The Amazing Spider-Man Marc Webb to return?

[rayc1971]

There is a new rumor now that Les Wiseman is to direct the sequel.

really webb is out? if wiseman does spiderman sequel bad choice

 

[LegendAssemble]

really webb is out? if wiseman does spiderman sequel bad choice

This would be unfortunate. Something did not work with AMS which is why it's so forgettable, but the problem was with the incompetent script. Webb was the only reason the film was at all enjoyable. It was way too messy and didn't have any scenes that really resinated with you.

Batman Begins we had the moment when Alfred asks Bruce "why do we fall?" mirroring his fathers line in the beginning of the film. In SM1 we are told it's the story about a girl and we feel for Peter when he has to accept the responsibility and give up the girl.

The problem with this movie was that everything felt like it just happened. We start off with his parents then theres no pay off. The scene that really resinated with me was when Cpt Stacy sees Peter is Spider-Man as its the climax of his arc (one of the only arcs that was fulfilled).

We don't need to lose Marc Webb, the action wasn't bad because of him, the action was bad because it didn't serve the story the way it should have. We got new writers now we just need to tell Fox to let him have his chance!

 

[Picard Sisko]

really webb is out? if wiseman does spiderman sequel bad choice

Its just a rumor.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I liked Total Recall...

I've been hearing some bad vibes regarding the reboot. My friend saw it last night and told me the only thing worthwhile was Beckinsale...but I would have predicted that already, haha.

Is Underworld really considered a hit though?

The first and Evolution were phenomenal films.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I've been hearing some bad vibes regarding the reboot. My friend saw it last night and told me the only thing worthwhile was Beckinsale...but I would have predicted that already, haha.

How about Jessica Biel? lol

The first and Evolution were phenomenal films.

I have to watch them again. It has been a while.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I went onto rotten tomatoes and counted 19 cheap rotten reviews that complain about TASM with "been there, done that" or saying it was "deja vu." If you take out those reviews, the movie would have approximately 79% positive on RT.

Also, the Top Critic score would be about 85%.

 

[Anno_Domini]

How about Jessica Biel? lol

Meh...lol.

was never a fan of her assets.

I have to watch them again. It has been a while.

They're spectacular movies. But, alas, they're not character-driven so that's Wiseman's fall.

I wonder if he's directing it if we'll be getting Kate Beckinsale as Black Cat, lol.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Well even if he is directing, he isn't the one writing the script, so I don't think it should affect character development too much.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Oh yah? Look at Michael Bay. He looked past character development from scripts such as J.J. Abrams, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. I have no doubt these guys did try to give character development but Bay doesn't care for that nonsense.

 

[grieven]

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Originally Posted by socool
There is a new rumor now that Les Wiseman is to direct the sequel.

Why him of all directors? Hopefully its nothing more than a rumor.

I hope it's a false rumor as well. Things were sounding promising about Webb coming back, but to make it happen he would have to obligate himself to a 2nd movie to Fox. Is that too big a price to pay? HOPE NOT!

 

[LegendAssemble]

I went onto rotten tomatoes and counted 19 cheap rotten reviews that complain about TASM with "been there, done that" or saying it was "deja vu." If you take out those reviews, the movie would have approximately 79% positive on RT.

Also, the Top Critic score would be about 85%.

It's not a cheep rotten review. It hit a lot of the same areas that the first one did and didn't really give us a solid story. It was a fun movie to watch and webb did a good job, but thats a definitely a legitimate complaint.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It's not a cheep rotten review. It hit a lot of the same areas that the first one did and didn't really give us a solid story. It was a fun movie to watch and webb did a good job, but thats a definitely a legitimate complaint.

Criticizing the movie by saying its the same as the 2002 film is pretty cheap. While the movie does have flaws and isn't a solid film on its own, it is very different from the first Sam Raimi film. Naturally there will be similar plot points, such as Peter getting bit by a spider, a speech about responsibility, uncle ben dying, Peter becoming Spider-Man, etc. There are more differences than similarities between the two movies.

If you just glance at the two films, then you might say they are the same. If someone dislikes the film just for that reason, they have every right. But IMO its their loss.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Criticizing the movie by saying its the same as the 2002 film is pretty cheap. While the movie does have flaws and isn't a solid film on its own, it is very different from the first Sam Raimi film. Naturally there will be similar plot points, such as Peter getting bit by a spider, a speech about responsibility, uncle ben dying, Peter becoming Spider-Man, etc. There are more differences than similarities between the two movies.

If you just glance at the two films, then you might say they are the same. If someone dislikes the film just for that reason, they have every right. But IMO its their loss.

I see what you're saying and thats what I thought after the first time I saw the movie too but then I noticed how many plot points it hits that the Raimi film does outside the origin.

*We're introduced to Peter and he gets humiliated, the girl coming to the rescue (SM1: Peter can't catch the bus and MJ tells the driver to stop, AMS: Gwen makes Flash stop beating him up.)

*Peter goes to a laboratory and meets the antagonist who recognizes his intelligence. (SM1: Norman runs to give Harry his backpack and tells is introduced to Peter, who he is impressed understood his scientific publications. AMS: Peter sneaks into OsCorp and is the only student in the group that can answer Dr.Connors question.)

*SM1: Peter gets bitten by a spider with a group of students following a tour guide, and breaking the rules talking to a girl. AMS: Peter gets bitter with a group of interns breaking the rules, leaving the group.

*Peter gets bitten by the spider after having a conversation in the lab with the love interest in both films.

*After getting bitten Peter starts a fight (SM1: accidentally hitting flash with the tray. AMS: Accidentally ripping the womans shirt off)

*When he gets home he freaks out Aunt May and Uncle Ben before going right to sleep. (SM1: Tells them he's not feeling well and runs straight to bed, while Ben and May discuss if this is normal. AMS: Peter acts like hes destroyed and takes everything in the fridge up to his room, May and Ben discuss if it's drugs.)

*Peter wakes up and finds he's different. (SM1: corrected vision, huge muscle development, hand stick to the bus, ect. AMS: Breaks the bathroom and alarm clock.)

*Peter realizes the Spider caused these changes. (SM1: looks at the bite on his hand. AMS: finds the spider)

*Peter gets a speech about responsibility, BOTH because of what happened between him and Flash and him not doing a favor he asked. (SM1: Painting the kitchen, AMS: Picking up Aunt May.)

*Uncle Ben gets shot in the street and Peter is there too see him die. Note in the comics he died in his house and Peter came home to the investigation, this is not necessary.

*We see proto Spider-Man costumes and right when he appears we see, a public figure declare war on Spider-Man. (SM!: Johan Jameson. AMS: Captain Stacy.)

*The villain intends on making a serum to better human anatomy. (SM1: Norman Osborn the Super Soldier Serum, AMS: Dr.Connor a serum to regrow limbs and cure terminal aliments.)

*The villain isn't ready but his superior gives him and ultimatum to present human tests or lose his career. (SM1: Osborn was going to lose the defense contract bankrupting OsCorp, AMS: Raffa was going to close his research department and continue without him.)

*The villain ultimately decides to test the formula on himself.

*The villain attacks the person that gave them the ultimatum. (SM1: Osborn kills the General and the Quest technicians. AMS: Connors goes after Dr.Raffa.)

*The villain comes into conflict with Spider-Man seeking revenge for being forced out. (SM1: Osborn attacks the board of directors at the parade. AMS: Connors attacks people on a bridge looking for Raffa.)

*The villain gets in a fight with Spider-Man wounds him and finds out his identity. (SM1: Osborn cuts him with a razor bat and deduces it at dinner. AMS: Connors cuts Peters chest and finds a camera with his name on it.)

*The villain rushes back to his respected liar and his two personalities argue over what to do about Peter Parker being Spider-Man.

*A police officer tries to arrest Spider-Man until he sees he is needed to save someone. (SM1: Woman in the burning building. AMS: Gwen.)

*The scene immediately following the defeat of the villain is a funeral. (SM1: Osborns. AMS: Captain Stacy)

*Peter has to make the hard decision to not see the love interest anymore taking the high road of responsibility. (SM1: Peter has to tell MJ he can't be with her and lies saying he doesn't love her. AMS: Peter tries to make Gwen not see him anymore and ends it.) Note both follow the funeral.

*Finally we have the call back to Uncle Ben. (SM1: Peter looking at his tombstone. AMS: Peter listening to his last voicemail he left him.)


Look I liked Amazing Spider-Man and I don't think it was a bad movie, but the complaint that it was very similar to Spider-Man 2002 is a legitimate complaint that extends beyond the origin story aspects.

EDIT: just read the end of that. Yeah I agree it is there loss, but my point was there were similarities. I feel like when they made this movie they almost had a check list of everything people complained about from the Raimi films and tried to be different.

 

[Visualiza]

Criticizing the movie by saying its the same as the 2002 film is pretty cheap. While the movie does have flaws and isn't a solid film on its own, it is very different from the first Sam Raimi film. Naturally there will be similar plot points, such as Peter getting bit by a spider, a speech about responsibility, uncle ben dying, Peter becoming Spider-Man, etc. There are more differences than similarities between the two movies.

If you just glance at the two films, then you might say they are the same. If someone dislikes the film just for that reason, they have every right. But IMO its their loss.

With respect, I think you're missing the point. The negativity attributed to the similarities with the 2002 film are not to be taken at face value; they're simply saying that the retread plot points weren't done better than they were before. Think of anything that gives you a feeling of deja-vu or 'been there, done that'. It's not that whatever you're experiencing is bad because you've done/felt it before, it's that it simply isn't as good and doesn't leave as strong an impact as what came before it. I don't think I've read a single negative review that dismisses the new film simply because it's similar to the Raimi film, rather that it wasn't as good. The same can be said between any two films that are similar.

It can go both ways. Ever seen 3:10 to Yuma? Every bit the quality film that the original was, and it distinguished itself enough, IMO anyway, to a be a contemporary classic in its own right. It isn't about being the same as something else, it's about being better or worse.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Legends Assemble, all of the things you mention are similar plot points between the two movies, but even still TASM is different enough where you can say it is NOT the same movie. BTW, his name is Dr. Ratha, not Raffa.

And no, I have read reviews that dislike the film just for being too similar to Raimi's movie.

Anyways, now that the origin story is overwith, they can take the franchise into their own direction, so I'm sure nobody can say its too similar to Spider-Man 2.

If the Green Goblin is used in a sequel, then people are going to say its too much like SM1. Someone is bound to say it.

 

[Jick]

They're only going to say it if the movie uses similar plot points, but I don't think it will, since the first already did it.

It's not because TDK, for example, used the Joker that people said it was the same thing of Batman The Movie.

 

[Picard Sisko]

They're only going to say it if the movie uses similar plot points, but I don't think it will, since the first already did it.

It's not because TDK, for example, used the Joker that people said it was the same thing of Batman The Movie.

That's true. I imagine that the Green Goblin will be very different from Sam Raimi's version. I just hope that it doesn't turn out to be Ultimate Goblin. Crossing fingers every day until we get some news or concept art.

 

[Oscorp]

Having Norman look more like this:

Spoiler

and be more of a psychopath instead of a schizo would make him different enough. He doesn't need to become the Ultimate Green Goblin to feel different.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Having Norman look more like this:

Spoiler

and be more of a psychopath instead of a schizo would make him different enough. He doesn't need to become the Ultimate Green Goblin to feel different.

I second that! How long do you think it will be before we get any concept art?

 

[Oscorp]

I second that! How long do you think it will be before we get any concept art?

Yeah, and not only that, Webb & Co should be aware of the fact that many Spidey fans hate the Ultimate version of Gobby. Also, he would be too much like the Lizard (human taking a serum and becoming a green monster).

Oh I have no idea. Green Goblin is very likely for ASM2 but he might as well be saved for ASM3. Especially if Sony, as it seems, want more than 3 films. I can imagine the first three films be the Gwen Stacy trilogy then, and later movies to focus on Peter trying to move on and eventually getting together with MJ. If they go that route, Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy story would be very fitting for ASM3.

It took some time before we got promo arts for Lizard and even then pretty much everyone knew he was going to be the villain. I don't think we got concept art until just recently.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah, and not only that, Webb & Co should be aware of the fact that many Spidey fans hate the Ultimate version of Gobby. Also, he would be too much like the Lizard (human taking a serum and becoming a green monster).

Oh I have no idea. Green Goblin is very likely for ASM2 but he might as well be saved for ASM3. Especially if Sony, as it seems, want more than 3 films. I can imagine the first three films be the Gwen Stacy trilogy then, and later movies to focus on Peter trying to move on and eventually getting together with MJ. If they go that route, Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy story would be very fitting for ASM3.

It took some time before we got promo arts for Lizard and even then pretty much everyone knew he was going to be the villain. I don't think we got concept art until just recently.

With TASM, they mixed elements of both the 616 & Ultimate Universe. Webb wanted to use Steve Ditko's design of the Lizard, but a lot of the story was inspired by USM. I think the same thing will happen with the Goblin. He may have the original 616 costume, but his character may be inspired by USM, too.

 

[Oscorp]

With TASM, they mixed elements of both the 616 & Ultimate Universe. Webb wanted to use Steve Ditko's design of the Lizard, but a lot of the story was inspired by USM. I think the same thing will happen with the Goblin. He may have the original 616 costume, but his character may be inspired by USM, too.

Yeah I think that as well. I don't know much about the character of Norman in USM, in what ways is he different? I'd like if Webb uses alot of the 90's and 00's as inspiration for Osborn, when he was more of a cold and plotting psychopath.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I shouldn't have said he was different as a character. When he saw Peter was given powers because of the spider DNA combined with the OZ formula, Norman thought that perhaps if he took the spider and combined it with his own DNA, he would create a superior version of himself. Instead he became the Green Goblin. I know Peter's blood was in there somewhere. He took a blood sample from him in order to do some testing and all.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Legends Assemble, all of the things you mention are similar plot points between the two movies, but even still TASM is different enough where you can say it is NOT the same movie. BTW, his name is Dr. Ratha, not Raffa.

And no, I have read reviews that dislike the film just for being too similar to Raimi's movie.

Anyways, now that the origin story is overwith, they can take the franchise into their own direction, so I'm sure nobody can say its too similar to Spider-Man 2.

If the Green Goblin is used in a sequel, then people are going to say its too much like SM1. Someone is bound to say it.

It hits very similar plot points at almost the same time, but you're right it is a different movie, however I'm just trying to help explain where they're coming from. Anyway I agree it's good they have all that out of the way.

Also I think what they cut out wasn't genetic tampering but maybe Peter was the human trial of the Oz serum in a Spider like in the ultimate comics? You know when Ratha says "Do you really think this was all an accident?". Anyway I think his origin is going to be more similar to ultimate but he's going to share more with 616.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It hits very similar plot points at almost the same time, but you're right it is a different movie, however I'm just trying to help explain where they're coming from. Anyway I agree it's good they have all that out of the way.

Also I think what they cut out wasn't genetic tampering but maybe Peter was the human trial of the Oz serum in a Spider like in the ultimate comics? You know when Ratha says "Do you really think this was all an accident?". Anyway I think his origin is going to be more similar to ultimate but he's going to share more with 616.

It hits very similar plot points, but it is NOT the same movie. Oh well, if that's how people feel then let it be. They are entitled to it. But yeah, the origin is out of the way and now we can see what direction the studio wants to take this franchise in.

As for the deleted scenes, do you mean that they purposely led Peter Parker into the room with the spiders or something?

I think the origin will just be a mix between Ultimate and 616. That's pretty much what TASM was.