Activities on the sequel? I hate it. It is suppose to be MOS sequel. But the spotlight is all on batman now. So pissed off.
50M for Bale to return... WTH!!!
Will it still be a superman movie???!!!
Or superman is the supporting role now!!!???
Madness!!!!!!
I haven't heard (and can't really find anything about 50 million for Bale to return.) Warner's will want to try to cut costs and I can't imagine them wanting to spend a forth of the budget for one actor.
Most of the talk about Batman is coming from fan speculation. Really there isn't much news about anything with this movie yet so i feel there is great potential for people start getting excited when the news does start trickling out.
I remember when the pic hit of Cavil in costume in front of the safe and people were debating everything from his hair to did he have trunks or not, now it is pretty much accepted as a pretty iconic image.
Imagine if the first picture from the sequel is Clark Kent interviewing Bruce Wayne....that to me will be thrilling.
I do completely understand the wish for a great MoS solo sequel but I do think that all the things I want to see (Clark as a reporter, Clark and Lois establishing their banter at the Planet, Superman struggling with what happened in the battle, Lex coming off as a good guy until the truth is revealed) all happening in a movie with Batman in it.
Is there the potential for the filmmakers to screw the pooch, yes with every movie....but if they nail it, it will the wish fulfillment of a billion comic book nerds.
Something to consider is that they are borrowing quite a bit from Byrne's MoS miniseries as well as some of the other sources often listed (Birthright, etc). The entire third issue was spent with Superman and Batman dealing with each other, because in the DCU the relationship between these two characters is monumental. It has to be that way in the DCCU as well or Justice League will never work.
It's on the net everywhere.
Worse, they r consulting Frank Miller who disliked superman and did him dumb and weak.
I haven't heard (and can't really find anything about 50 million for Bale to return.) Warner's will want to try to cut costs and I can't imagine them wanting to spend a forth of the budget for one actor.
Most of the talk about Batman is coming from fan speculation. Really there isn't much news about anything with this movie yet so i feel there is great potential for people start getting excited when the news does start trickling out.
I remember when the pic hit of Cavil in costume in front of the safe and people were debating everything from his hair to did he have trunks or not, now it is pretty much accepted as a pretty iconic image.
Imagine if the first picture from the sequel is Clark Kent interviewing Bruce Wayne....that to me will be thrilling.
I do completely understand the wish for a great MoS solo sequel but I do think that all the things I want to see (Clark as a reporter, Clark and Lois establishing their banter at the Planet, Superman struggling with what happened in the battle, Lex coming off as a good guy until the truth is revealed) all happening in a movie with Batman in it.
Is there the potential for the filmmakers to screw the pooch, yes with every movie....but if they nail it, it will the wish fulfillment of a billion comic book nerds.
Something to consider is that they are borrowing quite a bit from Byrne's MoS miniseries as well as some of the other sources often listed (Birthright, etc). The entire third issue was spent with Superman and Batman dealing with each other, because in the DCU the relationship between these two characters is monumental. It has to be that way in the DCCU as well or Justice League will never work.
And of course everything on the net is true! I think from a business standpoint, luring Bale back to reprise the TDK role for MOS2 with $15-20 million and points on the back end, has the potential to be a B.O. Bonanza. Casting someone else in the role guarantees nothing unless it is stunt casting by going with a Dicaprio, Depp, or some other big name who can get butts in seats. I don't want to see that happen and I'm hoping they wave lots of money in Bale's face to where he'd be a fool to decline the offer. He's been very good for WB bottom line, and IMO he is totally worth it in the same way RDJ was worth paying $50 million+ for Disney/Marvel in TA. Btw for those saying $50 million is to much consider that without Bale MOS2 could make $800- $900 million but with him it could break a billion then that $50 million is money well spent. If he gets points on the back end based on B.O. receipts then WB is not risking a lot if the movie underperformed
A book was recently published saying Bale...could easily make $50 million from the role...
However, there is nothing to substantiate it.
It's on the net everywhere.
Worse, they r consulting Frank Miller who disliked superman and did him dumb and weak.
I'm betting wb is kicking themselves for making TDKR so close ended, and for making it darn near impossible for other heroes to exist in that universe. I figured it would bite them in the butt down the road.
Seriously, if you had that batman reappear and have him suddenly meeting superman, with possible references to other heroes, it would be laughable.
i think other people have covered the 50 million for Bale issue pretty well. i looked for any sort of official offer (variety, etc) and there is nothing to substantiate any offer by the studio or interest by Bale.
I agree that Miller doesn't have a good grasp on Superman, but he pretty much set the standard for all Batman interpretations that followed his work on Year one and TDKR.
If Snyder is gong to him for insight into Batman, then that is good news, I think Snyder and Goyer have clearly established their Superman and would have to undo a lot of the work they did in MoS to make it align with Miller's visions of Superman.
So, as I stated earlier, I agree with your concern but I do see room for a lot of hope for a great movie.
I'm saying, had it been a better/better received/more broadly appealing film (strike out what does not apply), it would have kept its screens despite new releases. It's not rocket science, if the demand stood at a higher level it wouldn't have lost so many screens to the competition, especially that fast.
However, it's now clear that WB is not exactly happy with how things turned out and they are more inclined to build upon and use what MoS created to expand their universe instead of giving it proper sequel (and I regret that despite the fact that I'm extremely excited by their Batman/Superman film).
The point is every movie faces competition during summer. There is no such thing as a safe spot.
MoS being more broadly appealing/better received it would have at least limited the damages instead of just tanking during its second week end. For instance Iron Man (wich was a second tier player before his movie unlike let's say ... Superman) eased 35,8% the week end Indiana Jones 4 was released after holding great two week ends in a row.
The competition is definitely not an excuse. There are new releases every week and every single movie has to face this kind of challenge. I just hate when people use WWZ and MU as an excuse for MoS weak legs.
Cavill didn't rise to the occasion so much that they are bringing him back to stand alongside Amy Adams, Diane Lane and Laurence Fishbourne, directed by Zack Snyder and written by David S. Goyer.
Tell me, Tobias, since we are by all accounts assuming according to your post, can Superman/Batman/WF/MOS2 still considered NOT to be a sequel if they do indeed follow-up the aftermath of MOS?
Lex Luthor is rumored to be cast and the MOS team is returning, Cavill included.
Is it possible we would be getting the continuation of MOS with Bruce written into the script, or does the presence of Batman make it a non-sequel even if they continue Superman's story?
You have a lot to play with from now until the title of the film or when more information is released. Looking forward to seeing how you bend your assumptions to form your own reality.
Also, why in Gods name would WB pit a new Batman with such a disappointing Superman in Man of Steel just to reintroduce his franchise? Wouldn't they just...............reboot Batman altogether for a standalone reboot and save Superman for JL (as your post up top suggests)?
BEND TIME!
Who knows, I think its a case where WB may feel they need Batman in the next film for it to make more than MOS. There is that Tomb Raiders syndrome and WB may have feared a stand-alone MOS sequel would fall victim to it.
The question is what happens after the next film?
Safe bet the focus turns to re-launching stand-alone Batman films
Will Cavill star in a stand-alone Superman film again - its not a certainty.
As to bringing the same team back yes and its a worry.
Cavill just is not a solid actor and if they were to bring in a Bale-like actor Cavill's Superman will, I'm afraid, lose out in common scenes.
Cavill did not capture the public's imagination in the role as Reeve did. It would be a bit much to recast yet again after having recast the previous Supes actor.
Not just Cavill. The script was poor, pacing bad and dialog not good.
The critics were right.
Argue all you want as to what this means
but it is a first that a sequel to a comic book film features a more popular character than the main character in the first film.
So now it is a MOS sequel....just not a "standalone" one? What if, by some chance, even with this new Batman making the appearance in MOS2, that it still combats with the Tomb Raider sydrome? Is this new Batman that much of a guarantee? I think not.
I think it's the other way around. I believe MOS hit the mark, which allowed WB to bring back Batman at the right time and allow audiences to embrace a new Batman alongside the new and improved Superman MOS franchise. This is STILL MOS's world, NOT Batman's.
I don't know, you tell me. I can GUESS that spinoffs such as WW or other solo films like the Flash/Aquman cross-overs will set up JL, which is the plan in the end anyhow.
Judging by what? The already success's of Superman/Batman that doesn't even exist? So you're telling me that the success's of MOS2 will lead into solo Bat films, but NOT Superman? Haha. Typical.
Not sure what IS a certainty at this point. All I know, is what IS a certainty. And the certainty IS, is that we have our new generation Superman with Henry Cavill returning. So much emphasis on a Batman that isn't even cast yet. Just goes to show the haters for MOS. It defiantly shows.
WB seems not to worry. Afterall, they are bringing back a cast and team that disappointed them SO, SO much..
Where you getting this from? WB's letter in reply?
Where are you getting this from? WB's letter in reply? IF Cavill's performance was SO BAD, then why does MOS hold a strong audience ratings and WB is bringing this disappointing Superman back to stand alongside this...I guess already, successful Batman...that's not even cast yet?
Oh, now it's NOT just Cavill's God awful, disappointing performance that didn't capture the audiences eye....
Must be. And they were right about Superman Returns as well as they are STILL awaiting that sequel....
I don't need to argue. I got all your assumptions to go off of. Must be true.
So now it is a sequel? Make up your assumption and stick with it...
is it a sequel to MOS or not?
Its likely not a sequel and especially given the big-name actors being rumored to play Batman.
In the end it may well turn out to be a Batman film with Superman in it. No matter what it is called. Consulting with Miller is not a good sign if one wants a Superman-centric film.
Bringing the whole team back is odd
but just as odd is a director publicly criticizing a studio as Snyder has done WB. Real tensions between the two apparently.
Let me see - oh yeah, Singer did the same after SR and when an SR2 sequel was supposedly in the works.
Maybe one reason Robinov was let go earlier this summer.
And too, WB was expected to announce more than just one film. Nothing in 2014 and perhaps not 2016. Did MOS's very poor legs scare them off on other stand-a-lone films like Flash?
Frankly I'd like to see Snyder gone and moreso Goyer.
Okay, so it isn't a sequel now. Gotchya. For all we know, rumors are the new truth if logic serves its purpose in this thread.
It may. Or, it may be a Superman film with Batman in it with the mind to branch off to bigger and better things....
Why is it odd to you? Probably because this could be a continuation of MOS, one option to where you refuse to believe in. That's why it's odd..
Talk about a statement being blown WAY out of proportion. But, I can see a fanboy running away with THAT one. Yes, Snyder and WB must of choked each other out many of times during this ongoing battle of hatred between the two camps, so much, that they ALL return.
The disappointing Henry Cavill from Man of Steel will be featured in more Superman movies than Brandon Routh from Superman Returns. Again, those "right" critics are STILL awaiting SR2.
So I guess that's really irrelevant. The numbers he plucked from thin air was NEVER..EVER going to happen. MOS brought in the numbers WB was expecting.
WB gave the greenlight to feature The Flash T.V series with the success's of Green Arrow. Not too long ago, Cavill posed with a picture of the actor for GA and the rumor has it that WB and their successful T.V franchise's could indeed crossover for the first time ever. So, yeah, there's your Flash announcement, who we could VERY well see turn into the big-screen in future investments.
Not happening. Sorry your letter didn't pan out.
Yes, it seems for the next years TV will be the focus for DC characters and not films. Other than Batman and team-ups - pending on how well this next film does.
I've heard CW is considering a WW series too.
The Flash announcement was a disappointment to me as I wanted a Flash film in the next few years. Not likely now.
As to MOS, WB looks at the holds/drops. MOS had very poor legs along the lines of GL.
That drove the change of direction away from another stand-alone Superman film IMO.
It was apparently sudden and Snyder is not happy with it.
I'd expect a focus on a stand-alone Batman for maybe as early as 2017 and maybe a second Bats and then, with the TV series and all, a JL film. 2020, 2021? Cavill finishing out his run in that film I suppose.
I'm sure it will do fine and if it is the huge success it's predicted to be, then I'm SURE we'll be getting more solo movies heading into Justice League. I like this approach.
We're gearing up to line our ducks in a row for the eventual Justice League, which who's to say solo films may not follow after JL as well, like a WW or Aqua Man? MOS was the groundwork to the universe; Superman/Batman is the beginning to the shared blue-print.
It will be likely if A.) It's as popular as the Green Arrow T.V series and B.) Superman/Batman does big.
It had such poor legs that the film is going to flirt with the $650 million dollar benchmark WW. What was GL's again?
Cavill, along with Snyder confirming the Bat Easter Egg, sure did talk about the Bats way before MOS was even released in interviews, plugs and such. The logic was talked about and there to support a WF was in the works ALL ALONG.
Yeah, his annoucment at SDCC seemed miserable. So miserable that the crowd didn't make a peep when the annoucement was made. Oh, wait.
Haha, no f'n way we will get a JL in 2021. You think they're going to wait 8 long years to get JL off the ground when Marvel will already be 2 Avengers, maybe more, in?
Yeah, dude. I don't think so. We'll see JL by 2017 and who knows, maybe another Superman solo film in the mix to go along with the DCU since Superman IS a key holder to the team.
Not a bad weekend for Man of Steel getting some more theatres --- and look it topped World War Z for the first time![]()
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