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Discussion in 'The Dark Knight Rises' started by Thread Manager, Aug 1, 2012.
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I just realized that even with their younger versions, we never had a chance to see Ra's and Talia on screen at the same time with each other.
Unfortunately, they were too busy connecting her to Bane rather than Ra's.
Some quotes! Probably not 100% perfect, but it's what I've gathered from various parts of the web... I wanted to buy the novelization but the two Walmarts I checked on different days were either out of them or never had them. I should just order it.
You have to invest if you want to restore balance to the world.
Suffering builds character.
Do what is necessary.
[Bane] is not the child of Ra's al Ghul. I am.
[Bane is] my friend, my protector.
[My father] excommunicated Bane from the League of Shadows. His only crime was that he loved me.
Ra's al Ghul
Every time a civilization reaches the pinnacle of its decadence, we return to restore
the balance. (Batman Begins)
There are many forms of immortality. (The Dark Knight Rises - Vision)
An heir to ensure that the League of Shadows fulfills its duty to restore balance to civilization. (The Dark Knight Rises Vision)
I loved Ra's cameo in TDKR. It was not just a nice touch to his immortality in comics but he still lives in Bruce's mind after all those years and Taila is his successor. He was a legend, an idea. Just like Batman become a legend and idea for Blake. In a way Batman became immortal as well.
And of course Liam Neeson factor.
I have to agree with people who suggest Talia was underwritten.
But the main problem was that she felt so bland. There just wasn't really anything interesting about her personality until the last five minutes where she shows her true colors, and at least seems "energetic".
Indeed; and it didn't help that they had to rush Batman defeating her and stopping the bomb not long after her big reveal.
This was being discussed in the GD thread... IF Talia was introduced in BB, I wonder who would've played her? Definitely not Marion. Would they have used Katie for the Talia role then?
Well, assuming IF Talia had been in BB, and IF Marion had still ended up playing the character back then, it makes me wonder though on:
How would they have portrayed their relationship AFTER Bruce destroyed her dads home.lol
Who or what would have been used to emphasize Bruces failure and tragedy in TDK instead of Rachels death and his feeling that he had lost his one chance to have a normal life?
I remember thinking that Rachel Weisz would've made a good Talia.
Oh hell NAW! LOL!!!
A bunch of random stuff:
In terms of "whitewashing," I was pleased that a part-Chinese actress portrayed her mother at least, so part of her heritage was acknowledged at least in that way.
Personally, I love her gloating even if I'm one of the few who understand it.
I can't blame Marion for that. It's Nolan's fault for allowing that take to make the movie IMO. Marion will undeservingly get most of the ridicule though (like how Bale gets all the flak for the Batvoice).
It would be nice for Nolan to replace Talia's death scene with another take or something else completely for the Blu-Ray...
One of the things that bothers me most about her role in the movie is that for non fanboys, the movies ARE canon for certain characters. Its why the general audience still thinks Batman is mainly just a regular dude with some fighting skills and gadgets, despite the fact that he is a genius in the comics.
This movie was Talia's introduction for many viewers and they got it wrong in so many ways, IMO.
Yes and it is one of my greatest deception. So much potential.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that she's easily Nolan's worst written villain. She had zero redeeming qualities.
We don't know if Ra's was genuine in his fondness for Bruce or if that was all a form of manipulation on his part but we definitely felt something when he and Bruce were at odds in the end. Bane might've blown people to pieces but his past with Talia humanize him. Two-Face was obviously sympathetic. The Joker and Scarecrow were just fun in general. Talia was none of that. She wasn't even remotely interesting when she was Tate.
It's a bit surreal seeing kvz5 speak so negatively about Cottiard's character after over a year and a half of devoted praise about her on this forum.
I don't think any of us expected her to be as big of a letdown as she was. It's almost unbelievable.
Marion is my favorite actress (along with Cate Blanchett) but that doesn't mean I would automatically like her character. The character was just simply badly written and underdeveloped. Like what I said, I can't find a single redeeming quality to it. I probably would hate it even further if it wasn't Marion playing it although honestly I don't think any actress can save it.
If acting in the scene was bad,that's director's fault.Same goes for Bale's & Hardy's voices.
Marion still had to perform it right?
Yes but the actor must have some common sense for the director to remark when a performance sucks.