Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Ms. Marvel]

People use RT or Metacritic however it suits them. When MOS ratings were poor, people here were saying 'RT sucks', and now when you want to prove something, you use it..

Less than 1% of the movie going population actually 'votes' on RT... if that's your 'facts', then sure, believe it if you want...

The true numbers whether people liked a movie or not is:

1. Total Box Office numbers (and the higher it is, like being in the top 5, the more accurate it is)... IM3 is at the top 5 highest grossing movies of ALL time,.. it can't simply be explained away by 'oh, ppl didn't really like it that much, but because they liked avengers they went to watch it in droves'.. it requires legs.. ie, strong WOM... to reach that kind of numbers...

2. WOM, and LEGS.. without which, movies can still do something like 500-700M, but after that, it's all about people going to watch a movie several times, and people dragging their friends to go as well..

Okay then.

 

[robot]

Okay then.

Right

 

[FlawlessVictory]

^You said any metric and I proved you wrong and now you are backtracking by basically dismissing those sites. Ok, whatever suits you.

So the true numbers of a how much a movie is liked is just box office? Funny thing, I could swear a lot of people like Fight Club. That movie must have been a big hit...

 

[John-An]

I agree it's not as well liked as Avengers (the box office numbers don't lie).

But it's far, far more well liked than MOS for sure... it made almost twice as much... (it has far, far better legs too)

And I can tell you this.. every single one of my friends liked IM3 (myself included), but about half of them didn't care for MOS...

You can look at ANY metrics, and it'll tell you people liked IM3 FAR FAR more than MOS..

That's unfortunate thought, because personally I liked MOS far, far better than IM3... I guess different ppl different tastes..

The box office gives you who liked and who didn't? LOL how about spiderman 3? It was hated but his numbers are with a very loveable movie according to their perspectives...
MOS was liked far away than IM3... in one poll in cmb MOS pulverized the voting over IM3... and yeah I didn't likeTony Stark 3 (a silly movie that disrespects the character) ALL MY FRIENDS HATED THAT MOVIE and loved MOS so....
you can't compare the taste of Avengers with MOS (cause Avengers has 8 movies before) you can compare it in the future with WF or with JL... MOS was liked more than ASM (with a simple story and not superior to the Rami Saga 1 and 2) was not well received.. BO doesn't give you if they liked or not.....

 

[robot]

^You said any metric and I proved you wrong and now you are backtracking by basically dismissing those sites. Ok, whatever suits you.

So the true numbers of a how much a movie is liked is just box office? Funny thing, I could swear a lot of people like Fight Club. That movie must have been a big hit...

People who watched Fight Club are people who liked that genre of films.. it does not necessarily appeal to the GA..

I am talking about movies that have universal appeals... You can have every who watch a movie give it a 10/10, and it ends up winning oscars, but does not necessarily appeal to everyone..

IM3 appeals to MOST of the GA.. that's why it did 1.2B...

Avengers appeals to MOST of the GA, that's why it did 2.7B

The numbers don't lie... you can spin it all you want....

 

[robot]

The box office gives you who liked an who didn't? LOL how about spiderman 3? It was hated but his numbers are with a very loveable movie according to their perspectives...
MOS was liked far away than IM3... in one poll in cmb MOS pulverized the voting over IM3... and yeah I didn't likeTony Stark 3 (a silly movie that disrespects the character) ALL MY FRIENDS HATED THAT MOVIE and loved MOS so....
you can't compare the taste of Avengers with MOS (cause Avengers has 8 movies before) you can compare it in the future with WF or with JL... MOS was liked more than ASM (with a simple story and not superior to the Rami Saga 1 and 2) was not well received.. BO doesn't give you if they liked or not.....

Again, you're only talking about opinions.. and some online polls... which is NOT an accurate way to measure anything... if it were, companies will not pay tons of money for 'real survey companies' that actually get a proper 'population' in their polling...

And yes, Box Office numbers are a far, far more accurate way to measure if a movie appeals to the GA or not... they vote by buying tickets...

 

[Ms. Marvel]

People who watched Fight Club are people who liked that genre of films.. it does not necessarily appeal to the GA..

I am talking about movies that have universal appeals... You can have every who watch a movie give it a 10/10, and it ends up winning oscars, but does not necessarily appeal to everyone..

IM3 appeals to MOST of the GA.. that's why it did 1.2B...

Avengers appeals to MOST of the GA, that's why it did 2.7B

The numbers don't lie... you can spin it all you want....

Nope.

 

[John-An]

People use RT or Metacritic however it suits them. When MOS ratings were poor, people here were saying 'RT sucks', and now when you want to prove something, you use it..

Less than 1% of the movie going population actually 'votes' on RT... if that's your 'facts', then sure, believe it if you want...

The true numbers whether people liked a movie or not is:

1. Total Box Office numbers (and the higher it is, like being in the top 5, the more accurate it is)... IM3 is at the top 5 highest grossing movies of ALL time,.. it can't simply be explained away by 'oh, ppl didn't really like it that much, but because they liked avengers they went to watch it in droves'.. it requires legs.. ie, strong WOM... to reach that kind of numbers...

2. WOM, and LEGS.. without which, movies can still do something like 500-700M (if the marketing were extremely strong and smart, and if there were a lot of hype going in), but after that, it's all about people going to watch a movie several times, and people dragging their friends to go as well..

He´s giving you a not RT score... so it's pretty weird that critics one week before MU release? coincidence? even the person in charge of RT saw this pretty weird and well..... the example I can tell you are Transformers 2 and Spiderman 3.. were good? did the people liked? so your perspective is nosense

 

[FlawlessVictory]

People who watched Fight Club are people who liked that genre of films.. it does not necessarily appeal to the GA..

I am talking about movies that have universal appeals... You can have every who watch a movie give it a 10/10, and it ends up winning oscars, but does not necessarily appeal to everyone..

IM3 appeals to MOST of the GA.. that's why it did 1.2B...

Avengers appeals to MOST of the GA, that's why it did 2.7B

The numbers don't lie... you can spin it all you want....

Numbers don't lie. So that means most people really liked Spider-Man 3. Got it.

 

[STARMAN]

I've said this before. I'm more impressed with the box office success of the first Iron Man than anything else.

 

[robot]

Numbers don't lie. So that means most people really liked Spider-Man 3. Got it.

Well, if it made that much money, then sure, it have the appeal... just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean others don't...

Like I said, people here seems to think 'what they or their friends like' translate to 'what everyone likes'...

BTW: I liked all the spiderman movies... including the new amazing spiderman...

 

[robot]

I've said this before. I'm more impressed with the box office success of the first Iron Man than anything else.

IM1 is truly amazing...

I also liked the first Captain America...

I think origin movies are the best because you haven't seen it yet...

 

[John-An]

Again, you're only talking about opinions.. and some online polls... which is NOT an accurate way to measure anything... if it were, companies will not pay tons of money for 'real survey companies' that actually get a proper 'population' in their polling...

And yes, Box Office numbers are a far, far more accurate way to measure if a movie appeals to the GA or not... they vote by buying tickets...

You're saying that IM3 according to opinions from your friends and BO was more loveable... so I answer you with the same... people's vote.... if you buy a ticket doesn't mean that you like.. you're gonna see the movie and then judge it.. so yout argument is not valid... and again if the tickets were a factor Twiligt, Transformers 2, Spiderman 3 were loved by a lot of people t:

 

[Ms. Marvel]

IM3 did as well as it did because after TA people wanted to know what was next for IM. It doesn't matter if the WOM was just good or great. It was going to make a lot of money anyway.

I'm not saying it wasn't a well liked movie, but the BO numbers do not indicate that it's a well loved movie.

 

[robot]

You're saying that IM3 according to opinions from your friends and BO was more loveable... so I answer you with the same... the people vote.... if you buy a ticket doesn't mean that you like.. you're gonna see the movie and then judge it.. so yout argument is not valid... and again if the tickets were a factor Twiligt, Transformers 2, Spiderman 3 were loved by a lot of people t:

You're just going around and around...

I said, if a movie is at almost ALL TIME highest grossing, then saying that ppl didn't like it just doesn't make sense to me...

According to your logic that IM3's success is entirely because of Avengers, and that ppl didn't like it that much, then what would have happend is that it would have tanked the 2nd week out.. due to lots of 'bad wom'.. but that didn't happen.. in fact, it got a lot of good WOM... Like i said, no movies can get to 1.2B without ppl liking it.. and liking it enough to watch it several times and dragging their friends to it...If you think otherwise, then all the more power to you... I am not going to argue the case with you anymore...

And believe it or not, Twilight, Transformers 2 and Spiderman 3 are still liked by the GA (regardless of what you might think of them). Twilight probably appeal the the female GA...

 

[kalelvis]

I think the key factor to the success of IM3 is its humor. That is what is highlighted in most reviews and by about everyone I talked to. As it turns out the GA prefers a lot of laughs to a good story. I feel this is evident as well in the success of DM2 compared to MU as well.

God, I hope that the team on MoS2 doesn't get so caught up it making the GA happy that they load the movie with ridiculous oneliners and prat falls to match IM3.

 

[robot]

IM3 did as well as it did because after TA people wanted to know what was next for IM. It doesn't matter if the WOM was just good or great. It was going to make a lot of money anyway.

I'm not saying it wasn't a well liked movie, but the BO numbers do not indicate that it's a well loved movie.

And I already said I agree with you on the 'liked' and 'loved'... No, ppl didn't LOVED IM3, but they liked it enough to go watch it several times and also to tell their friends...

The idea that all of it's success is due to TA alone is preposterous...

If that's your logic, then let's see if Thor 2 will get to 1.2 B.. (remember, you said ppl wanted to know what happened next after TA to the other super-heroes)

Also, IM3 have nothing to do with 'TA'.. it was a standalone movie pretty much.. and if all people wanted to see was a continuation of TA, then within the first few days of release, the word woudl have gone out, and others woudl have skipped it altogether..

 

[STARMAN]

Iron Man 2 suffered from WOM. It opened much higher than Iron Man 1 but finished with less money. It relied on the success of Iron Man 1 but squandered it some. The Avengers gave Iron Man 3 back some of the momentum it lost with Iron Man 2.

 

[robot]

I think the key factor to the success of IM3 is its humor. That is what is highlighted in most reviews and by about everyone I talked to. As it turns out the GA prefers a lot of laughs to a good story. I feel this is evident as well in the success of DM2 compared to MU as well.

God, I hope that the team on MoS2 doesn't get so caught up it making the GA happy that they load the movie with ridiculous oneliners and prat falls to match IM3.

This was my point all along..

IM3 transformed itself into an 'action comedy' and that appeals to the GA, who don't give that much of a crap about 'dark, gloomy movies'... (with the batman exception).

This was evident with Fast 6 as well.. they too transformed themselves into an Action Comedy.. In fact, that's the appeal of Avengers as well.. it was full of humor...

Action Comedy is what's appealing to the GA nowadays.. that might change,.. but for now, that's it...

 

[robot]

Iron Man 2 suffered from WOM. It opened much higher than Iron Man 1 but finished with less money. It relied on the success of Iron Man 1 but squandered it some. The Avengers gave Iron Man 3 back some of the momentum it lost with Iron Man 2.

Right.. and if ppl didn't like IM3, then no matter what boost it got from TA, would have evaporated 2nd week out... it stood by it's own merits pretty much..

 

[STARMAN]

Like I previously said. I think the Avengers expanded the family audience for Iron Man 3. I saw many more kids watching Iron Man 3 than the previous installments. IM 3 was very successful. There's no arguing that.

 

[John-An]

You're just going around and around...

I said, if a movie is at almost ALL TIME highest grossing, then saying that ppl didn't like it just doesn't make sense to me...

According to your logic that IM3's success is entirely because of Avengers, and that ppl didn't like it that much, then what would have happend is that it would have tanked the 2nd week out.. due to lots of 'bad wom'.. but that didn't happen.. in fact, it got a lot of good WOM... Like i said, no movies can get to 1.2B without ppl liking it.. and liking it enough to watch it several times and dragging their friends to it...If you think otherwise, then all the more power to you... I am not going to argue the case with you anymore...

And believe it or not, Twilight, Transformers 2 and Spiderman 3 are still liked by the GA (regardless of what you might think of them). Twilight probably appeal the the female GA...

You answered yourself... Avengers made the IM3 success... well according to you people got it to see it twice? how do you know? is new people or kids who take the WOM... but fans and GA that are familiarized with comics didn't love IM3 and didn't loved more than MOS... many people hated the Tony Stark 3...
the last thing you said is pure nosense (not all the FEMALE GA liked twilight... some think that is nothing to do with the book so.....)how Spiderman 3 is liked if they rebooted the Spidey franchise that means SM3 killed the saga and it was "B.O. success"... and Transformers 2 was not liked as TF1 and TF3 however TF2 made more money than TF1 so again numbers not always tell us the true...

 

[John-An]

Like I previously said. I think the Avengers expanded the family audience for Iron Man 3. I saw many more kids watching Iron Man 3 than the previous installments. IM 3 was very successful. There's no arguing that.

It was successfull.. but is not the same as loved or liked... I agree with you

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Like I previously said. I think the Avengers expanded the family audience for Iron Man 3. I saw many more kids watching Iron Man 3 than the previous installments. IM 3 was very successful. There's no arguing that.

No doubt. But the debate was which was liked more, MOS or IM3 and Robot's defense was that it is IM3 because it made more money. I don't think it's that simple. I would like to argue between the people that saw Pacific Rim and IM3 that these same people liked PR more. But Robot will just say to look at the BO numbers. That just indicates to me that more people went to see the movie, not that people liked IM3 more than PR.

 

[GreenKToo]

There's a reason TA made $900M more WW than the highest IM movie. RDJ didn't somehow more than double his popularity between IM2 and TA so what happened? More than anything else I believe it was that the GA was sold on the expanded continuity universe concept. It was like they had a collective "Ah, now we get it" moment and it changed movie making in general. And to do that other characters than RDJ as Tony had to have a large hand in that. Even if RDJ was the largest single draw in TA I'd say all the other draws vastly out match him when you put them all together. Thor was a draw there as well and is undoubtedly and even bigger one now. Especially when you add Loki to the mix.

Based on MS's record I have zero doubt that Thor2 will be well received by the GA(comic book fans, who the hell can please them?...are another story altogether). I just don't see any way Thor 2 doesn't at least earn WW what MoS has in the kitty right now(640M-ish).

Let me ask you this..If you take IM and RDJ out of the Avengers, and add in say antman or quicksilver in his place, with someone relatively unknown in the role, would Avengers still have made what it did?? even close?
Lots went to see it Because he was in it. sure it would have still made good money without him, but I dont think you would have seen a billion.