so all in all the film was indeed more expensive than Man Of Steel.

Now as for Man Of Steel's budget, we got numerous reports as late as june 2013 reporting a budget of 175 millions before WB comes with the 225 number. If I had to guess I'd say that the movie got its greenlight with a 175 millions pb and a few budget increases (probably for the VFX) along the way. WB has a long history of movies going over-budget or getting budget increases during production.

I think we can piece together what happened to the MOS budget pretty easily and it ties directly to the most controversial part of the movie. It was widely reported that Snyder came up with a new action scene that he had to get approved by WB. It is also known that Snyder convinced Goyer and together they convinced Nolan that Superman have to kill Zod. So, at least part of the bump in budget was to pay to extend the final fight scene.

Just like SR there is some big budget waste as well. SR had the entire "return to Krypton" scene produced but it went unused in the movie. Form the behind scenes clips and picture, it is clear that the shot a for more extensive Oil Rig scene and that scene was edited down to the very short 3 shot scene that made the final film.

SvB should have a far more controlled budget because there is no Krypton to rebuild. I doubt we will see any city wide destruction in the sequel either; first, they already did that in the first movie and second the backlash was horrible (and in my opinion undeserved).

 

[Dr.]

I think we can piece together what happened to the MOS budget pretty easily and it ties directly to the most controversial part of the movie. It was widely reported that Snyder came up with a new action scene that he had to get approved by WB. It is also known that Snyder convinced Goyer and together they convinced Nolan that Superman have to kill Zod. So, at least part of the bump in budget was to pay to extend the final fight scene.

It seems to be the case that in earlier drafts of the script, Superman dispatched Zod in some non-lethal fashion (presumably, via the “phantom zone” - the fate that befell Faora and others.). But one way or another, a dramatic scene of the villain’s defeat had to take place. And it’s not obvious to me that the revised version would have been any more expensive than the original. (Indeed, a brief mano-a-mano culminating in a headlock was probably cheaper than another aerial battle over the PZ entrance.)

 

[JKKS085]

I think we can piece together what happened to the MOS budget pretty easily and it ties directly to the most controversial part of the movie. It was widely reported that Snyder came up with a new action scene that he had to get approved by WB. It is also known that Snyder convinced Goyer and together they convinced Nolan that Superman have to kill Zod. So, at least part of the bump in budget was to pay to extend the final fight scene.

Just like SR there is some big budget waste as well. SR had the entire "return to Krypton" scene produced but it went unused in the movie. Form the behind scenes clips and picture, it is clear that the shot a for more extensive Oil Rig scene and that scene was edited down to the very short 3 shot scene that made the final film.

SvB should have a far more controlled budget because there is no Krypton to rebuild. I doubt we will see any city wide destruction in the sequel either; first, they already did that in the first movie and second the backlash was horrible (and in my opinion undeserved).

Maybe it indeed has something to do with the rewrites of the third act. There is a strong possibility that they decided to extend its lenght/scope during production (and that would also explain why it doesn't flow well with the rest of the story IMO). But Dr. points out something quite interesting as we don't really know wich version of Zod's fate was less expensive to craft so it possibly have something to do with the all scope of the final battle.

As for SvB, I don't know. WB knows that they have a billion dollar hit on their hands (unless the film turns out to be truly terrible). I don't see them taking lower financial risks than what they took on Man Of Steel or even Green Lantern. I think that at the very least we won't see any budget increase but I can see them going as far as spending the same amount they spent on The Dark Knight Rises (i.e. 250 millions).

 

[kalelvis]

It seems to be the case that in earlier drafts of the script, Superman dispatched Zod in some non-lethal fashion (presumably, via the “phantom zone” - the fate that befell Faora and others.). But one way or another, a dramatic scene of the villain’s defeat had to take place. And it’s not obvious to me that the revised version would have been any more expensive than the original. (Indeed, a brief mano-a-mano culminating in a headlock was probably cheaper than another aerial battle over the PZ entrance.)

There was a report before the movie came out that Snyder came up with a new action scene that had required a bump in the budget. It was only after the movie came out that we learned that Snyder and Goyer had to convince Nolan to let them kill Zod. To me those two stories add up to what I wrote in the earlier post. So, it wasn't my assumption that Zod's death was the cause for the bump in the budget. I was only making the connection between the two stories.

It is possible the new action scene proposed by Snyder was the World Engine battle, in which I would have rather seen more kryptonian fisticuffs.

Hopefully we will learn more of the production details on the blu ray.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

You forgot to add in the attacks on SHIELD, one of which the Black Widow vs Hawkeye fight was a part of.

I don't consider that a fight scene, so much as a general action scene, which is why the oil rig and school bus, and Jor-El pursuing the Codex and fighting Zod's men aren't listed amongst Man of Steel's fights.

 

[ModernClarkKent]

61K weekend = past the 291 million part, down to 91 theatres though now

 

[dalonewolf]

61K weekend = past the 291 million part, down to 91 theatres though now

Its ok by this time 2 years form now SvB will be in the history books and still gaining

 

[John-An]

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[JKKS085]

Its ok by this time 2 years form now SvB will be in the history books and still gaining

Well according to WB's CEO, so far it's Batman Vs Superman, not Superman Vs Batman (so much for the Superman movie featuring Batman) and history is still to be written on the box office front.

There's plenty reason to be reasonably satisfied with MoS' numbers so really no need to resort to a crystal ball to be happy about Superman's performances.

 

[dalonewolf]

Well according to WB's CEO, so far it's Batman Vs Superman, not Superman Vs Batman (so much for the Superman movie featuring Batman) and history is still to be written on the box office front.

There's plenty reason to be reasonably satisfied with MoS' numbers so really no need to resort to a crystal ball to be happy about Superman's performances.

Form my understanding the name thats second is the home team the name that's first is the challenger

 

[dalonewolf]

Well according to WB's CEO, so far it's Batman Vs Superman, not Superman Vs Batman (so much for the Superman movie featuring Batman) and history is still to be written on the box office front.

There's plenty reason to be reasonably satisfied with MoS' numbers so really no need to resort to a crystal ball to be happy about Superman's performances.

Im not looking forward to batman/superman to a sequel but a start of the dc cbm universe most of you missed the reason of the team up its to set up the justice league
many people are crying about a proper sequel but I'm like most comic book fans I love the ideal only because I've been waiting my whole life for this and what I mean by this is
WB/DC finally got the balls to pursue a shared universe and stop listing to those critics who said a JL movie wouldn't work and it's about time we as fans gotten something different instead of the same whole things we have had 7 batman movies 6 superman movies 1 green lantern 1 jonah hex wheres the rest of the characters form my understanding DC has thousands but somehow we only really have superman and batman after this team up Wb/Dc will ve going all out.
and thats the picture I get form making the move they have made with the BvS

 

[sf2]

I think MOS did great with the box office number. Consider Superman was not a proven successful franchise. Henry was out of job for 2 years after he has done MOS as people has no confidence in superman movie.

 

[Greeneyes]

I think MOS did great with the box office number. Consider Superman was not a proven successful franchise. Henry was out of job for 2 years after he has done MOS as people has no confidence in superman movie.

What? I'm sure Henry has had quite a few scripts and offers but he didn't like them, he was also waiting for confirmation on whether he would be back as Superman again.

He's doing man from uncle now as it's what he wants to do,ie a decent sized movie and role that fits his character well and will look good on his filmography,especially when he goes for Bond again in the future, and it fits into the Supes Bats filming schedule.