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Its not just gaming sites that are now stepping forward and defending the fans, you have forbes, and I saw a piece by Ars Technica also stating the same thing. Bioware screwed the ending.

I disagree. Bioware did not screw the ending (I am aware that I am seemingly contradicting myself). The ending is just fine. What Bioware screwed up is how they SOLD the ending. Unless this ending was created on the fly in January, Bioware knew what their ending would be some time ago. Their mistake was Casey Hudson constantly saying things like, "no two endings are the same."
 
Yeah, I was curious to see if any of the major review sites mentioned anything about the ending. So I looked, and to my dismay, mostly all were overwhelmingly pleased with it. No one even suggested it may disagree with peope. I think Gametrailers mentioned it at the beginning of their video review, and then never brought it up again.

Ha. Forbes actually calmly articulating what many of us feel. Good Guy Forbes memes, here we come.
 
That's the problem with the gaming media. Forbes is never going to get the big scoop on the next hot game. They will never run the first in-game pictures of GTA V or Halo 4. Game Trailers, IGN, Game Informer, Game Spot....they are all in competition for those kinds of information. Therefore they pander to studios.
 
From the Forbes article:
“Pay us to make your game suck less” is a trick that’s going to work once, and never, ever again.

Bwahahaha I lol'd at that one.

Forbes has it spot on, man.
 
Good article by Ars Technica, from the guy who first reviewed it, then talk about fan involvement with the series and being upset about the ending

Doesn't talk any specific spoilers, more like how people feel about the endings and things of that nature.

So what is it about Mass Effect 3's ending that has so many up in arms? For many, the lack of direct player control over some rather massive story threads seems to be the main sticking point. After investing dozens of hours into a story where every decision seems to matter, Mass Effect 3 players "reach the ending of ME3 and realize that everything you have done means nothing," as the Facebook protest group puts it.


This isn't 100 percent true; there are 16 or so distinct variations on the Mass Effect 3 ending, depending on how you're counting, and some of them show how previous player choices can have profound consequences for the fate of major characters and even entire planets. But the protesters do have a point: the larger outlines for the final fate of the galaxy seem preordained no matter what decisions you've made or how hard you've worked to get that "galactic readiness" rating up before the final battle.


I mentioned in my review that I found the ending I ran into on my first ME3 playthrough "somewhat unsatisfying from a narrative point of view," but at the time I figured there were other "better" endings that could have been achieved through careful decision-making and effort on a subsequent playthrough. Now that I've researched just which portions of the ending can be changed through player action, though, I'm genuinely surprised at how little all of Commander Shepard's actions seem to impact what happens to the galaxy as a whole.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...ct-3-show-fan-investment-in-story-control.ars
 
I disagree. Bioware did not screw the ending (I am aware that I am seemingly contradicting myself). The ending is just fine. What Bioware screwed up is how they SOLD the ending. Unless this ending was created on the fly in January, Bioware knew what their ending would be some time ago. Their mistake was Casey Hudson constantly saying things like, "no two endings are the same."

Good point, They screwed the ending by what they kind of promised and alluded too.
 
I finally finished the game. I guess it doesn't bother me as much since I wasn't around to play this from the start and really only started with the PS3 version. But I was a little upset at how [BLACKOUT]I couldn't save Shepard and how I could have gotten a higher Galactic Readiness Rating had I played the online mode, which I can't since I'm renting the game and there's no pass on PSN.[/BLACKOUT] So that disappointed me more. But I can understand why most people are upset. But I feel like it all comes back to that debate of Entitlement and the difference between what gamers get and what they feel they deserve.

Again, I didn't follow this game as closely as most others, but I agree with Matt, that regardless of how the game actually ends, the selling point of how no two endings are the same is kind of a lie based on some of the videos I've seen of some different endings.
 
I disagree. Bioware did not screw the ending (I am aware that I am seemingly contradicting myself). The ending is just fine. What Bioware screwed up is how they SOLD the ending. Unless this ending was created on the fly in January, Bioware knew what their ending would be some time ago. Their mistake was Casey Hudson constantly saying things like, "no two endings are the same."

Well, what you just said is pretty much true. Bioware had another ending written, until it was leaked in mid-late 2011, which seems to be the main reason for the delay.
 
Well, what you just said is pretty much true. Bioware had another ending written, until it was leaked in mid-late 2011, which seems to be the main reason for the delay.

They changed the ending because the original one was leaked ? They deserve the **** storm they are getting now
 
They changed the ending because the original one was leaked ? They deserve the **** storm they are getting now


There is lost dialogue with Anderson that was cut floating around on youtube right now.
 
Stopped reading there

Don't tell me different colored beams make distinctly different endings

lol, plus has anyone seen a list of the 16 different endings? Coz I haven't. The only list I've seen is an 8/8 split on whether you kept/destroyed the Collector Base; the only difference is you need more or less War Assets to get one of the 8 outcomes.
 
I think at this point Bioware does need to respond in some way, this is clearly becoming an issue and is spreading beyond the confines of just an angry internet message board.

I am hoping that other Game Developers are taking note on the **** storm Bioware is so rightfully getting. Let this be a wake up call for everybody else making games. I would even want FOX News to chip in on this one
 
My thoughts on "entitlement," are this:

Entitled is the wrong word. Entitlement implies that they do not deserve it. The fact is, fans were sold the very thing that they are asking for. If I am sold an apple and am handed an orange, am I entitled if I say, "Wait a tick....this isn't an apple,"? That is what happened here.

Whether the ending is good or not is irrelevant. Entitlement is the wrong choice of words.

Perfect. I really couldn't have said it better myself. I haven't come across anyone that is only mad due to [BLACKOUT]Shepard's "death"[/BLACKOUT]. The only people even mentioning that are the gaming blogs making fun of the "whiners" by saying that is the only thing they are upset about.

Also, I was just talking to a buddy about this. I don't think game reviewers finished the game before it came out, which is why you have seen Kotaku defend the ending the day after the game came out, but over the past few days, they have had a couple of articles coming out, agreeing that it has some plot holes. You have The Escapist, who called these fans "whiners" and basically sounded as if they wanted to point and laugh at these fans, now posting comics about how they cried at the plotholes.

EDIT: or maybe they are just conmen

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This isn't the first short ending.. Anyone remember the KotOR and KotOR II endings?

KOTOR ending was fine. It was KOTOR2 that had the poor ending, and that is because Lucasarts pushed for the game to be releases sooner, forcing Obsidian to cut a giant amount of content.
 
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So which ending there can accomplish the following ?

A) Shepard lives

B) Anderson lives

C) Destroy Reapers

D) Save Earth / Galaxy

?

A) Destroy the Reapers and have an EMS higher than 5000 (4000 if Anderson doesn't die at the hands of TIM)

B) Anderson cannot live. He just doesn't die from a direct headshot from TIM

C) Choose the "Destroy Reapers" ending

D) Well, now we start to get into some plotholes, so I can't really tell you which option saves the galaxy, because each one does something negative to the galaxy.
 
I agree. I'd hardly call those endings unique from one another, despite any of those variables.
 
A) Destroy the Reapers and have an EMS higher than 5000 (4000 if Anderson doesn't die at the hands of TIM)

B) Anderson cannot live. He just doesn't die from a direct headshot from TIM

C) Choose the "Destroy Reapers" ending

D) Well, now we start to get into some plotholes, so I can't really tell you which option saves the galaxy, because each one does something negative to the galaxy.

So there is no perfect ending then ?
 
As long as you don't have really low war assets the Earth/Galaxy are saved by whatever you do. The "perfect" ending is Shepard surviving in the Destroy endings. The IGN page just uses some confusing terminology.
 
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