MCU Fight: Hela Vs. Thanos (Power Stone)

[Thör-El]

Let us also not forget even with Lightning, Thor vs Hulk was a fight. That was like, a legit heavyweight fight that went back and forth. Thanos TRASHED the Hulk. With ease. I don't think Thor having lightning would have done much for him in this case.

That's not how the Hulk vs Thor fight went down. It was a heavyweight back and forth fight BEFORE Thor tapped into his lightning powers.

With lightning Thor ragdolled Hulk with one lightning charged punch, gave Hulk a chance to recover and then overpowered a charge from Hulk, ragdolled him again and clearly left him shaken with a second hit.
Thanos needed about ten rapid hits to put Hulk down. I'm pretty sure Ragnarok Thor could've done the same thing (and Hela beat that version of Thor and Valkyrie at once).

Yeah,this a big one. As EM mentions also, Thanos is he first being to ever wield more than one infinity stone at once. And that was just when he had 2.

There was a whole plot point about Thanos forcing Eitri to make him the gauntlet so he could survive wielding all the stones. "I made what he wanted: a device capable of harnessing the power of the stones.". Without it I don't think he could've.

Without the gauntlet he only ever had to handle one stone at a time and he's never shown holding the power stone (the only one we know kills its wielders unless they're strong enough). Dr Strange can handle the time stone no problem, various characters have held the space and mind stones and the reality stone didn't even kill Jane Foster,

I also think Thor would have done much better against Hela if he had Storm breaker.

Agreed. I'd place Stormbreaker Thor above Hela and Thanos (power stone only). The guy near enough killed Thanos with a completed Infinity Gauntlet (if only he'd went for the head/removed the gauntlet/hadn't stopped to gloat).

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's not how the Hulk vs Thor fight went down. It was a heavyweight back and forth fight BEFORE Thor tapped into his lightning powers.

With lightning Thor ragdolled Hulk with one lightning charged punch, gave Hulk a chance to recover and then overpowered a charge from Hulk, ragdolled him again and clearly left him shaken with a second hit.
Thanos needed about ten rapid hits to put Hulk down. I'm pretty sure Ragnarok Thor could've done the same thing (and Hela beat that version of Thor and Valkyrie at once).

Thor also was throwing haymakers. Thanos was doing quick strikes. He beat Hulk down in like 10 seconds with quick strikes. Imagine a haymaker!

 

[Thör-El]

Thor also was throwing haymakers. Thanos was doing quick strikes. He beat Hulk down in like 10 seconds with quick strikes. Imagine a haymaker!

That was my point though. He put Hulk down with a rapid combination of well placed hits. Thor was leaving Hulk shaken/on his ass with individual punches and then giving Hulk a chance to recover and doing it again.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That was my point though. He put Hulk down with a rapid combination of well placed hits. Thor was leaving Hulk shaken/on his ass with individual punches and then giving Hulk a chance to recover and doing it again.

Right, so when Thanos starts a combo like that, he just wins. Hulk is about as durable as they come in the MCU, and he could't take much punishment from Thanos. Thanos would key on Hela and not let up.

 

[Thör-El]

Right, so when Thanos starts a combo like that, he just wins. Hulk is about as durable as they come in the MCU, and he could't take much punishment from Thanos. Thanos would key on Hela and not let up.

Thanos had a strength and speed advantage over Hulk plus he overwhelmingly outclasses Hulk in skill. He doesn't have any of those advantages over Hela.

As for durability, Hela has a healing factor and durability that can shrug off the "biggest lightning blast in the history of lightning" and being stabbed in the back by Valkyrie and given that she's written as Thor's physically superior older sister her durability ought to be at least as high as Thor's (i.e. surviving the "full force of a star" and an explosion that disintegrated a city, taking Hulk/Iron Man's best hits and 30,000 ft falls without a scratch). That's way above anything we've seen from Hulk (or Thanos for that matter).

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thanos had a strength and speed advantage over Hulk plus he overwhelmingly outclasses Hulk in skill. He doesn't have any of those advantages over Hela.

As for durability, Hela has a healing factor and durability that's at least as high as Thor's (i.e. surviving the "full force of a star" and an explosion that disintegrated a city, taking Hulk/Iron Man's best hits and 30,000 ft falls without a scratch). That's way above anything we've seen from Hulk.

Thor was also limp, bleeding, and unable to protect himself or anyone when Thanos was done with him in their first encounter. So whatever damage Thanos did to him was significant. Granted we didn't see what happened, but point is he obviously is capable of dishing out punishment Thor cannot quickly bounce back from. So if Thor is our base line here, stands to reason Hela would suffer a similar issue.

 

[Thör-El]

Thor was also limp, bleeding, and unable to protect himself or anyone when Thanos was done with him in their first encounter. So whatever damage Thanos did to him was significant. Granted we didn't see what happened, but point is he obviously is capable of dishing out punishment Thor cannot quickly bounce back from. So if Thor is our base line here, stands to reason Hela would suffer a similar issue.

That's fair and I'm not arguing that Thanos can't hurt her. With the power stone he definitely can, he's probably strong enough to hurt her without it too.

What I'm saying is that she's
-likely as strong as Thanos or stronger (feats wise it's basically crushing Mjolnir, overpowering Thor vs putting down Hulk in 10 hits but struggling against weaker heroes)
-faster and more skilled than Thanos (outclassing Thor and Valkyrie at once, taking on Asgard's army and barely taking a hit vs outskilling Hulk and then mainly relying on strength/the gauntlet for his later fights)
-isn't going to have trouble with Thanos' durability (her swords can easily cut through Thor and overwhelm his healing factor to take out an eye, she also impaled Surtur Prime)
-logically she should be capable of all of Thor's durability feats which are above anything we've seen from Thanos.

Other than the power stone I don't think Thanos has any other advantages and I think Hela's fast enough to take him out before he can finish her with it.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I think some are forgetting that this isn't just a battle of brute strength and that Hela has many other advantages in this fight. Hell, even if it was just a battle of brute strength, I still think that Hela is just as, if not slightly stronger than Thanos from the evidence that we've seen.

One massive advantage that Hela has over Thanos is speed, she's much smaller and lither than him (whilst also being more durable) and she can move at lightning quick speeds, just look at how she defeated an entire army single-handedly and how quickly and superhumanly she moved in that battle, taking the soldiers out easily one by one. Thanos doesn't seem to be able to move anywhere nearly as quickly as that and he also can't seemingly defy the laws of gravity like she can.

Secondly, as previously mentioned, Hela seems way more durable than Thanos. It may be very difficult to injure him but he can be injured, whereas if you injure Hela, she recovers extremely quickly and heals near enough immediately as seen in Ragnarok multiple times. Thor even stabbed her right through the belly with Gungnir (the spear of Odin) and the wound healed immediately and she carried on fighting as if nothing had happened. So the only way that Thanos could take her out quickly would be to take her head off (I don't see her healing from that somehow? ) or crush her body completely beyond healing which would be a Prime Surtur level feat indeed seeing as she's one of the strongest and toughest Asgardians that ever lived, otherwise whatever he does to injure her, she'll just heal immediately and come right back at him.

Thirdly, she can create up to hundreds of weapons spontaneously out of thin air. Come on! She wouldn't even give him a chance to get close to her with the stone, she'd float in mid air (to ensure that the stone couldn't obliterate her if Thanos touched it to the ground) and launch an entire arsenal of weaponry at him from afar (like she did against the Valkyries in the flashback in Ragnarok) and slice him to ribbons. The Valkyrior were some of the most elite soldiers of Asgard and she took them all out whilst grinning, showing that it wasn't even taking her any real effort. Yes, Thanos would be a heck of a lot stronger than the individual Valkyries, but surely taking on a huge team of them is comparable to taking on a super stong brute force like Thanos? Also, as well as weapons, she can also seemingly create giant structures out of thin air too, just like the huge mini-mountain like spikes that she rose out of the sea on to battle Prime Surtur. Seeing how massively tall Prime Surtur was, she must have been chucking skyscraper sized spikes at him to make him stumble slightly as he did in their final battle. If she did something of that level to the comparably tiny Thanos, she would crush him out of existence with ease.

Lastly, as already mentioned in this thread, Thanos may debatedly be more intelligent and cunning than Hela, but Hela is vastly more vicious and cruel. She knows and understands nothing else but war and death because that's all that Odin ever taught her, she was raised as an unstoppable weapon of war and conquest, nothing else. She doesn't have ideals and she doesn't know mercy like Thanos does. She wouldn't hesitate to take him out and in fact would love every second of it.

So yeah, Hela is the winner. t:

 

[Finarfiniel]

Thor was also limp, bleeding, and unable to protect himself or anyone when Thanos was done with him in their first encounter. So whatever damage Thanos did to him was significant. Granted we didn't see what happened, but point is he obviously is capable of dishing out punishment Thor cannot quickly bounce back from. So if Thor is our base line here, stands to reason Hela would suffer a similar issue.

Yes, but that's not a good comparison because Thor doesn't seem to have anywhere near the same level of durability that Hela does. Obviously, Thor is vastly more durable than even a peak level human being and is one of the most durable Asgardians ever, being Odin's second child, but the difference is that Hela can heal immediately while Thor can't. Like has already been pointed out in this thread, she got stabbed right through the chest and belly multiple times in Ragnarok (once by Thor wielding Gungnir) and it literally did nothing to stop her. The wound healed immediately and she carried on fighting like nothing had happened. So whatever 'punishment' Thanos deals out to her, it doesn't matter because unless he manages to take her head off or crush her beyond healing, she's going to heal, spring right back and keep on attacking him because she's pretty much nigh-invulnerable.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Let's not forget this key fact: with the power stone, Thanos can literally destroy Asgard. Didn't the one who beat her accomplish that same task?

Thanos wins

 

[Finarfiniel]

Let's not forget this key fact: with the power stone, Thanos can literally destroy Asgard. Didn't the one who beat her accomplish that same task?

Thanos wins

a) We don't even know that for a fact, Asgard clearly isn't like other planets, you can tell that immediately by the fact that it was flat and seemed to float in mid space, against all known laws of physics.
b) Who said this fight takes place on Asgard? That wasn't in the original post. If it does, then Hela would be at absolute peak strength and IMO, would slaughter Thanos before he even had a chance to use the stone, and if it doesn't then the previous rules apply.

Hela wins either way.

 

[Spider-Fan]

a) We don't even know that for a fact, Asgard clearly isn't like other planets, you can tell that immediately by the fact that it was flat and seemed to float in mid space, against all known laws of physics.
b) Who said this fight takes place on Asgard? That wasn't in the original post. If it does, then Hela would be at absolute peak strength and IMO, would slaughter Thanos before he even had a chance to use the stone, and if it doesn't then the previous rules apply.

Hela wins either way.

If he can destroy a planet, he can destroy Hela. But as for if it could destroy Asgard, what would prevent that? It can destroy a planet in seconds!!! Even if Asgard is stronger than a standard planet, it will still go down. I have observed nothing that says Asgard could survive being destroyed like that, but I have observed the power stone destroys planets with a touch.

 

[Thör-El]

Let's not forget this key fact: with the power stone, Thanos can literally destroy Asgard. Didn't the one who beat her accomplish that same task?

Thanos wins

Thanos best feat with the power stone is blowing up the Asgardian ship and Thor survived that explosion. The only character we know for sure can destroy planets with the power stone is a celestial.

Logically though, you're right, Ronan seemed to think he'd be able to destroy Xandar with the power gem and Thanos ought to be able to do way more than destroy a spaceship as well. But immediately resorting to a full force power stone attack is out of character for Thanos and even if he does, she's much faster and has a very good chance of taking him out before he can take her out.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Anyway, this should be a fair one on one fight and should be Thanos without any infinity stones against Hela. Using any infinity stones is cheating IMO, Hela didn't need any to be nearly unstoppable. She would destroy him whilst nonchalantly checking her nails if he didn't have any of the cheat stones.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thanos best feat with the power stone is blowing up the Asgardian ship and Thor survived that explosion. The only character we know for sure can destroy planets with the power stone is a celestial.

Logically though, you're right, Ronan seemed to think he'd be able to destroy Xandar with the power gem and Thanos ought to be able to do way more than destroy a spaceship as well. But immediately resorting to a full force power stone attack is out of character for Thanos and even if he does, she's much faster and has a very good chance of taking him out before he can take her out.

Thanos absolutely could have destroyed a planet if he wanted to. He just didn't want to. But the fact he COULD illustrates the stone's power. If he has to dig deep, he is smashing some moons and throwing them at her.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Thanos absolutely could have destroyed a planet if he wanted to. He just didn't want to. But the fact he COULD illustrates the stone's power. If he has to dig deep, he is smashing some moons and throwing them at her.

Which she'd likely just dodge easily because of her vast super speed, which again, Thanos doesn't have. Come on, if Iron Man can survive that, then Hela can.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that Hela would be completely powerless if Asgard was destroyed, which I disagree with. It wasn't the destruction of Asgard that killed Hela (if she's even actually dead, which right now we have no genuine evidence of), it was Surtur crushing her with his skyscraper sized sword that seemingly killed her. It was stated in Ragnarok that Thor's power is also tied to Asgard, but was he powerless in IW after the planet's destruction? Of course not, because he has his own innate power too, just as Hela would have. It's just that being on Asgard enhanced her power to the extent that she was virtually undefeatable, as Odin pointed out at the beginning. She wasn't on Asgard when she pulled off the huge power feat of destroying Mjolnir, was she? She already had incredible power, she just increased in power once she reached Asgard is all.

So by that logic, if Thanos took Asgard out with the power stone, it doesn't automatically mean that he could take Hela out too because she can seemingly levitate off the ground (as seen in her battle against the Valkyries where she's clearly floating in mid air) so she could potentially survive if she's not actually touching the ground when Asgard is obliterated by the stone. And anyway, wouldn't Thanos using the power stone to take out Asgard mean that he would also take himself out if he was standing on the planet at the time? I've never fully understood that.

So again, Hela could potentially win by default. Would she be able to survive floating around in space amongst the rubble of a ruined planet? Who knows, but Thanos would already be dead so it doesn't matter. And even if he wasn't, he'd also be floating around in space and he'd still have her and her hundreds of spontaneous weapons to contend with.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Which she'd likely just dodge easily because of her vast super speed, which again, Thanos doesn't have. Come on, if Iron Man can survive that, then Hela can.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that Hela would be completely powerless if Asgard was destroyed, which I disagree with. It wasn't the destruction of Asgard that killed Hela (if she's even actually dead, which right now we have no genuine evidence of), it was Surtur crushing her with his skyscraper sized sword that seemingly killed her. It was stated in Ragnarok that Thor's power is also tied to Asgard, but was he powerless in IW after the planet's destruction? Of course not, because he has his own innate power too, just as Hela would have. It's just that being on Asgard enhanced her power to the extent that she was virtually undefeatable, as Odin pointed out at the beginning. She wasn't on Asgard when she pulled off the huge power feat of destroying Mjolnir, was she? She already had incredible power, she just increased in power once she reached Asgard is all.

So by that logic, if Thanos took Asgard out with the power stone, it doesn't automatically mean that he could take Hela out too because she can seemingly levitate off the ground (as seen in her battle against the Valkyries where she's clearly floating in mid air) so she could potentially survive if she's not actually touching the ground when Asgard is obliterated by the stone. And anyway, wouldn't Thanos using the power stone to take out Asgard mean that he would also take himself out if he was standing on the planet at the time? I've never fully understood that.

So again, Hela could potentially win by default. Would she be able to survive floating around in space amongst the rubble of a ruined planet? Who knows, but Thanos would already be dead so it doesn't matter. And even if he wasn't, he'd also be floating around in space and he'd still have her and her hundreds of spontaneous weapons to contend with.

Who says Thanos would be dead? He moved pretty quickly in his fight against Hulk. He simply didn't have to do that when he had the stones on hand. I have no doubt he would be able to take her hand to hand. He also was not hesitating. Hulk only lived because of Heimdall.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Who says Thanos would be dead? He moved pretty quickly in his fight against Hulk. He simply didn't have to do that when he had the stones on hand. I have no doubt he would be able to take her hand to hand. He also was not hesitating. Hulk only lived because of Heimdall.

If you read my post properly, you'd see that I said if Thanos was dead. I explained that I'm not fully sure how the power stone works in that regard, how does the individual wielding the stone survive if they are also standing on the planet that is currently being obliterated? Does the stone somehow shield them from the destruction or something? I'm not sure if that's ever been addressed in any of the films.

Yeah, Thanos is probably pretty quick but he can't move in an utterly superhuman manner like Hela can, we've seen no evidence of that. Also, Hela could have taken on Hulk easily, otherwise why didn't they just sic Hulk on Hela in Ragnarok and been done with it instead of destroying the whole planet to take her down? Thor knew that Hela would have annihilated Hulk, which is why he didn't even bother trying it.

 

[Thör-El]

Thanos absolutely could have destroyed a planet if he wanted to. He just didn't want to. But the fact he COULD illustrates the stone's power. If he has to dig deep, he is smashing some moons and throwing them at her.

#1) Thanos had four power stones when he was throwing moons around so that feat's out.
#2) I agree Thanos was likely capable of doing far more with the power stone though, I doubt he's above a Celestial but I don't doubt he can hurt Hela with it which is the only thing that matters for this fight. The question is would he use it and if so how quickly? Will he immediately realise Hela has him outclassed in skill/physicals and resort to his nuclear option? If so will he be able to hit her before she takes him out? I'm not convinced.

I have no doubt he would be able to take her hand to hand.

Based on what? Hype/comics?

Like I said above, in the MCU she has him outclassed in speed, skill and durability feats and her strength feats are at the very least in the same league. And that's before she starts conjuring necroswords/skyscraper sized spikes.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I love me some Hela, but Thanos with the power stones takes this.

 

[jaqua99]

Skill likely goes to Hela. Thanos trained Gamora, the deadliest woman in the galaxy. Thanos stomped Hulk with skill. He also has never lost in hand to hand combat, which says something. The advantage Hela has here isn't enough to make a difference imo.

She has an athletic and speed edge though. And versatility, and practical use in power.

Thanos has a strength advantage.

Durability edge goes to Thanos by a significant margine. Thor's big lightning blast incapacitated Hela for a few minutes. Thanos literally no sold a lightning blast from a (literally) bloodlust, out for kill Thor, and we saw how she was durable enough to withstand physical hits from Thor, the lightning blast did have a brief impact. Is Hela's magic swords enough to KO someone as durable as her? Much less way more durable than her in Thanos? That's tough to answer.

This is another fight that goes back and forth for a while, with a hit count in favor of 2-1 Hela. She will be more overwhelmed while outskilling Thanos, who more or less will take everything she has to throw. Eventually it'll turn into a slugfest and Thanos will land a punch that will open her up to a series of combos before getting an advantage, and taking control of the fight. He wins in a good fight.


Oh wait, power gem only?

First of all, we all realize Thanos vs Hulk was base Thanos, right? Didnt use the gem and there is no evidence or feats to suggest it provides a physical stat boost.

So Thanos with the power stone here, a weapon that could have crushed Thor's skull easily, could destroy a world, and shoot energy blasts? Thanos with the power stone wins quickly. No stone and its a fight.

How does anyone KO Thanos though?

 

[jaqua99]

#1) Thanos had four power stones when he was throwing moons around so that feat's out.
#2) I agree Thanos was likely capable of doing far more with the power stone though, I doubt he's above a Celestial but I don't doubt he can hurt Hela with it which is the only thing that matters for this fight. The question is would he use it and if so how quickly? Will he immediately realise Hela has him outclassed in skill/physicals and resort to his nuclear option? If so will he be able to hit her before she takes him out? I'm not convinced.



Based on what? Hype/comics?

Like I said above, in the MCU she has him outclassed in speed, skill and durability feats and her strength feats are at the very least in the same league. And that's before she starts conjuring necroswords/skyscraper sized spikes.

Thanos has a durability edge for sure. They each have a showing against the same attack. He also used the power stone to destroy a moon. You can see the blast of the stone (purple) wash over the moon and crumble it. It is blatantly the energy from the power stone that destroys it..so that feat isn't out. He pulls it with the space stone, but crushes it the the power stone.

He absolutely beats Hela with the power stone. Base level is more of a fight.

Thanos' piercing durability isn't an issue. Drax stabbed him and didn't pierce his skin. Stormbreaker was created to destroy Thanos. Just because a plot MagGuffin weapon pierced him, doesn't mean Hela's swords can, especially considering he was resistive to Drax stabbing him. Pretty sure his blade bent on his skin. So Thanos' piercing durability is impossible to quantify

 

[BigThor]

Anyway, this should be a fair one on one fight and should be Thanos without any infinity stones against Hela. Using any infinity stones is cheating IMO, Hela didn't need any to be nearly unstoppable. She would destroy him whilst nonchalantly checking her nails if he didn't have any of the cheat stones.

I agree, this was supposed to be at first until we realized Thanos had ZERO onscreen feats without an Infinity Stone.

So we couldn't make a battle with Thanos without any stones because we've never seen him fight without any onscreen.

 

[jaqua99]

I agree, this is what is what supposed to be at first until we realized Thanos had ZERO onscreen feats without an Infinity Stone.

So we couldn't make a battle with Thanos without any stones because he's never seen him fight without any onscreen.

The Hulk fight is one. He didnt use it. There's no feats to suggest infinity stones provide a physical stat boost, so they don't, for now.

 

[BigThor]

The Hulk fight is one. He didnt use it. There's no feats to suggest infinity stones provide a physical stat boost, so they don't, for now.

Most people seem to think they do, they usually point to Ronan in GOTG 1 as an example idk about that one though it wasn't very clear imo. Logically though it IS the Power Stone so it would make sense for it to increase your physical strength.

However the Reality Stone most definitely gave Malekith a HUGE stat boost, that was undeniable.