The Last Jedi Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker (VIII)

[TheVileOne]

Thanks titansupes. I just want to be diplomatic. I'm also conflicted about how things ended with Luke. Like I wasn't as disappointed as other fans were with it, but I understand their disappointment and acknowledge it.

That being said, I am of the opinion that Luke's situation on the island was believable considering what happened. Like I don't completely agree with Mark Hamill about that.

Now being perfectly honest, there are things I like about EU Star Wars and what happened to all the main characters even more there. At the same time, I realize going to the EU over 30 years later is rather unrealistic with all the main actors so much older. We can't exactly pick up where EU left off since they decided to make new movies.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Mark interviewed by Travers. Lots of perspective to chew on.


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[markjoedelonge]

Han decades past: "There's no all powerful force that controls everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny... It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."

Han in TFA: "It's true... All of it."

In ANH he's a devil may care smuggler with a heart of gold In debt to criminals.

In TFA he's a man that went back to smuggling and is in debt to criminals because he is running from the wreckage wrought by his own son becoming the very thing he and his friends fought against.

There are differences.

Han pretty much was in TFA. One of the more disappointing things about that film.

Yeah. And why exactly was it disappointing for you? I found it believable that he would return to the one thing he was really good at.

 

[titansupes]

Han was great in TFA (and missed in TLJ). He'd clearly grown as a character, but at the end of the day, didn't have the emotional maturity to really be a father or deal with what had happened to his family. All that collapsed, so he tried to run back to his devil-may-care days to bury it. His scene with Kylo on the bridge was something special. One of his best.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Han was great in TFA (and missed in TLJ). He'd clearly grown as a character, but at the end of the day, didn't have the emotional maturity to really be a father or deal with what had happened to his family. All that collapsed, so he tried to run back to his devil-may-care days to bury it. His scene with Kylo on the bridge was something special. One of his best.

Yup. The way he touches Kylo's face.....

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Watched again tonight and Mark steals the movie. Amazing performance.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Han was great in TFA (and missed in TLJ). He'd clearly grown as a character, but at the end of the day, didn't have the emotional maturity to really be a father or deal with what had happened to his family. All that collapsed, so he tried to run back to his devil-may-care days to bury it. His scene with Kylo on the bridge was something special. One of his best.

Same, I loved how the older characters were brought back in TFA. TLJ has ruined that a little for me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm not crying... Just something in my eye... Yeah... That's it.


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[Greens]

Same, I loved how the older characters were brought back in TFA. TLJ has ruined that a little for me.

Han was definitely a homerun in TFA. Leia was Leia, she didn't get too much meat to chew on. Luke, while a great performance, I'm conflicted about.

 

[random_havoc]

Thanks titansupes. I just want to be diplomatic. I'm also conflicted about how things ended with Luke. Like I wasn't as disappointed as other fans were with it, but I understand their disappointment and acknowledge it.

That being said, I am of the opinion that Luke's situation on the island was believable considering what happened. Like I don't completely agree with Mark Hamill about that.

Now being perfectly honest, there are things I like about EU Star Wars and what happened to all the main characters even more there. At the same time, I realize going to the EU over 30 years later is rather unrealistic with all the main actors so much older. We can't exactly pick up where EU left off since they decided to make new movies.

I appreciate your respectful tone towards both sides. My thoughts back: This (bolded comment) is just like the argument that Superman snapping Zod's neck is believable given the situation he was in. Well, sure, that may be true but the point is that it was a supremely crappy choice writing him into that situation then because that's not the Superman that fans care about or wanted. In the same way, this loser version of Luke is not what fans wanted, they wanted the real Luke! Even Hamill said this isn't Luke, he had to think of him as a new character to play him!
So I guess my point is it doesn't matter if they were able to justify enough giving us this crappy quasi-Luke, it's still a crappy version of a cinematic legend, that's why it sucks.

 

[obredaan]

So ideally, Rey will no longer fight with a lightsaber?

It depends on if JJ/Disney ignores what this sets up. Luke's symbolic gesture shouldn't be ignored because some fans didn't like it. I just hope Disney doesn't course correct cause after watching the film a few times I've grown to appreciate the message Luke was trying to send to the galaxy.

 

[ron1705]

Even Hamill said this isn't Luke

Why do you guys always neglect to mention that Hamill has come around to liking this version a whole lot, even if he had doubts?

Have you guys never collaborated on something? Creative differences are par for the course, and sometimes you get it your way and sometimes you go for the other person's vision. And then in the end, one can develop an appreciation for the other person's vision, instead of childishly holding on to your own. It's sad that Hamill's first view keeps being abused as an argument by people who didn't like the movie.

 

[sueb1863]

Why do you guys always neglect to mention that Hamill has come around to liking this version a whole lot, even if he had doubts?

A lot of fans are claiming he's only saying that because Disney is making him say it, and that what he said first is how he really feels about it.

At this point we'll probably never know which is true. But I agree that he should have kept his mouth shut about any misgivings until long after the movie came out, just because it's poor form to bad mouth your latest movie before it even opens.

 

[Boom]

Had a long conversation with my girlfriend's brother about this and the more I think about it, the more I'm appreciating Luke's arc.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hey guys, here is a nice quote from Senor Hamill:

“I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public. Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private, All I wanted was to make [a] good movie. I got more than that — [writer-director Rian Johnson] made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill.”

So, can we stop saying Mark Hamill hates the movie now?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Hey guys, here is a nice quote from Senor Hamill:



So, can we stop saying Mark Hamill hates the movie now?

You know that's not gonna happen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You know that's not gonna happen.

I know, but now every time people post the "Jake Skywalker" video, I am replying with this.

 

[Aximili86]

Err, no Spider-Fan, these people don't see reason. It'll just be "b-b-but Disney threatened him and he caved!"

Like, what, they'd originally had him planned to come back for IX but won't now because he "spoke out" about TLJ or something. Riiiiight. Disney has no bargaining power here, he's Luke ****ing Skywalker, Mark says what he wants and there's nothing they can do about it.

But anything contradicting or contextualizing the negative stuff they'll just ignore, 'cause "raaah rabble rabble rabble!"

Dey tooker jeeeeerbs, etc.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Err, no Spider-Fan, these people don't see reason. It'll just be "b-b-but Disney threatened him and he caved!"

Like, what, they'd originally had him planned to come back for IX but won't now because he "spoke out" about TLJ or something. Riiiiight. Disney has no bargaining power here, he's Luke ****ing Skywalker, Mark says what he wants and there's nothing they can do about it.

But anything contradicting or contextualizing the negative stuff they'll just ignore, 'cause "raaah rabble rabble rabble!"

Dey tooker jeeeeerbs, etc.

Agreed. Disney at this point need him more than he needs them, honestly. Especially since he is the only one of the original trio that can still come back. Further, I don't think that twitter post is inconsistent with prior comments he made. He said similar things in the past, but people choose to play the one sound clip that supports their agenda, as opposed to getting facts straight

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Why do you guys always neglect to mention that Hamill has come around to liking this version a whole lot, even if he had doubts?

Have you guys never collaborated on something? Creative differences are par for the course, and sometimes you get it your way and sometimes you go for the other person's vision. And then in the end, one can develop an appreciation for the other person's vision, instead of childishly holding on to your own. It's sad that Hamill's first view keeps being abused as an argument by people who didn't like the movie.

Exactly. Hamill also had creative differences with Kershner about Luke's direction in TESB.

"George is more technical and he doesn’t really want to talk about motivation and backstory and that kind of thing. Kershner was much more of an actor’s director and we were both very headstrong and opinionated. So I think what he’s referring to is that we butted heads a couple of times over interpretation or whatever it was. And I’d say, ‘Well, fine. I’ll do it your way, but I’m not happy about it and I think you’re wrong.’ But I loved him and I think he appreciated the fact that I was opinionated and engaged, because that’s the relationship of a director and an actor, to collaborate like that.”

 

[Boom]

I guess I don't understand how Hamill could have been open to Luke turning over to the Dark Side, but him cutting himself off from the Force and going into exile is pushing things too far.

 

[Frodo]

At this point it really doesn't matter if he meant it or not. Either side of the debate over this film will use his quotes as talking points to further their own position on the film, and in the end, its a wash anyway.

The statements one way or another haven't changed the fact that the reaction to the film has been mixed. At the same time, the film is massive hit so whether he meant what he said then or now is irrelevant .

People who loved the film aren't gonna change their minds, and people who didn't like the film aren't suddenly gonna start liking it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agreed. Disney at this point need him more than he needs them, honestly. Especially since he is the only one of the original trio that can still come back. Further, I don't think that twitter post is inconsistent with prior comments he made. He said similar things in the past, but people choose to play the one sound clip that supports their agenda, as opposed to getting facts straight

So people who didn’t like the movie or some of the choices made have an agenda now?

You do know people could say exactly the same about people defending the movie to high heaven don’t you?

Personally I am generally mixed on the movie, but I didn’t like the choices made with Luke here.

 

[Spider-Fan]

So people who didn’t like the movie or some of the choices made have an agenda now?

You do know people could say exactly the same about people defending the movie to high heaven don’t you?

Personally I am generally mixed on the movie, but I didn’t like the choices made with Luke here.

When you pick and choose quotes and ignore other ones that don't fit your narrative, yes you have an agenda. I have long held in this argument even if Hamill hated the direction, it means little. But, now people quoting him like his quote is gospel also have quotes by him directly contradicting their view. In other words, the Luke's arc sucked and Hamill is the highest authority on Luke Skywalker narrative is proven to be a false narrative. That is my point. You can like or dislike what they did all you want. Just stop bringing Hamill's quote into it.

 

[godisawesome]

I think Hamill is likely voicing how he feels that the intial turmoil and disagreements he had with the character's *conceptual* starting point shouldn't be taken as an endorsement of attacks on the final product, and I'm willing to bet that he's of the opinion that, regardless of the conceptual starting point for his character and the possible conflicts with his earlier portrayals, he and Johnson still made some damn awesome scenes together. And as an artist, he'd probably want people to focus on those elements instead of tossing out everything because of some issues with the plotting in the context of a series.

Because make no mistake, Hamill was on point in regards to acting in this film, and Luke's story is *easily* the best executed element of the film. I think my biggest criticism of the plotting for Luke (not the scripting or the acting) isn't even based of the core concept as much as the extent to which Johnson takes it. A broken Luke in some way or another was kind of inevitable for the character thanks to what was already established in his background, as was some critical retrospection on the Jedi. It's just that it does take a bit more suspension of disbelief to accept that Luke changed enough to not feel some kind of compulsion to help when billions of people have been murdered and he does have useful skills and knowledge. Or that he's changed and embittered so much that he won't even ask where his lightsaber was saved from; the toss over the shoulder does feel to me like more of a meta-statement than a character derived idea.