Mass Effect 3

[Upset Spideyfan]

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That's what I want. The ending is done, going back and changing it at this point on some fundamental level is not a good idea imo. However, expanding on what's already there, giving more dialogue options to reflect our Shepard's and giving us a better epilogue, especially with the crew would be very very much appreciated.

 

[iamlegend]

Didn't we find out in the first game? They were an indoctrinated, warped species (kind of like the Collectors) who kept up the Citadel for the Reapers so species would settle there. They were also programmed to send the signal that caused the Reapers to come through the Citadel relay but the Protheans altered their minds for future generations so they are basically just mindless caretakers.

This.

I never heard anything about them being revisited in a third game, either. Their story is more or less told.

 

[Master Chief]

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but this is mfw they try to explain

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Haha, you cray cray MC

lol!

Didn't we find out in the first game? They were an indoctrinated, warped species (kind of like the Collectors) who kept up the Citadel for the Reapers so species would settle there. They were also programmed to send the signal that caused the Reapers to come through the Citadel relay but the Protheans altered their minds for future generations so they are basically just mindless caretakers.

That was just a theory even though I think it's true. All that we learn from the games is they're there and they send out a signal or something, and that's only if you help the dude scan them in the first game.

 

[zenith16]

matt's correct and I got a mail message from that salarian scientist in ME2 to reconfirm what went down in ME in that explanation of the keepers. they were there for maintenance purposes on the behest of the Reapers.

 

[Matt]

Ha, they certainly have claimed that, just like they have claimed they would leave no questions unanswered by the end of ME3. Just like how when confronted with the fact that some of From Ashes is on disc, they say "Well, SOME is, but the majority isnt", when before they were adamant that work on DLC started after the game was finished. Oh, and lets not forget this hilarious claim





Who said anything about paying for it? Who said anything about it being the "real" ending? I can't hold all these implications.....

Yep, Bioware definitely caught a case of Peter Molyneux syndrome. That being said, it is still a tremendous game.

As for paying for it....clearly you are not familiar with how EA does business.

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I'm not asking them to change the ending. Just actually explain what in the hell happened and offer closure, which Master Chief even lobbies for in that post. Any kind of epilogue or post-game DLC would do that without ever having to revisit the actual ending itself.

They don't have to "admit defeat."

You can't re-write history, but you can clarify it.

I mean at this point about all I can offer about the fate of my story is: "Well, I probably stopped the Reapers, and I might have blown up the galaxy in the process. Not really sure. Oh and my team may be pulling a Swiss Family Robinson."

And if [blackout]Shepard died? Could you really see post game DLC without Shepard?[/blackout]

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Didn't we find out in the first game? They were an indoctrinated, warped species (kind of like the Collectors) who kept up the Citadel for the Reapers so species would settle there. They were also programmed to send the signal that caused the Reapers to come through the Citadel relay but the Protheans altered their minds for future generations so they are basically just mindless caretakers.

Sweet, thanks for accidentally proving my next point. If the Keepers were like the Collectors in that they were indoctrinated, doing the Reapers bidding, then what was the point of Sovereign? If the Reapers had indoctrinated creatures on the Citadel who could do the same thing as Sovereign, then what was the point of either?

Oh, and we havent even brought up this hilarious aspect of the ending

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The Reapers are synthetic beings who will destroy organic beings because eventually the organics will create synthetics who will kill the organics.

 

[iamlegend]

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That's what I want. The ending is done, going back and changing it at this point on some fundamental level is not a good idea imo. However, expanding on what's already there, giving more dialogue options to reflect our Shepard's and giving us a better epilogue, especially with the crew would be very very much appreciated.

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I honestly just want to know what actually happens in the finale. I'm not worried about the final decision itself - my Shepard's mission from day one was to blow the Reapers out of the sky at any cost, so I'm glad I was able to make that call.

 

[iamlegend]

Sweet, thanks for accidentally proving my next point. If the Keepers were like the Collectors in that they were indoctrinated, doing the Reapers bidding, then what was the point of Sovereign? If the Reapers had indoctrinated creatures on the Citadel who could do the same thing as Sovereign, then what was the point of either?

Oh, and we havent even brought up this hilarious aspect of the ending

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The Reapers are synthetic beings who will destroy organic beings because eventually the organics will create synthetics who will kill the organics.

I'm pretty sure the games explained it as this...

The Keepers are supposed to activate the signal, yes. But they're always being monitored by Sovereign, the Reaper vanguard, who doesn't hibernate. He makes sure everything's going swimmingly and then has the Keepers send the signal. When the Keepers suddenly don't respond to his commands (thanks to the Protheans) he has to go investigate. Obviously he can't just show up and start asking questions, so he had to indoctrinate Saren.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Yep, Bioware definitely caught a case of Peter Molyneux syndrome. That being said, it is still a tremendous game.

As for paying for it....clearly you are not familiar with how EA does business.

I am very familiar. They were the first to have a "project $10", which allows all owners of a new copy of a game to get DLC for free. Will they do this? Probably not, but of course they have given out DLC for free. How else did I get Zaeed?

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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I honestly just want to know what actually happens in the finale. I'm not worried about the final decision itself - my Shepard's mission from day one was to blow the Reapers out of the sky at any cost, so I'm glad I was able to make that call.

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I mean not so much as to give new choices but to ask things like will destroying the Mass Relays cause Arrival style destruction? Its clear people are confused over that even though its pretty clear that BW did not mean to imply such a level of destruction and clarifying what's going into every decision and in addition having Shepard react to that would go a long for a lot of people.

Mark Meer and Hale are probably the actors that they have the easiest access to so utilizing them as much as possible in any revision would be a smart move.

 

[Balthus Dire]

But this is why we will never get that:



They will not admit defeat.



Nope. I can't. But they certainly mattered in the build up and Bioware has certainly claimed that the player can "build your own Shepard/story," throughout the franchise. To add on more at this point would undermine it. What is done is done. Don't make me pay for the "real," ending.

It's certainly true that Bioware will likely not change anything because it will make them look stupid, but that doesn't mean that the ending isn't garbage. Dragon Age 2 was a rushed hack job and Bioware still defended it until their face turned blue, but that doesn't change the fact that it was still a rushed hack job.

Thing is, it'd be one thing if it was a handful of people who thought the ending was so bad that it warranted further explanation or DLC. But it's a HUGE majority of a dedicated fanbase who feels this way.

And most people aren't even complaining about

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Shepard dying.

They're complaining about

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the complete and utter lack of closure and insane inconsistencies and plotholes.

Those aren't just stupid minor complaints; they're glaring problems.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

I'm pretty sure the games explained it as this...

The Keepers are supposed to activate the signal, yes. But they're always being monitored by Sovereign, the Reaper vanguard, who doesn't hibernate. He makes sure everything's going swimmingly and then has the Keepers send the signal. When the Keepers suddenly don't respond to his commands (thanks to the Protheans) he has to go investigate. Obviously he can't just show up and start asking questions, so he had to indoctrinate Saren.

Like MC said, what the Keepers are doing is mostly based off fan theories, the same things that some posters here are so against as far as the ending of ME3.

 

[Matt]

Sweet, thanks for accidentally proving my next point. If the Keepers were like the Collectors in that they were indoctrinated, doing the Reapers bidding, then what was the point of Sovereign? If the Reapers had indoctrinated creatures on the Citadel who could do the same thing as Sovereign, then what was the point of either?

The Protheans (as a last ditch effort for future generations) altered the minds of the Keepers so they do not send out the signal again. That is why Soveirgn came....to activate the signal/relay because the Keepers couldn't do it again.

Oh, and we havent even brought up this hilarious aspect of the ending

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The Reapers are synthetic beings who will destroy organic beings because eventually the organics will create synthetics who will kill the organics.

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I too agree that this could have been expanded upon more. To me it felt like Master Mold logic. Organic life is chaotic and will always lead to their own destruction. We will therefore reboot the galaxy every 50,000 years for the sake of maintaining order and preventing another organic life to expand enough to destroy the universe.

 

[zenith16]

I am very familiar. They were the first to have a "project $10", which allows all owners of a new copy of a game to get DLC for free. Will they do this? Probably not, but of course they have given out DLC for free. How else did I get Zaeed?

that's was more bioware's doing as a thank you to the fans for sticking with them From ME to ME2 when they just bough by ea. EA has a rep nearly the same as capcom, with pardon my word ****ing out things for a franchise for cash grabs, but capcoms a bit more well you know.... "We'll bleed you dry of money" up front about it. .

 

[Matt]

Like MC said, what the Keepers are doing is mostly based off fan theories, the same things that some posters here are so against as far as the ending of ME3.

No it isn't. It is very clearly stated in ME1.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

that's was more biowares doing as a thank you to the fans for sticking with them From ME to ME2. EA has a rep nearly the same as capcom but capcoms a bit more well you know We'll bleed you dry of money up front.

EA did the same thing for Battlefield 3, which came out just a few months ago. It wasn't a one time deal.

No it isn't. It is very clearly stated in ME1.

You know what? You are right. It was explained in the books, then added into ME2 in a terminal or something. I just checked on the wiki.

 

[Matt]

EA did the same thing for Battlefield 3, which came out just a few months ago. It wasn't a one time deal.



You know what? You are right. It was explained in the books, then added into ME2 in a terminal or something. I just checked on the wiki.

It was also stated in Mass Effect 1, clearly. It was the entire driving action of ME1's plot. Saren was trying to activate the Citadel relay because of the Protheans' alteration of the Keepers.

 

[zenith16]

EA did the same thing for Battlefield 3, which came out just a few months ago. It wasn't a one time deal.

they were promoting origin through that though. so they use that for more ways to get a cash grab later. it's different type of deal.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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The Reapers are not synthetic. They're organic constructs so in their mind the distinction is rather fundamental.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

they were promoting origin through that though. so they use that for more way to get acash grab later. it's different type of deal.

I have Battlefield 3 on 360, and last time I checked, Origin isn't EA's way of selling games on the 360.

This also came up with DA2. In fact, all of EA's major games of late, outside of ME3, have had Project $10.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Thing is, it'd be one thing if it was a handful of people who thought the ending was so bad that it warranted further explanation or DLC. But it's a HUGE majority of a dedicated fanbase who feels this way.

Where's your data that proves its a "HUGE majority"? You sure its not just a very vocal minority. Like damn near everything else thats b*****d about on the net?



This is the LOST series finale all over again.

 

[Master Chief]

It was also stated in Mass Effect 1, clearly. It was the entire driving action of ME1's plot. Saren was trying to activate the Citadel relay because of the Protheans' alteration of the Keepers.

That's where I got confused lol, Vigil was speculating about the keepers. I forgot Chorban's e-mail too, it's cool to note that the same people who built the reapers also engineered the keepers.

edit: unless the reapers built Sovereign... lol, then all the cool factor is gone.

 

[zenith16]

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The Reapers are not synthetic. They're organic constructs so in their mind the distinction is rather fundamental.

oh their like those guys doctor who fights those trash can bots. lol

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

The Daleks are a mighty and fearsome race!

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Where's your data that proves its a "HUGE majority"? You sure its not just a very vocal minority. Like damn near everything else thats b*****d about on the net?


This is the LOST series finale all over again.

I know this isn't something you can really go off of, but even ignoring fanboys on forums, look at twitter. Check out #MassEffect3Ending and you will see more than just fanboys upset, but a decent sized group of casual gamers as well.

That said, if you do look at forums, take a look at the polls on various sites that have 20,000+ votes saying that the ending could have been better.